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    The Bible - promotes prejudice, misogyny, war, and genocide

    If you ever had an ancestor who had his balls cut or stomped on - you are forbidden entry into the House of the Lord. If you ever had an ancestor who was a 'bastard' forget getting into that place. That means no one will be there even if you somehow fooled St. Peter. Are you related to an Ammonite or Moabite - tough sh^t!

    The Cycle of Violence is a very touchy subject for most people. There are those who sit in positions where they know the depth of the problem and they might even know what could be done in some cases. But can they actually do something about it?

    Here are some of the problems.

    1. Parents think it is their right to have children and raise them as their father and other earlier family members raised them. They do not want to admit they are control freaks or abusers of one form or another. They may even think their religious indoctrination is correct despite the fact that it does nothing to teach the joy and soulful potential of sex alongside the civil and moral responsibilities that are connected.

    2. Politicians know that if they addressed the totality of the problem it would mean many children would be taken away from parents and there is no social network in place like the extended family or clan that would ensure the children get the proper character development while having their human potential creatively embraced or developed. In some countries politicians enjoy wielding perverse power over people and giving them ridiculous religious laws or ideas about virgins in heaven or the place of man versus woman. Arranged marriages are a form of prostitution and marriage itself needs to place the rights of children ahead of the rights of parents. All children become wards or citizens of the state and the costs or dangers associated with abuse are many.

    3. In the ethical system that allows older people to force naïve young people into wars or to work at things which are not productive we have a macro-social and soulful issue which is most egregious to say the least. There have been times when de-population makes sense and the whole planet can become threatened by rampant over-population so it makes sense to plan the parenting of children rather than allow de-population efforts to succeed. As mankind goes into space there will be a need for more people unless the robots take over. But sending poor examples of our species out to populate our galaxy is a most troubling issue for me.

    4. Therapists are in danger of being sued if they say the victim is in need of therapy too. There are no intake questionnaires in schools or hospitals which might target certain at-risk children and class action suits against the government or its institutions could result if courts are not aware of the dangers of religious and ethnic mores and morays that actually generate abuse. Courts and therapists as well as teachers of proper training or education are not in agreement and the matter requires some kind of realization that we do indeed face a monstrous and real threat to our potential growth as a race or species.

    5. Police forces and other powerful mundane jobs often attract people who are abusive or overly forceful. Fear and a lack of trust rather than healing and loving approaches are everywhere. We have seen growing awareness of the abuse of authority in churches in relation to pedophilia but that is only the tip of the iceberg.

    "I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country.
    As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed."
    - President Abraham Lincoln, 1865

    As this author says (somewhat tongue in cheek) all books of the Bible and this cult are corrupt. Savior = save your ($$)

    It's Not Your Fault!

    Saying goodbye is easy for the traveler. I am a person who traveled so much that I had no roots except 'within' and I learned to be connected to 'What IS'.

    In the movie Good Will Hunting there are many great insights about the rat race and cycle of violence. I never was beaten but I had a horror show caused by the social system due to a schizophrenic mother. But I empathized with the Psychologist played by Robin Williams because I have always been there to counsel those in need or trouble. I had studied just like Will Hunting, a lot of the books on philosophy and psychology. Before I was ten I dare say I had read more than the average Doctor of Psychology.

    It was good to see both the main characters get on with their life and do the right thing. The 'Right Thing' is what I have been doing ever since I decided to fulfill my purpose. That meant I had to face the music and the rat race or bureaucracy again. You could say I am determined to be 'historical' like Gertrude Stein - or die trying. But I don't have a salon in Paris. I lived and volunteered in a group home for the flotsam of society called insane. I write my books in hopes that someone some day will decide to join me in a quest beyond fighting City Hall. Just like Gertrude's unwillingness to see the politics that lead to war I am moved to see what really causes these behaviors.

    Ego and fear are so hard for people to get past. I have been perceived as a 'threat' to society or an agent of change people choose to avoid, for a couple of decades. In the last few years I have taken the message of soul and connectiveness to the World Wide Web communities. I am now retiring from such ego and flaming wars. Who can say what lies ahead? I don't really care if anyone actually learns the data I dump and my writing is only going to reach a few people while I am alive. Life on earth may not exist past that if our leaders choose to continue the current direction or leave to colonize space with the 'chosen ones'.

    The important thing about learning and all the research I have done in writing about sixty (60) books including an encyclopedia, is this. We are connected and all energy has structure an consciousness or soul. It is being proven in science but I knew it long ago. I have seen many of the 'CONnections' and lots of 'CONstructs'. The joy of creating, I mean really creating, come through in the kind of thing Nils Bohr said. He said every great truth has an opposite which is also true, and a trivial truth has an opposite that is simply false; or something to that effect. When you see or feel a template or integrate the data that once seemed confusing there is a rush of creative realization (Thank you Bucky!) which is almost orgasmic or better. I hope Teilhard is right about one template seen by one person will impact 'all that is'. I trust there are people who will decide to make a real difference rather than pursue animal rights or abortion and the myriad other issues that create confusion and lead society away from ethical constructs. I wonder if there are enough?

    I yam wut I yam.
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    Before the war Hitler and Eichmann tried to establish a Jewish Homeland in many places, they warned the Jews to leave Germany because Hitler knew at a very personal level just how much Jews were hated. Every nation on earth (see the movie Ship of Fools) was anti-Semitic and two weeks before the outbreak of war and Canada's declaration of war the Prime Minister (King) was shaking the hand of Hitler and calling him the greatest leader in the world. One exception in Canada was the Sinclair family (St. Clair - see thread on Plantard de St. Clair) of BC. Their son worked tirelessly to save Jews throughout the war even though his well-connected political family and mother failed to get a hearing or help. There is a movie telling his story too. This is the family of Justin Trudeau's mother.

    Here's a lot more for you to read.

    During his tumultuous rise to the pinnacles of power Adolf Hitler was often accused of being Jewish. Even the leaders of the National Party which he sought to lead, ridiculed Hitler as a "Jew" and for "behaving like a Jew" as did many of his enemies.

    In 1933, it was reported in a London newspaper that a gravestone was found in a Jewish cemetary in Bucharest, inscribed with Hebrew characters that spelled out: Adolf Hitler. Adolf Hitler was a Jewish name... but this "Adolf Hitler" had been born in 1832, fifty years before the birth of the future dictator of Germany.

    Before coming to power, Adolf Hitler was also a target of widespread ridicule, and was mocked by enemies and the press who questioned his ancestry and who laughably referred to him as "Adolf Schickelgruber." "Schickelgruber" had been the name of Adolf's maternal grandmother, and for 39 years, the name of his father, Alois.

    Although the "Schickelgruber" moniker rankled the rising dictator, what concerned him and what he feared most was the history behind the name: the discovery that he was part "Jew;" a fear he repeatedly voiced long after coming to power.
    "People must not know who I am," he ranted, and then ranted again when informed that his family history was being investigated. "They must not know where I came from."

    Long before and well after Hitler became Chancellor of Germany, considerable effort was expended to falsify, erase or destroy the records from his past. Repeated investigations were conducted by the Gestapo who repeatedly visited his ancestral village in Austria, questioning and threatening anyone that had been associated with the Hitler family.

    Hitler was so concerned that when he annexed Austria, in 1938, he ordered that his family's ancestral village, Dollersheim, and all neighboring villages be destroyed. His armies marched in and then cleared out and forcibly evacuated the villagers who were dispersed far and wide. And then Hitler in fact, made it disappear, erased it from the face of the Earth. His armies bombed Dollersheim and all neighboring villages into oblivion as part of a training exercise. Even his father's and grandmother's graves were obliterated and no trace remains.

    Nevertheless, what has survived the ravages of time, purposeful destruction and clever forgery, is the fact that Adolf's father, Alois Schickelgruber was the illegitimate son of a female servant, Maria Anna Schickelgruber. Maria became pregnant while living as a servant in a Jewish household --a common servant girl fate. It was assumed by family members and villagers alike that she'd been impregnated by the head of the house, Baron Rothschild (Langer, 1973; Payne, 1973); a rumor that the Austrian Secret police claimed to have confirmed when ordered by Austrian Chancellor Dollfuss to conduct a thorough investigation. Later, when Hitler orchestrated the anschluss of Austria and German trooped marched in, he had Dollfuss murdered, and in addition to destroying Dollersheim, ordered that all documents related to that investigation be destroyed.

    Yet others claimed that the man who had impregnated Adolf's grandmother was the Jewish scion of the seigneurial house of Ottenstein.

    Hitler's own nephew, William Patrick Hitler, and Adolf's personnel attorney, Hans Frank, claimed that his grandfather was a wealthy "Granz Jew" by the name of Frankenberger who in turn "paid a maintenance allowance from the time of the child's birth until his fourteenth year."

    As Frank reported to Hitler, and as he recounted at his Nuremberg war crimes trial, based on what he learned "the possibility cannot be dismissed that Hitler's father was half Jewish as a result of an extramarital relationship between the Schickelgruber woman and the Jew from Graz. This would mean that Hitler was one-quarter Jewish."

    When Adolf Hitler was presented with the results of Frank's investigation, although denying he was Jewish, Hitler did admit to Frank that a Jewish man paid his grandmother money.... Of course this means, if Adolf (or rather Frank) is to be believed, that his grandmother was having sex with a Jewish man before she became pregnant.

    What these stories all have in common, of course, is that Hitler's grandfather was a rich "Jew," and that after becoming pregnant his grandmother was banished from the Rothschild or Frankenberger or the Ottenstein home and sent back to her village to have her baby, Alois. It also appears that funds and even "hush money" were secretly provided for her and the baby."

    When required to fill out the baptismal certificate for her son, she left the line as to the father of her boy, completely blank. Why did she leave it blank? Two reasons. Having been impregnated by a Jewish man was nothing to be proud of given the hateful anti-Semitic attitudes of the ignorant peasant farmers and villagers of Lower Austria. Secondly, it is said that she was paid to keep the paternity secret.

    Yet another factor suggesting that Alois was Jewish was the fact that he was nothing like the peasants of his mother's village where people intermarried and produced generation and after generation of peasant farmers. Alois in fact left the village and sought his fortune. Alois was supremely self-confident, politically astute, and ambitious, and with the help of influential aristocrats in Vienna, Alois became a government official. Alois presumably inherited these traits from his father, who was most likely a very intelligent and successful Jew.


    Abram Becomes Abraham. Jacob Becomes Israel

    As to the name "Hitler," although Alois Schickelgruber was proud of his heritage, he found it to his financial advantage to change his name at age 39. Exceedingly shrewd and ambitious, Alois was presented with an opportunity to become instantly a man of considerable property; and the name of that opportunity was Johann Hiedler who had lived in nearby town of Weitra. Johann Hiedler died at age 84 without wife or children--a condition that normally would result in his estate being confiscated by the Austrian government.

    Alois instantly seized this opportunity and made arrangements with the local parish priest to alter the parish birth and adoption records (Shirer, 1941, 1960). The priest scratched out the name "Shicklegruber" and penciled in "Hiedler."

    Alois, however, wasn't especially fond of the "Hiedler" moniker, and altered the spelling to make it sound more pleasing. Alois "Hiedler," became Alois Hitler, and Alois Hitler, unlike any of his mother's peasant farmer relatives, became an official in the Austrian government (Payne, 1973; Shirer, 1941, 1960).


    According to German historian, Helmut Heilber: "The aberrational quality of the Hitler family beginning with the ambitious and enterprising father of Adolf shows that other blood must have entered the Lower Austrian Waldviertel stock which had been weakened by years of inbreeding."

    Likewise, according to Walter Langer (1972) who was employed by the Office of Strategic Services to conduct a study of Hitler just before the war: "The intelligence and behavior of Alois, as well as that of his two sons (Alois Jr., and Adolf), is completely out of keeping with that usually found in Austrian peasant families. Their ambitiousness and extraordinary political intuition are much more in harmony with the Rothschild tradition."

    Alois was not only ambitious and successful, but proud of his paternity--having a father who was wealthy and an aristocrat. Alois, in fact, chose a Jewish man to act as Adolf Hitler's godfather (Langer, 1972), and a Jewish doctor helped to deliver Hitler into this world.

    Thus, the evidence strongly suggests that Alois was half Jewish and that Adolf Hitler was one quarter Jewish--a possibility vehemently rejected by Nazis and Jews alike.


    As a young man, Adolf did not feel it necessary to hide his origins. He admitted to having a Jewish father and bragged of having rich Jewish relatives (Hanisch, 1936, 1939). As a young man, Adolf even dressed like a "Jew," and formed close "friendships" with Jewish men--one of whom he lived with briefly (Heidan, 1936; Payne, 1973). Moreover, in addition to associating with, dressing like, living with, and obtaining money from Jews, in February of 1919 Adolf Hitler participated in a parade, as a designated mourner, for a very close friend, a Jewish socialist who had been murdered in Munich (Rosenbaum, 1999).

    And like Jewish prophets and Moses before him, Adolf appears to have been chosen by the Divine Providence and the Lord God.

    And how does the Jewish "Lord God" prefer to reveal himself and to make his wishes known? Through fear and terror:

    "And Now Israel, what does the Lord your god require of you, but to fear the Lord your god (Deuteronomy 10:12).

    "The beginning of wisdom is the fear of the Lord." -Proverbs 1:7, 9:10, 15:33.

    "Fear the Lord your God." -Deuteronomy 10:12.
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    The confusion of purposes and the so-called authority of Rabbis is a farce. They contradict each other and seldom give clear proof of their contentions. They are not interested in dispelling all manner of racist agendas - they like playing the martyr, I guess. I have tried to get them to give the origins of their languages and people. I have found many scholars who have written clear and understandable books who disagree with the authors of the following link which surprisingly has sold out to Romanism's authorship of the New Testament Gospels which blame Jews for "They killed our Savior" nonsense.

    Virginia Woolf said, “My greatest adventure was undoubtedly Proust. What is there left to write after that?” Who are you to argue with Virginia Woolf?

    You may have seen the movie WHO'S AFRAID OF VIRGINIA WOOLF yet not remember anything she wrote, so here is a sample of her great insight on nations.

    "Therefore if you insist upon fighting to protect me, or ‘our' country, let it be understood, soberly and rationally between us, that you are fighting to gratify a sex instinct which I cannot share; to procure benefits which I have not shared and probably will not share; but not to gratify my instincts, or to protect myself or my country, ‘For', the outsider will say, ‘in fact, as a woman, I have no country, As a woman I want no country. As a woman my country is the whole world.' And if, when reason has had its say, still some obstinate emotion remains, some love of England dropped into a child's ear by the cawing of rooks in an elm tree, by the splash of waves on a beach, or by English voices murmuring nursery rhymes, this drop of pure, if irrational, emotion she will serve her to give to England first what she desires of peace and freedom for the whole world." (3)
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    To delve deeply into the impacts of violence in the home one has to consider the damage done to the people outside the home who love those who are being abused. Police people I have spoken with are almost universally in agreement with me that Intervention is needed but insurance and legal hurdles prevent them from such action. They are often victims of said violence by families who do report the problem - amazingly. Then there is the psychic or emotional impact on them when they have to leave children and women in vulnerable circumstances.

    When you look at these statistics keep in mind that it is far , FAR worse in the rest of the world. First of all we must know that the following definition of violence is not broadly accepted and if it were applied all the statistics you see are so far away from reality you might scream 'cover-up' or ask why churches still worship St. Augustine and any aspect of the 'harbingers of original sin' crap. Then you SHOULD insist that no church get tax free status unless they demonstrate they are acting to correct the illness in society (which they caused) and in their church.

    "What is violence against women?
    • The United Nations defines violence against women as: • “Any act of gender-based violence that results in, or is likely to result in, physical, sexual or psychological harm or suffering to women, including threats of such acts, coercion or arbitrary deprivation of liberty, whether occurring in public or in private life."24

    • This violence can include:25 • Physical abuse: Slapping, choking, or punching her. Using hands or objects as weapons. Threatening her with a knife or gun. Committing murder.
    • Sexual abuse: Using threats, intimidation, or physical force to force her into unwanted sexual acts.
    • Emotional or verbal abuse: Threatening to kill her (or to kill the children, other family members or pets), threatening to commit suicide, making humiliating or degrading comments about her body or behaviour, forcing her to commit degrading acts, isolating her from friends or family, confining her to the house, destroying her possessions, and other actions designed to demean her or to restrict her freedom and independence.
    • Financial abuse: Stealing or controlling her money or valuables (of particular concern to older women). Forcing her to work. Denying her the right to work.
    • Spiritual abuse: Using her religious or spiritual beliefs to manipulate, dominate, and control her.
    • Criminal harassment/stalking: Following her or watching her in a persistent, malicious, and unwanted manner. Invading her privacy in a way that threatens her personal safety.

    What causes violence against women?
    • In our society, gender inequality is visible in many areas, including politics, religion, media, cultural norms, and the workplace. Both men and women receive many messages—both blatant and covert—that men are more important than women. This fundamental inequality creates a rationale for humiliation, intimidation, control, abuse, and even murder.
    • In this context, it becomes easier for a man to believe that he has the right to be in charge and to control a woman, even if it requires violence. This is not only wrong, it’s against the law. 26
    • Violence against women is rooted in the belief that women deserve less social power and it is therefore acceptable – maybe even necessary – to exert power over them. This mindset also drives many other forms of violence, such as racism, homophobia, classism, ageism, and religious persecution.27
    • There is no evidence that alcohol or mental illness causes men to be violent against women. Men who assault their partners rarely assault their friends, neighbours, bosses, or strangers. In fact, when it comes to alcohol, there is a clear double standard: while alcohol consumption by an offender is often used to excuse their behaviour, victims who have been drinking are often blamed for their own victimization."
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    How to Discipline Your Wife

    The sexual morays and peccadillos of this cult are getting better than just being Harbingers (Augustine), chattel (Council of Carthage in 397), unclean (Menstruating makes for many prohibitions of participation in ritual and yet at higher levels makes for fetishes - see They Value Your Menstruum) and so forth. The fact that infidelity can just be 'testified' to on Sunday by the likes of Jim Bakker or Swaggart is not lost on me. I could suggest the whole Cycle of Violence has roots in religious extremism and the kind of lies encouraged in what follows.

    "The Foundation of Disciplining Your Wife

    Before a husband can effectively discipline his wife, he needs to build the proper foundation for said discipline. To attempt discipline without the fundamental foundational principles in place will inevitably backfire, and cause resentment and contempt. Let's go over them individually.

    1.Your wife must know, feel, and be assured constantly that she is cherished. This is a prime need for any woman, just as it is a need of the Church to feel cherished by Christ. As a picture of Christ in the home, husbands must always remember that they are not simply dealing with the woman that they married, but the most beautiful, incredible perfect gift that the Lord has ever given to him, second only to eternal life itself. Love notes, gifts, intimacy, conversation, sharing, compliments... Shower this woman with your love every day to show her just how much she is cherished. Remember that your wife is only as beautiful as you make her, so lift her up as if she is without flaw or blemish. (In short do not ever tell any truth or make love and sharing of the soul a primary focus.)

    2.You must be the primary Bible teacher in the home. Husbands, lead devotions in the home every day. Remember, it's not you taking a half-hour or so out of your day to do this, but rather that the Lord gives you the remaining 23 hours or so to attend to your personal business. It's His time, so don't rob Him. And if your wife is more biblically knowledgeable than you are, and so more qualified to lead devotions, lead them anyway, and bone up on your Bible while you're at it (I certainly had to). When the wife leads instead of the husband, the husband robs her of spiritual security. I cannot say it any stronger than this - husbands, if you don't lead devotions in your home, don't claim to be the covenant leaders of the home. You're in abdication, and will be living under judgment for it; and it is your wife and family that will suffer the most. If you truly love your wife, lead her spiritually.

    3.Praise her in the gates. Understand that when Proverbs 31 speaks of this, it means that husbands need to praise their wives no matter where they are. Praise her at work, play, home or wherever your path takes you. Tell your friends, co-workers and even total strangers how wonderful the woman you married is. Praise her in the church, praise her to your children, and praise her to your boss. Will people think you're strange for doing this? No, not really. I know this from experience - not only will your wife be edified, but so will Christ and even yourself. Never miss an opportunity to praise her, and be willing to create some opportunities as well."


    And what the Bible might not promote will often be promoted in the church anyway.
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    The future for women in the West has improved in many respects over the time since the Cathars were burned at the stake. I attribute some of these changes to what the Cathars and their Troubadours had done. Perhaps someone will convince me there is something other than a dark side to Christian history after Rome got involved - which is very early, if your definition has anything to do with some man myth called Jesus rather than what Iesa means. Numerous are the dangers a woman faced in the pursuit of anything resembling a life. The whole world still trembles. Some people may not know these things so here's some of Helen Ellerbe's book.

    "From: The Dark Side of Christian History

    The Reformation did not convert the people of Europe to orthodox Christianity through preaching and catechisms alone. It was the 300 year period of witch-hunting from the fifteenth to the eighteenth century, what R.H. Robbins called "the shocking nightmare, the foulest crime and deepest shame of western civilization." The Church created the elaborate concept of devil worship and then, used the persecution of it to wipe out dissent, subordinate the individual to authoritarian control, and openly denigrate women.

    The witch hunts were an eruption of orthodox Christianity's vilification of women, "the weaker vessel," in St. Peter's words. The second century St. Clement of Alexandria wrote: "Every woman should be filled with shame by the thought that she is a woman." The Church father Tertullian explained why women deserve their status as despised and inferior human beings:

    "And do you not know that you are an Eve? The sentence of God on this sex of yours lives in this age: the guilt must of necessity live too. You are the devil's gateway: you are the unsealer of that tree: you are the first deserter of the divine law: you are she who persuaded him whom the devil was not valiant enough to attack. You destroyed so easily God's image, man. On account of your desert that is, death even the Son of God had to die."

    Others expressed the view more bluntly. The sixth century Christian philosopher, Boethius, wrote in The Consolation of Philosophy, "Woman is a temple built upon a sewer." Bishops at the sixth century Council of Macon voted as to whether or not women had souls. In the tenth century Odo of Cluny declared, "To embrace a woman is to embrace a sack of manure..." The thirteenth century St. Thomas Aquinas suggested that God had made a mistake in creating woman: "nothing [deficient] or defective should have been produced in the first establishment of things; so woman ought not to have been produced then." And Lutherans at Wittenberg debated whether women were really human beings at all. Orthodox Christians held women responsible for all sin. As the Bible's Apocrypha states, "Of woman came the beginning of sin And thanks to her, we all must die."

    Women are often understood to be impediments to spirituality in a context where God reigns strictly from heaven and demands a renunciation of physical pleasure. As I Corinthians 7:1 states, "It is a good thing for a man to have nothing to do with a woman." The Inquisitors who wrote the Malleus Maleficarum, "The Hammer of the Witches," explained that women are more likely to become witches:

    'Because the female sex is more concerned with things of the flesh than men;' because being formed from a man's rib, they are only 'imperfect animals' and 'crooked' whereas man belongs to a privileged sex from whose midst Christ emerged.

    Christians found fault with women on all sorts of counts. An historian notes that thirteenth century preachers

    ...denounced women on the one hand for... the lascivious and carnal provocation of their garments, and on the other hand for being over- industrious, too occupied with children and housekeeping, too earthbound to give due thought to divine things."

    I am well aware that many people hid inside the bowels of the Church and continued to try to mimic Yeshua and his family. I can defend the origins of many such groups including the Jesuits - but it is more difficult to defend them as they do not promote ecumenicism and equality as well as truth in history.

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