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    Yoga is no Yoke

    The Catholic Encyclopedia will tell you different but you can see in just this little bit of just one discipline of Yoga (There are numerous) that it is important to get past being programmed and memorizing and otherwise catering to ego.

    The Yoga Sutras of Patanjali -- Chapter Two -- Sadhana Pada (The Chapter on Effective Practices)

    Synopsis: Sadhana means spiritual practice. Yoga sadhana is something a yogi "does" in order to move from a pre-existing disconnected, fragmented, and dispirited way of life, while shifting into making the connections with the integral whole where one's innate living spirit is given wings. Here we learn experientially through practice, versus by following dictums, memorizing politically correct beliefs, through proven theories (pramana), inference, conceptualization (vikalpa), or any of the other vrtti. Practice, practice. practice, is the mantra here. Authentic yoga is not for the academic observer, but for the yoga practitioner. Mountain yogis have little need of books because they have in their presence a living oral and transverbal tradition. However modern man lives in a very ego driven materialistic setting (Kali Yuga) and hence the yogic practices have to relate to that situation in order to be relevant and useful. It is key not to attempt to place yoga within the Western or modern context (as it will never fit because the whole is much larger than its fragmented parts), but rather to place the modern context within the context of yoga.

    Although Patanjali gave many practices (sadhana) as remedies (pratishedha) for that situation of spiritual estrangement in Pada I (such as vairagya, nirodha, virama-pratyaya, isvara pranidhana, dhyana, eka-tattvabhyasa, japa, shradda, virya, prajna, maitri, karuna, upeksanam, mudita, bhava, and especially rtam prajna (the self arising truth bearing seed which is the practice of no practice), it is here in Pada II, that Patanjali focuses upon practices in a more concrete and focused way. Practice is thus the way we learn through self discovery in functional yoga which is different from the methodology of philosophy, logic, religion, or any "ism".

    Since the need for practice assumes a pre-existing disconnection (from samadhi), hence remedies (pratishedha) are presented as sadhana (practices), eventually going beyond remedies to acknowledging and directly merging with our innate evolutionary power. Where Pada I (Samadhi Pada) outlined the contextual framework of the disconnection or spiritual malaise and its general resolution in deep samadhi; here, Pada II, acts as a continuation of the outline sketched in Pada I, where now Patanjali focuses upon the basic and auxiliary practices as remedies and what the remedies actually remediate (kleshas and karma).

    If we keep our focus in our yoga practice keeps the integrity of a living spirit -- the innate primordial consciousness which is linked via the innate evolutionary power which underlies all of life, then the practice thus becomes both devotional and revelatory -- self liberating and self motivating. Then sadhana becomes a practice of bringing more clarity, truth, integrity, heart consciousness, light, joy, and love into all facets of our lives. As such it has its own innate and profound momentum and enthusiasm as it aligns itself with the universe and universal power (shakti). As such authentic yoga sadhana has nothing to do with externally imposed discipline, hard work, force, comparative power over others, or an individual/selfish willfulness. That way it is not willful nor mechanical in the ordinary sense, because the authentic goal of yoga is to align the individual will with the universal will and power, to enter into a profound harmony, balance, and integral alignment of the power of consciousness because the yoga practitioner gradually ceases identifying with only the body or as a separate egoic/limited "self". Rather the sadhak (practitioner) no longer lives in an estranged "world" of being apart from nature, but rather as a vital part of nature and its beginningless source (creation) being consciously united. Thus yoga (as this integrative process), is a process of surrendering to a very large all encompassing intelligent sacred dynamic. Simultaneously, one surrenders the tendency to disintegrate, to isolate, and become apart from it. Just to say a mechanical and willful approach is a common trap that has seduced many. It can be avoided through balancing it with bhakti (its devotional elements). Human beings have a natural innate impetus toward communion/union and integrity, but it has become beaten out of many and perverted by negative conditioning. It is that negative conditioning that authentic yogic practice destroys.

    Integrity is the kind of ultimate completion felt as santosha (sense of fulfillment, completion, and peace) that authentic yoga affords in the beginning, the middle and the end. That instruction as the innate presence of eternal Now awareness which we can focus upon now and always. That is the gift we give to ourselves via yoga. In the end -- when re-union consciously is achieved in samadhi we surrender the practice itself, because there is no need for it. May your sadhana be graced with love, peace, wisdom, light, and joy and all encompassing unbounded completion..

    Brief Synopsis of Sadhana Pada

    Sadhana Pada Patanjali then progresses from the overall context of yoga delineated in Pada I, to presenting the various techniques and practices of yoga (sadhana), starting off with Kriya Yoga (pre-requisite purification) activities (tapas, swadhyaya, and isvara pranidhana). These three are often greatly misinterpreted by intellectuals, academicians, and religionists who look at them from the outside. We will point out the common mistakes of such coarse misinterpretations.

    Sutras II.1-2 tell us that kriya yoga attenuates the kleshas (obstructions/hindrances to free spiritual flow) and hence samadhi is brought forward in that way.

    Sutras II.3-9 proceeds with more detailed descriptions of the kleshas, karma, vrtti, and thus how suffering/distress (duhkha) arises. This outlines the vast depth of yoga psycho-pathology.

    Sutras II.10-11 describes how to eliminate the kleshas and karma in general via pratiprasava and meditation (dhyana),.

    Sutras II 12-16 describes the cause and origins of the kleshas and how the relationships between the kleshas, karma, and vrtti.

    Sutras II.17-26 describes how the kleshas and suffering are maintained via samyoga (false identification), confusion (avidya), and eventually how they are destroyed through an informed conscious yoga practice that both heightens and utilizes viveka (powers of differentiation). This ends the psychopathology sections of how karma, klesha, citta-vrtti, delusion, fear, craving, hatred, ego, and delusion interact to create suffering.

    Viveka is presented as a gradual process of emptying the contents of the mind from frozen fixations of stagnant citta-vrtti associations with gross and vague ordinary consciousness to an awareness of a profound integral mutuality which underlies the entire universe in its true holographic arrangement. This is accomplished through seven levels of practices which wake us up -- opening up the inner organ of clear vision leading to samadhi (the eighth limb of ashtanga yoga). With that process in mind, the practice of viveka is introduced, which potentiates and extends prajna (intrinsic wisdom) by both removing the two extremes of false identification where the conflation that is called samyoga, which produces false identification and bondage."

    In Autobiography of a Yogi and The Science of Religion you can learn all you need to know about positive-thinking. If you can find the little blue books put out by the Masonic Society of Chicago in the very early 1900s that are written by Yogi Ramacharaka aka William Walker Atkinson make sure you read them.

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    Dr. Robins’ observations are beyond mere intuition, they include an attunement with what Bucky Fuller called Synergistics; there is so much for mankind and modern science to learn about what the shamans and/or Druids knew and created. His book titled The Secret Language of Stone is important reading for anyone pretending to understand the megaliths or Pyramids. We are all lulled into a sense of security when we proclaim our science or the five senses provide the fullest inspection available. It is all so wrapped up in the psychology of ego. There was a Harvard study that concluded we only get one third of our wisdom or knowledge through linear logical processes, some years ago. I will return again and again to the eloquence of this MAN, so ‘open’, that he can see the chasm between the myths of science and the reality of legend. Hopefully we will collectively enable each other to join him across the bridge that fords this chasm. We can overthrow the ‘Toilet Philosophy’.

    Throughout our total cultural history man has sought to order and make sense out of the chaos that creative integration of energy and consciousness allows. How many times has some small magic or replicability encouraged even the wisest adepts among us to imagine they can control nature? This nature that the ancients knew was God is a powerful and deeply connected force throughout the universe according to the boiled down interpretation of all the things man calls religion or cults. Mircae Eliade is a great scholar who knows all religions and systems on the face of the earth as well as any other soul hereon. He has written numerous books on the subject and like most attendees of the Eranos Conferences I respect him a great deal. Here is a brief insight comparing two of the most creative and adept ways that man has yet developed.

    “…both Tantrist and alchemist strive to dominate ‘matter’. They do not withdraw from the world as do the ascetic and metaphysician, but dream of conquering it and changing its ontological regime. In short, there is good ground for seeing in the tantric ‘s‚dhana’, and in the work of the alchemist, parallel efforts to free themselves from the laws of Time, to ‘decondition’ their existence and gain absolute freedom.

    The transmutation of metals may be ranged among those ‘freedoms’ which the alchemist succeeds in enjoying: he intervenes actively in the processes of Nature (‘prakrti’) and in a sense it could be said that he collaborates in its ‘redemption’. (Biblio: This term has not, of course, the same significance as it has in Christian theology.)” (1)

    Roger Bacon was a good alchemist and monk who spent some time in a dungeon for his efforts to bring Christianity out of the Dark Ages and back to Nature (‘prakrti’). He is like a lot of adepts in that he chose to dare and be courageous enough to risk his life for the cause of human emancipation. It is known to them all that they could join the paradigm and do very well, if they keep their mouths shut. Ignorance after all, may be bliss – but as the Greek sage did say, it is not blissful to be ignorant. The fullness of bliss comes most when God is harmonizing and things fit the Divine Purpose. That is a very biased way of saying what creative utilization and intelligent design does contemplate, but it is good enough to describe what I hope can occur.

    It appears to stupid and simple ‘me’, that the secrets of science are worth sharing and enabling all mankind with. Through open examination rather than pedagogical pedantry of proselytes, the proletariat might well understand and seek fairness from the priesthoods of greed and power. Time may not be on our side but we can create amazing things if we can garner enough energy and spirit to the common cause of all men in Brotherhood. With just a few trusted people who have the ear of the populace a new ethic could quickly evolve or return. The possibility presented through honesty and a willingness to nurture and negotiate has been the realm of women and thus they became the designated scapegoats of the ‘Original Sin’. Our soul innately knows the truth of Brotherhood and the appeals to ego are not more powerful than a soul allowed to speak to the mind, without interpreters who sell fear and salvation.

    The soul is very connected to the harmonic interplay of all energy and the earth has vectors and valences as well as vortices of energy. The Gaian scientists like Lovelock were on the right track but he was usurped and marginalization of his concepts resulted. There is a great deal of research ongoing in the realms and chasms Dr. Robins addressed and he may be quite correct to have used the word SECRET in the title of his book.

    Some people think things are different now, and that there is a move towards ecumenicism such as the Iesa or Iesus concept wanted in Brotherhood. Here we see the nature of that so-called ecumenicism today.

    “I was delighted to hear; recently, that a few hundred representatives of different faiths met during a special United Nations forum in New York called the ‘Millennium Peace Summit.’ Pleading to stop violence in the name of religion and promote tolerance was one of the main messages that came out of the summit. Great; that effort at unified spirituality is what we need in order to promote world peace.

    But only a few days later, the Vatican through its Doctrine of the Faith Office (the CDF), which not so long ago was named the Office of the Inquisition, issued a document (Dominus Iesus) announcing that not all religions, including other Christian denominations, are equal and that only the Roman Catholic Church is the proper church. One step forward, two steps back. Go figure.” (2)


    1) The Forge and the Crucible, by Mircae Eliade, Univ. of Chicago Press, 1956 by Flammarion, 1978 by Eliade, 2nd Edition, pg.129.
    2) Shortcut to Spirituality, mastering the art of inner peace, by Bob Gottfried, Ph. D., Deeper Dimension Publishing, North York, Ontario, Canada, 2004, pg. 43.
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    Bhakti Yoga and Tantra use sexual practices as part of their template to be one with (at-one-ment) "All that is" - within universe. Agni or Fire Yoga uses intellectual abandonment or openness put back through serious contemplation and there are many other schools or names of Yoga using some or both of these techniques.

    And one of the places energy stores information is the soul according to research on the fruit fly recounted in this excerpt from a good book. But it is also in our genes which the Head of the Human Genome project (Dr. Collins) said when he said we have a history book in our genes.

    Recent research on our so-called junk DNA shows how electrical or magnetic fields variable and dynamic allow great attunement; and over time I believe, genetic information transfer. You could say the Earth Energy Grid and alchemical forms like the oroborous (the serpent with it's tail, seen by one researcher in this book and partial segment from this link) or caduceus seen all over the world in symbols is mirrored in our genes. Which came first? Did our thought impact our body just as we see in positive thinking and healing? Was it part of evolution? Some people are saying it is proof of God. Heaven may be within as Pope John Paul II said in 1999 and many mystics have said throughout written history and before. This book has Heaven in the title and draws all constructs from every religion into it - fairly and ecumenically. Will science teach us how to live in Brotherhood? No? This knowledge is ancient and manipulated throughout the ages, I say.

    You might disagree and say yoga, astrology and other uses of it have never been this exact - and it may be true we have some proof here that is new but the old disciplines used it better than we are - if you consider what Futurescape demonstrates we are about to do in manipulation of the World Mind by making people into tools to soulfully achieve a 'Matrix' - the movie.

    If our junk DNA has Aramaic in it as one of our contributors says a linguist at Robert Jones University says then this genetic study by gays could be true.

    A modern scholar by the name of Daniel Matt provides us with this description of the process. There are forms of meditation in every culture and concept of man and his relationship with the soul. Many of them have little to do with symbols or intellectual processes such as Mr. Matt provides in what follows. This particular ritual is contentious to some because it mentions the feminine aspect that is incorporated into the ancient knowledge of the Sphinx and was obliterated for many millennia by the Jehovah promoters who wanted men to dominate. The Shekhinah were once female goddesses in the Judaic religious complex. Our 'feminine' soul, can open doors to major insights beyond the intellectual or social conventions.


    PREPARE to meet your God. Prepare to devote your heart. Purify your body and select a special place where no one else in the world can hear your voice. Be totally alone. Sit in one spot in the room or the loft, and do not reveal your secret to anyone. If you can, do this by day, even for a little while, but the best way is to do it at night {Melatonin production increases at night-thus 'night-worker' is the meaning of melatonin.}. As you prepare to speak with your Creator, to seek the revelation of his power, be careful to empty your mind of all mundane vanities. Wrap yourself in your 'tallit' and put 'tefillin' on your head so that you will be filled with the awe of Shekhinah, who is with you at this moment. Wear clean garments, all white if you can. All this helps immensely in focussing your awe and love. If it is night, light many candles until your eyes shine brightly.

    Then take hold of ink, pen and tablet. Realize that you are about to serve your God in joy. Begin to combine letters, a few or many, permuting and revolving them {This would be good training for people early in life and getting to know new languages.} rapidly until your mind warms up. Delight in how they move and in what you generate by revolving them. When you feel within that your mind is very, very warm from combining the letters and that through the combination you understand new things that you have not attained by human tradition nor discovered on your own through mental reflection, then you are ready to receive the abundant flow, and the abundance flows upon you, arousing you again and again.

    Now turn your thoughts to visualizing the Name and its supernal angels, imagining them as if they were human beings standing or sitting around you, with you in the middle like a messenger about to be sent on a royal mission, waiting to hear about it from their lips, either from the king himself or from one of his ministers. Having imagined {N.B.} this vividly, prepare your mind and heart to understand the many things about to be conveyed to you by the letters being contemplated within you. Meditate on them as a whole and in all their detail, like one to whom a parable, a riddle, or a dream is being told, or like one perusing a book of wisdom, pondering a passage beyond his grasp. Interpret what you hear in an uplifting manner, approximating it as best you can {Chant}. Based on what you understand of it, evaluate yourself and others. All this will happen after you fling the tablet from your hands and the pen from your fingers, or after they fall by themselves due to the intensity of your thoughts.

    Realize that the stronger the mental flow, the weaker become your limbs and organs. Your entire body will begin to tremble violently. You will think that you are about to die because your soul, overjoyed at what she {N.B.} has attained, will depart from your body. Consciously choose death over life, knowing that such death affects only the body and that thereby the soul lives eternally. Then you will know that you are capable of receiving the flow. If you then wish to honor the glorious NAME by serving it with the life of body and soul, hide your face, fear to gaze at God, and come no closer, like Moses at the burning bush. Return to the physical dimension, rise, eat and drink a little, inhale a fragrant aroma. Return your spirit to its sheath until another time. Rejoice in what you have, and know that God loves you.” (1)

    Visualizing the colours of the light and breathing from Yogic disciplines is a much more commonly thought of meditation. There are as many ways to meditate as there are trees in the forest. Each one is different if only by the fact of each person being different.
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    Plato observed that the advent of an alphabet making writing efficient for average people actually lead to less knowledge or disciplined communication. We need not blame the Phoenicians for this because people really could benefit from writing.

    You might practice yoga with a mantra usually starting out with OM MANI PADME HUM until you alter it to a more personal meaning.

    John Locke and many other scientists during the time when man thought there was some reality in prejudices like The Scale of Nature observed that language was a pre-requisite for consciousness. Although there is some truth in his observations which include the Tabula Rasa, this is pure hogwash and perhaps even worse than that. He may well have sought to make people feel inferior just as that Scale of Nature was designed to do to so many non-Europeans.

    Common sense is a most uncommon thing it appears. We still have many people living under the pall of the Bible Narrative and other 'absolute religions' (Fukayama and social engineers know how to use) which have whole histories of deceit woven into their dogma and the laws that form the structure of our society. I am all for the Kat-ma concept of Karma which would have these social engineers meet their maker and put an end to that Dog-ma. It is unfortunate that scholars who are interested in making a living often have to go along with things they know are only half true at best. It is more unfortunate that good money can be made debunking real scholarship and exploration by the likes of Barraclough Fell and other Epigraphists. Please take a look into Rob Gombach of Utah State University as he says Fell was only a hobbyist.

    The treatment of the concept of OM by the Catholic Encyclopedia is a fine example of what is wrong with our society I think. Here is a little of what they say to start our voyage beyond conventional thinking. Om is the sacred syllable of Hinduism used by all schools in their meditation system. It expresses the 'world-soul' concept of Brahman. It is pronounced at the beginning of the recitation of the 'mantras'. In practice, this concept is expressed in Hindu teaching as:

    "'All humanity converging at the foot of that sacred place where is set the symbol that is no symbol, the name that is beyond all sound.' In the system of practices that make up Hinduism, there is the possibility of introducing this concept through an intensified psychic response or through practices that are diabolic {What?! This is certainly a great expression of the Pope's ecumenical interests. This mentions nothing about it being like the Holy Spirit or what physicists say which I relate to the Logos. It is racial in the level of its prejudice and it is the kind of thing one should expect from 'Crusaders' with no soul.}. Here there is real danger, for this concept permits one to enter into a simple, self-delusive attitude {Rather than one created by the priests of this group of 'churchians' who do not follow the 'living father within' that Jesus taught.} that misleads while at the same time acts to shut out all other avenues of Christian response. Its danger is in the blandishment whereby a Universal Religion (the core of Karma or the at-onement of divine assumption of all into one) precludes sin since there is no one to sin against. Thus it has often been cryptically likened to the evolutionary religious concepts advanced by Teilhard de Chardin {Who almost was ex-communicated and is a great ecumenicist.}, namely, the 'omega' concept: 'The revealed Christ is identical with omega. This christology of Chardin, an evolutionary complex, is stated in like manner: 'Man bears along with him the world of beings inferior to God.' (Letter 8/7/23 in 'Letters to Leontine Zanta.') (See Omega Point: Teilhardism.)" (1)

    The Homeric scholars have found some things to prove the myth was not all mere fiction and this continues to the present in even more fascinating ways due to satellite technology as well as a weakening grip of Biblical intrigues or religious suppression. In the final analysis it is my sincere hope that people will become more spiritual and able to appreciate their religious icons were far more than the interpreters who used their image and good works. I am of the belief that when Homer wrote about 'the underworld' he was writing about North America and I know for certain that these people knew the earth was a sphere and had means to map and travel throughout the whole world since long before Homer. Much of knowledge started with observing the stars in world adventures or travels and man has always been adventurous. Here is the other 'Om' written as Ogham or Ogam.

    "'While some marks may be related to Ogam, we are skeptical of translations because the perception of the marks on the rock, often worn or damaged, is subject to considerable variability from one observer to the next.'

    No nation has a monopoly on illegibility, and the authors could profitably have consulted any edition of any ancient work, at the bottom of any page (where the variant readings are listed); there they would find subjectivity galore, and accepted as a matter of course. In any case, they should keep mum; some people have the same complaints about standing stones and alignments." (2)
    The cover-up of Ogham and all of its branches of knowledge may have started before Rome and there certainly was a lot of plagiarization or Hellenizing going on as new leaders usurped the history, technology and science of the Kelts or 'keltoi' and 'Ogygia', as the Greek (Danaus) called them. Ogygia in itself means 'ancient ones' and Plutarch has a map identifying Iceland as Ogygia but that does not mean it was anything more than an ancient Thulean outpost.

    Not long ago the Catholic Church had a fit of honesty and considered removing St. Patrick as a Saint. They knew all along that it was a near total fiction replete with removing snakes that had never been there in recorded or remembered history. They knew he had been sent there to make deals and re-write Scriptures or destroy things which would show the real roots of their faith and culture. He personally destroyed over 150 hand drawn books and we have proof of his editing of the Senchus Mor which had been a fantastic book with numerous volumes of law and culture. There are only a few glosses with obvious re-writes remaining. But the enslaved people of Ireland who have had their true history destroyed or hidden from them were all upset to find their Patron Saint might be a saint no more.

    Uncial and Insular are languages that were developed in Irish language centers for writing the Scriptures (Uncial) and what later became English (Insular). Ogham was around a long time before these more sophisticated alphabets as any person with no grasp of linguistics can easily see and yet Britannica and others maintain the cover up to this day. Here is a little confirmation that St. Patrick was part of a major effort to bring certain people into the fold and develop schools to teach what the Druids like Columcille (later St. Columba) had learned at real centers of learning like the Isle of Druids or Iona. This is taken from the Annals of Ulster. This is a record of just one source in just one year (439). Bishops gathering in one place like this is not common as I understand it but I may be wrong.

    "Secundinus, Auxilius and Isserninus, themselves also bishops, are sent to Ireland to assist Patrick." And there is also an entry that has Patrick being confirmed as a bishop a couple of years later. So he clearly was not the top person or grand Pooh-Bah of the hegemony that was there in the first place. Rome was always looking to get more local 'fronts' for their deals so that the average person would not clue in to what was really going on. Here is that entry from year 441. "Bishop Patrick was approved in the Catholic faith."

    Of course I could be cute and suggest he had not even been Catholic before this but I frankly don't think that would be unusual either. Augustine is a study in greed and need for power too. He had been a heretical Manichean before he sold out.

    In the apologetic words of the current Pope whose heritage includes the 'Holy' (?) Emperors of this heinous group of 'churchians' he asks for 'forgiveness and renewal' as he admits to dastardly deeds of the Crusades, Flagellants, and Inquisitors. But is there a day care center in the Vatican? How about a female priest or God forbid, a Bishop? Most of humanity doesn't even know what a Druid or 'proto-Celt' is or was. There is an old saying 'if you want to know what a Druid knows, ask a wild bee.' The bee was important to the Phocaeans, Napoleon and now the Mormons. Symbols (like the bee) communicate, letters are symbols, language or communication is more than the intellectual sum of its letters or words. The heart and soul make the beauty of true wisdom comprehensible to far greater depths than the intellect can imagine. However there are many top scholars talking about memes today or NLP - they get it, and some abuse it.

    How did we sink so low as to barter the lives of our mothers and 'sisters'?
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    "Christianity posits the realization of human freedom not here on earth but only in the Kingdom of Heaven." (1) Fukayama tells us, and it seems to me he is interpreting what the dogma says; even though it fits his own slave and master concept taken by his evil predecessors. Right as he may be about Christianity, he is not right about the teaching of Jesus. Well, what good is there in such a belief system? It encourages no growth or potential for freedom while you are alive. It gives no insight to actual knowing of what exists hereafter, except through faith in someone telling you what is right. How can anyone accept such utter hogwash? Are we to be enslaved to such a cosmogony while alive? God grows too, and he would be dead if he didn't. All things around us in nature say change is a good thing. In different parts of universe we know time is different according to Sir Martin Rees before he saw the Hubble photos at the end of 1999. It is called an Event Horizon and a movie with Samuel Jackson by that name was made.

    Then he went real far out on the limb and wrote other universes have our exact duplicate - a doppelganger. So what you 'Think' is already in contact, potentially folding space with that exact other point. That is what a worm hole needs to become real - and maybe all we have to do is THINK. Thereby you get what Eastern Mystics like Vivekananda have said they do - and the source of more than mere astral travel and action-at-a-distance. Remember the Beatles tune born of the relationship they had with the fake yogi Maharishi, everything is "all right tonight on Venus and Mars". If there is any truth to this we have an explanation for alien CONTACT and visions thereof beyond what Persinger and others are doing with machines. We might be able to explain angels and demons this way too.

    Why would a 'social engineer' like Fukayama tell us that Christianity is the 'absolute religion'? Is this more expert inducement to be a slave? Methinks there is something rotten afoot, and not just in Denmark. His knowledge of early religions is not displayed in his book. I hope to show all religions have used knowledge that when others employ it they call it occult or some other derogatory name. I will have to show certain people and families in corporate or business life are also involved in the religions to the point of controlling them.

    His judgement seems uneducated and unwise to me. His good versus evil Nietzschean dialogue is not aware of the truth plainly available in the words of the Britannica in reference to Zoroaster. They say this good versus evil thing of Christianity with a battle being won by good is there 500 years earlier in Zoroastrianism. In truth it was there in Egypt's Abraxas[/U], and in the Keltic Creed and many other places. There is no merit in such assertions and the issuance of them from the hegemony makes me Blanche and sputter, at times. How can you say man is free only in heaven or the hereafter and hope to build positive models of behaviour? This is especially true when you can buy 'special dispensations' or simply confess in order to gain forgiveness. This is the kind of religion the Mafia would love! The cover of Cahill's book The Gifts of the Jews shows all the councils of the Christians are behind another 'Bible Narrative'. Please question such authoritarian assurances and employ your own soulful sensibilities. When you are troubled do not desist, but rather persevere and learn to see the Peace they seek to destroy or hide from you. Shalom!

    Vivekananda, Swami Chinmayananda or lesser gurus are not the only adepts who teach self-mastery and how the mind or brain experiences the world around us. Rishis or Mahatmas are not regarded as occultists and yet the techniques they use have been shared for thousands of years by people throughout the world. Part of the whole issue of human cultural development is the Flat Earth fiction that continues to make people think that one point of view is better than some other point of view. It is as if the people of Europe think that their own leaders did not send their best students to get the best education or import the teachers who already had learned Tantra, and the Therapeutae's arts derived from Druidism and shamanism or the Magian arts. At some level you can find adepts in the most orthodox religions. The Sufis of Islam or the Carmelites and Santerians of Catholicism come to mind but there are many mystical or occult sects in Buddhism.

    "The universe is a self-organizing system engaged in the discovery and realization of its possibilities through a continuing process of transcendence towards ever higher levels of order and self-definition. Modern science has confirmed the ancient Hindu belief that all matter exists as a continuing dance of flowing energies. Yet matter is somehow able to maintain the integrity of its boundaries and internal structures in the midst of apparent disorder.

    Similarly the cells of a living organism, which are in a constant state of energy flux, maintain their individual integrity while functioning coherently as parts of larger wholes. This ability implies some form of self-knowledge in both inert matter and living organisms at each level of organization. Intelligence and consciousness may take many forms and are in some way pervasive even in matter. What we know of life may not be an accident of creation but rather integral to it, an attractor that shapes the creative unfolding of the cosmos.

    To the extent that these premises are true, they suggest we have scarcely begun to imagine, much less experience, the possibilities of our own capacity for intelligent self-aware living. Nor have we tested our potentials for self-directed cooperation as a foundation of modern social organization. Evolution, although it involves competitive struggles, violence and death, also involves love, nurturance, rebirth and regeneration-and is a fundamentally cooperative and intelligent enterprise.

    There is substantial evidence that it is entirely natural for healthy humans to live fully and mindfully in service to the unfolding capacities of self, community, and the planet. Yet in our forgetfulness, we have come to doubt this aspect of our own being. Nurturing the creative development of our capacities for mindful living should be a primary function of the institutions of civilized societies. It is time that we awaken from our forgetfulness and assume conscious responsibility for reshaping our institutions to this end. Written by David C. Korten in the prologue of "The Post-Corporate World" Life after capitalism" (2)

    There are many people who follow greatness or need to be lead and we must investigate any who tell us about great things they have experienced. This can be very difficult because what works for one person will not work for another person for reasons of their differentness as well as the constant availability of knowledge and 'direct cognition' or what I call tap-ins. I provide a comment from one of Gurdjieff's students who saw others finding illumination in a way he personally found silly. This is an excerpt from William Welch M. D.'s remembrances of this great man who saw most humans could not think or even feel their way to actual wisdom. Gurdjieff's structured dance allowed certain parts of the mind to integrate and then connect without any obstruction from the programming and fears of their lives. This is my personal opinion that you might not agree with too. This excerpt is in relation to the ritual of bathing and saunas that Gurdjieff did while in New York shortly before he passed away.

    "I was astounded to read some years later that among the bemused adepts who participated in this droll ritual, one believed himself to have been initiated into some special level of illumination in the course of his gradual, and ultimately total, immersion. I am afraid my only illumination derived from the shuddering chill to which I never became wholly acclimated, as my fundament and its anterior appendages were finally plunged into the icy water." (3)

    The idea that a fully diluted homeopathic tincture might heal through some imprint left by Cyanide found in peach pits or laetrile is just one of the conundrums that science still struggles to face. But the fact is cyanide kills cells and results have been achieved by some people who might have attuned themselves with that small amount of Cyanide that Japanese researchers found in peach pits after the US researchers said there was no possible agent that could kill cancer cells in peach pits. The implications of this extend to genetic rituals that modern science cannot see the effects of, and other energy lattice memory or Intelligence. One of my correspondents is a genetic researcher at a university in the Midwestern United States and we both have found artifacts that indicate the use of harmonic attunement with matter in rocks and we are open to this same method being used in affecting the DNA of animal life including humans.
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    Do you think that modern humans are as good as shamans from over a hundred thousand years ago who lived in nature and attuned with it far more than we do?

    The following quote from the above link would seem to provide a possible genetic science might have developed through sex of a spiritually attuned people (Bhakti or Nyaya etc.).

    "The first study that used gene expression profiles to probe the effects of meditative practices was small but in-depth. The neutrophils (one kind of white blood cells) of 5 Asian Qigong practitioners were compared with 6 healthy Asian controls [3]. The Qigong group had practiced for at least a year consisting of a cognitive component in addition to exercise that lasted 1 to 2 h daily. Gene expression profiles were examined with microarrays for about 12 000 genes. Among them 250 genes were consistently different between the Qigong and the control groups with 132 down-regulated and 118 up regulated. Among the differentially expressed genes, the down-regulated include genes related to the ubiquitin degradation pathway (for breaking down proteins), as well as genes encoding ribosomal proteins. Cellular stress response genes were generally down regulated in Qigong practitioners compared with controls, but the expression of two heat shock proteins were increased. Expression of genes related to immunity was also increased in the Qigong groups, such as interferon gamma (IFN-g) and IFN-related and IFN-regulated genes (involved in fighting viral infections). In an in vitro assay, the neutrophils from Qigong practitioners had increased bacteriocidal activity. Furthermore, the lifespan of normal neutrophils was increased while that of inflammatory neutrophils was decreased through apoptosis.

    A second study was particularly interesting. It evaluated gene expression changes triggered by the ‘relaxation response’ (RR), characterized by decreased oxygen consumption, increased exhaled nitric oxide and reduced psychological distress [4]. The practices were quite diverse, ranging from vipassana or insight meditation, mantra meditation, and transcendental meditation, to breath focus, Kripalu or Kundalini yoga, and repetitive prayer. The study included 19 long-term (average 9.4 years of practice) RR practitioners (group M) and 20 healthy controls tested at baseline (group N1) who underwent 8 weeks of training in guided relaxation techniques and tested again (group N2). Peripheral blood mononuclear cells (PBMC, all blood cells having a round nucleus) were isolated and global transcriptome (totality of transcripts) profiles were determined using microarrays that could probe 47 000 genes and gene variants.

    A total of 2 209 genes were differentially expressed between Group M and N1: 1 275 up and 945 down-regulated. Between Groups M and N2, 1 504 genes were differentially expressed: 774 up- and 730 down-regulated. Between N1 and N2, 1 562 genes were differentially expressed: 874 up- and 687 down-regulated. Interestingly, 595 genes were differentially expressed specifically in Group M, suggesting that long term practitioners of RR gives a distinct expression profile. Similarly, 428 genes were shared between the short and long term RR groups (N2 and M), but not with the controls N1 group. The type of genes differentially expressed suggested to the authors that gene expression changes in the M and N2 groups might indicate a greater capacity to respond to oxidative stress and associated detrimental effects. And it matters little which RR technique is practised.

    The third study investigated changes in gene expression by Sudarshan Kriya (a kind of yoga) and associated practice [5]. It included 42 practitioners and 42 healthy normal controls. RNA was isolated from PBMC and subjected to Reverse Transcription –PCR analysis with a focus on genes involved in oxidative stress, DNA damage, cell cycle control, aging and apoptosis. In parallel, the blood drawn was assayed for glutathione peroxidase, superoxide dismutase, and glutathione levels. Consistent with a previous study, glutathione peroxidase and superoxide dismutase activities and glutathione levels were higher in practitioners compared with controls. Consistent with those findings, glutathione S-transferase mRNA was also significantly higher in practitioners compared with controls. Although not statistically significant, similar increases were found in the antioxidant genes Cu-Zn and Mn SOD (superoxide dismutase), glutathione perioxidase, and catalase. In addition, expression of the anti-apoptotic gene COX-2 and stress response gene HSP-70 were significantly increased in the practitioners. Thus the authors suggested that the meditative practice might result in a better antioxidant status, at least in part, by changes in the expression of the relevant genes, which may translate to better response to environmental stress.

    All three studies suggest that yogi meditative practice give rise to gene expression changes consistent with improved response to environmental stress: improved survival of immune cells, improved antioxidant status "
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    Dan Millman and Wayne Dyer both draw upon the writings of Carlos Castaneda whose guru was a Toltec (Druid) named Don Juan. The Druids and gymnosophists are very similar and might even be of the same root philosophy and region. Yoga is attributable to the gymnosophists. I like how Dan writes in The Way of the Peaceful Warrior, which reminds me of Carlos' Impeccable Warrior who has to lose himself to know what he is. The Mayan saying goes "Do not put yourself in front of your SELF."

    From "The Way of the Peaceful Warrior" Book by Dan Millman

    "You are a very nervous fish, fleeing every large ripple . Later, you became used to the ripples but still had no insight into their cause. You can see that a magnificent leap of awareness is required for fish to extend the vision beyond the water in which it is immersed to the source of the ripples.

    A similar leap of awareness is required of you. When you understand the source clearly, you'll see that the ripples of your mind have nothing to do with you; you'll watch them, without attachment, no longer compelled to overreact every time a pebble drops. You will be free of the world's turbulence as soon as you calm your thoughts. Remember - when you are troubled, let go of your thoughts and deal with your mind."
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    It is my opined view that Buddhism owes a great deal to Yoga as does Hinduism. There are sects and sutras which conflict in training, methodology and even morality within each of them. Few people today study Yoga and few Yoga teachers are really interested in much more than making money. I have known people who go to Buddhist Temples and call themselves Buddhists who have never read any books about it and they practice ancestor worship at best. It is a sad state of affairs and Milarepa's life was one of immense ego and stubbornness as I see it. Sure he got siddhis and power enough to gain redemption in the eyes of many. He is a main man in the Tibetan cultus associated with Lamaism and Buddhism. I think any tulku is to be admired for what they have learned but I eschew such pursuits of power for personal gain. Here is a poem of his. I draw your attention to the demons he summons and power he seeks. His obeisance or drawing forth the memory of his mentors and teachers is not unlike what ancestor worship does.

    "The Song Of Perfect Assurance (To The Demons)

    Obeisance to the perfect Marpa.

    I am the Yogi who perceives the Ultimate Truth.
    In the Origin of the Unborn, I first gain assurance;
    On the Path of Non-extinction, slowly
    I perfect my power;
    With meaningful symbols and words
    Flowing from my great compassion,
    I now sing this song
    From the absolute realm of Dharma Essence.

    Because your sinful Karma has created
    Dense blindness and impenetrable obstruction,
    You cannot understand the meaning
    Of Ultimate Truth.
    Listen, therefore, to the Expedient Truth.

    In their spotless, ancient Sutras,
    All the Buddhas in the past, repeatedly
    Admonished with the eternal Truth of Karma —
    That every sentient being is one's kinsman.
    This is eternal Truth which never fails.
    Listen closely to the teaching of Compassion.

    I, the Yogi who developed by his practices,
    Know that outer hindrances are but a shadow-show,
    And the phantasmal world
    A magic play of mind unborn.

    By looking inward into the mind is seen
    Mind-nature — without substance, intrinsically void.
    Through meditation in solitude, the grace
    Of the Succession Gurus and the teaching
    Of the great Naropa are attained.
    The inner truth of the Buddha
    Should be the object of meditation.

    By the gracious instruction of my Guru,
    Is the abstruse inner meaning of Tantra understood.
    Through the practice of Arising and
    Perfecting Yoga,
    Is the Vital Power engendered
    And the inner reason for the microcosm realized.
    Thus in the outer world I do not fear
    The illusory obstacles.

    To the Great Divine Lineage I belong,
    With innumberable yogis great as all Space.

    When in one's own mind one ponders
    On the original state of Mind,
    Illusory thoughts of themselves dissolve
    Into the Realm of Dharmadhatu.
    Neither afflicter nor afflicted can be seen.
    Exhaustive study of the Sutras
    Teaches us no more than this."

    If one achieves inner wisdom and discipline things will happen through you which are Right rather than ego-driven but you must be careful.
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    Paul Brunton is one person who blazed a trail of wisdom acquisition few of us will ever equal. He is credited as an original mover in bridging East and Western philosophies in a time when most knowledge was still censored.

    A soul needs to see at some time before it goes past ego. See-ing has different meanings and depths. If you are a believer in re-incarnation you might see it as a venture which might take many lifetimes. If like me you think WE are part of oversouls and collective energy banks in the Jungian mode of thinking then you might challenge yourself to DO that which others in your soul continuum might regard with love and embrace you upon feeling your soul join with them once more.

    "Rediscovering Paul Brunton

    Reprint East/West October 1986

    This spiritual seeker was a pioneer architect of the East-West bridge

    By Barbara Platek and Steve Soiffer

    It is 1985. Ten thousand miles across the globe, a visitor enters a modest courtyard that serves as a meeting place for one of India's most respected spiritual leaders, the Shankaracharya of Kanchipuram. Making his way past the entourage of attendants and followers, the visitor reverently greets the ninety-one-year- old yogi and silently hands him a photograph. The Shankara looks down at the faded picture, and a slow smile steals across his kindly face. The photograph is of Paul Brunton.

    The West has gone East. Zen centers and vegetarian restaurants are everywhere, suburbanites are meditating, yoga, karma and guru are household words. Trace the origins of this eastward turning, however, and names like Watts and Suzuki come to mind--not Paul Brunton (1898-1981), the author, philosopher, and pioneer architect of the East-West bridge.

    Since the early 1930's, Brunton's books on Eastern thought and Western culture have sold nearly two million copies. His first book, In Search of Secret India (now available in paperback from Samuel Weiser, Inc.), is credited with introducing the philosophy of yoga to Westerners. The American Theosophist has hailed Brunton as "one of the West's most perceptive thinkers and deepest students of Ancient Wisdom." Yet he remains oddly unknown to an entire generation of Western spiritual seekers.

    Or perhaps not so oddly. In 1959--with the publication of his final book and at the height of a career filled with offers to found ashrams and to establish journals--Brunton disappeared. Once a journalist bent on traveling to strange lands to report about Eastern spirituality, he chose to abandon his worldly role and to traverse instead those regions of the heart where all traditions become one.

    What did he discover during this two-decade journey into his own being? No one can say for sure. We can only guess at the magnitude of the changes he underwent by the clues in the legacy he left behind--his notebooks--some 10,000 pages of what Brunton describes as Brunton described as a more "mature" version of his earlier work. Since 1984, Larson Publications has published a complete set, sixteen volumes of The Notebooks of Paul Brunton, entitled Perspectives; The Quest; Practices for the Quest and Relax and Retreat; and Meditation and The Body; Emotions and Ethics and The Intellect; The Ego and From Birth to Rebirth; Healing of the Self and The Negatives; Reflections on My Life and Writings; The Human Experience and The Arts in Culture; The Sensitives; The Orient; The Religious Urge and The Religious Urge and The Reverential Life, Relativity, Philosophy and Mind, Inspiration and the Overself, Advanced Contemplation and The Peace Within You; Enlightened Mind, Divine Mind.

    To read the "new" Brunton is to rediscover an old friend. Wise and compassionate, he offers candid advice about the pitfalls and possibilities of spiritual practice. And just as the world changed enormously over the last twenty years of his life, so did Brunton evolve and adapt his approach to better meet the needs of today's seekers. Although still looking to the Orient for inspiration and guidance, he does not believe that Westerners need shave their heads or sit cross-legged in a forest to attain spiritual fulfillment. Rather, he offers a simple, straightforward guide to how philosophical insights of East and West can help to create beauty, joy, and meaning in our lives--as we live them, not as they might have been lived had we been born at another time.

    Soul Reporter

    Brunton began his career quietly, as a London journalist in the early decades of this century. Although he was an inquisitive, talented reporter, his interest lay not in politics or current events but in the ancient riddles that have challenged philosophers through the ages: What is the meaning of the world and experience? What am I? What is the object of existence? Unlike many of his jazz-age contemporaries, Brunton recognized these questions as more than just abstractions to muse about over cognac and cigars. For him they were vital issues. From his youth they compelled his attention.

    Other journalists of his time wrote about debates in Parliament or the successes and failures of British colonialism, then in its heyday. Brunton investigated the uncharted regions of the soul. To his task he brought a full range of journalistic skills, deliberately seeking out those individuals--philosophers, scientists, mystics--who might have the answers he wanted. It was not unusual to find him earnestly paging through a copy of Emerson or slipping softly into a meeting of the London Theosophical Society.

    But Brunton's quest was hardly a conceptual shopping spree. An inner force gripped him, irresistingly driving him to probe beneath life's surface. With his characteristic thoroughness, he set about tracking down every lead available to him. He pondered all manner of recondite texts--on Platonism, Taoism, Vedanta--and investigated such then fashionable trends as parapsychology, occultism, and positive thought.

    Many reference works that are easily available today were, of course, yet to be translated. People who have grown up during the last twenty years may have trouble realizing just how esoteric these studies once were. But Brunton's research was exceptional; an acquaintance who knew him during his later years observed that Brunton's address file contained the names of virtually every individual and organization even remotely connected with things spiritual.

    Indeed, Brunton did meet many people--recognized authorities such as D.T.Suzuki,{Daisetz not David} C.G.Jung, and Annie Besant--but he steadfastly refused to give exclusive allegiance to any of the paths he explored. He conducted his research with a mind as keenly analytical as it were openly receptive. If he was unwilling to relinquish his privacy and independence by joining groups or cults, he was yet prepared to acknowledge genuine spiritual impulse wherever he found it: in other individuals, in the beauty of nature, and in the hushed depths of his own meditations."
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    The Indian psychological movement which owes so much to Yoga is making science far more integrative through the application of sound and proven ancient discipline.

    When we know our consciousness and how it connects us to "what IS" will science stop saying it deserves higher credibility? So far the mystics or metaphysicians seem to have the upper hand and Gravitational Wave Theory will add to that immensely when it is a proven fact. In so many areas of science (See Rediscovering the Mind as one top scientist recounts almost every hard science and Nobel Laureates had to accept mystical meaning was right.) we are close and still we have teachers and educational systems standing in the way of compassionate soulful integration of our world and whatever connections exist between energies. In the excerpt from a very familiar dialogue between science and spirituality we have Thomas Huxley saying something his descendant Aldous certainly did not agree with. Maybe in another generation or three we will have a Kuhn telling us something more than if you see it - it exists.

    "Experimental psychologists explore the basic elements of human experience to some extent lacking even amongst the most rigorous phenomenologists.� And phenomenological psychologists can provide a fullness of description which for the most part is not present within the findings of experimental psychologists.�

    However, the marriage between these two approaches to the study of human experience is far from consummated.� Proponents of each remain critical of the other; the experimentalist finds the phenomenologist's descriptions to be lacking in clarity, rigor and precision; the phenomenologist doubts the relevance of the experimentalist's precise scientific procedures to the exploration of human experience as it is actually lived.�

    There is a further problem.� Neither the approach of the phenomenologist nor that of the experimentalist � has come to terms with the fact that the whole of psychology represents the study of the mind within a larger scientific paradigm which is predominantly materialistic.� Most psychologists shy away from the full implications of the materialistic outlook as it relates to most, if not all, of what is of greatest concern to human beings. �However, the biologist Francis Crick, in his book, "The Astonishing Hypothesis", shows no such hesitation: "The astonishing hypothesis is that �You', your joys and your sorrows, your memories and ambitions, your sense of personal identity and free will, are in fact no more than the behavior of a vast assembly of nerve cells and their associated molecules.� As Lewis Carroll's Alice might have phrased it: �You're nothing but a pack of neurons.'" [xix] �

    Leaving aside the note of triumph in Crick's assertion of the materialistic basis of human consciousness, he describes quite vividly the dilemma facing psychologists who wish to fully account for the total experience of being human.� If in truth, we are "nothing but a pack of neurons", perhaps there is not really so much difference between Baars' phenomenology of saturation, brightness and hue and that of Kegan, Csikszentmihalyi, Gallagher and other phenomenological psychologists.� It looks like David Chalmers' "Hard Problem" � how the experience of consciousness can occur in what science takes to be a primarily physical universe � remains a problem both for the experimental and the phenomenological psychologist.��

    The impasse to which many scientists have come regarding the nature of the mind seems to be quite serious.� There are many in the scientific community who share the viewpoint of epiphenomenalism � the idea that human consciousness is almost an afterthought of evolution, with absolutely no causal power in relation to our behavior or to matter in general. ��Philosopher Mary Midgley refers to this notion as the "steam-whistle" theory of consciousness after Thomas Huxley's description of consciousness as "completely without any power of modifying [the working of the body][ as the steam-whistle which accompanies the working of a locomotive engine is without influence on its machinery'. [xx] �� Because of this viewpoint, scientists and philosophers expend an enormous amount of energy arguing about such things as the existence of "zombies" who resemble human beings in every way with the exception that they are completely unconscious.� Evolutionary biologists are at a loss to understand the function of consciousness in evolution, and many have come to the conclusion that it serves no purpose at all.� It doesn't seem to have occurred to anybody that perhaps the purpose of evolution is the development of consciousness.

    It seems largely because of these underlying materialistic assumptions that there is so much confusion amongst both experimentalists and phenomenologists with regard to the workings of the mind.� For example, it is perhaps because Baars takes the materialistic basis of consciousness so completely for granted that he apparently sees little or no difference between the studies of the phenomenological psychologists and the various experiments in color perception and working memory he cites as examples of human phenomenology.� The phenomenologists, in spite of their avowed aim of exploring the full richness of human experience, accept the paradoxical co-existence of meaning and purpose in an essentially meaningless, purposeless material world ultimately devoid of consciousness."
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