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    Is it useful to see archetypes as pathways upon which thoughts follow a beaten trail which energies from thoughts have lingered? Are these pathways capable of interaction and conscious design? Are the microchip technologies of the present more capable of generating energies that have design, than the huge macrochips called megaliths? The symbols on cave walls and rocks or stelae which became or evolved through attunement into our alphabets are not to be sneezed upon when you think how much of what we are is impacted by the words and archetypes of our conscious beingness.

    The essence of every thought or feeling is an origin of every religion but ego makes some people think they are the 'chosen' few or their leaders and priestly interpreters have had to get the laity to focus on a few things in order to achieve order. There is an energy or 'geist' and zeitgeist to all the circuitous and Hegelian Dialectics of philosophy to be sure. People seek agreement from others to be sure. But NEED is not so important when so much and so many NEEDs exist all around us. The abuse of philosophical weasel words and high-falutin terminologies has rendered our totality of culture unable to use words to convey concepts as simple as Peace according to one leader of The Club of Rome who taught me that Shalom means peace through victory and not at all what I think Peace is. Another example is 'the meek shall inherit the Earth'. But in the original writings the word 'mensch' is what has been translated to meek. Mensch has elements of weak but it also has elements of strong. A Mensch is a trustworthy friend more than a foolish and weak follower of some belief or priestly proselyte.

    I especially enjoyed walking in the gardens of the Getty estate when I lived in Los Angeles but I should have done my best to find Dr. Don Robins at the Getty Institute where I think he was engaged in Black Ops work utilizing the Earth Energy Grid (see threads on HAARP, Omega Stations, etc..).

    "The meek shall inherit the earth, but not its mineral rights."
    — dictum attributed to Jean Paul Getty

    In case you think it is bad to be a student of the soul, the occult, esoterica and beyond; you should know it is bad to do anything other than learn. In life we should learn or we will surely remain as soulfully corrupt as we are collectively. But learning is often a case of unlearning that which we believe. Belief certainly is closure of the mind. Many great teachers have contemplated meaning or the Logos, and many are they who will tell you it is 'within' or 'I am that I AM' (YHVH). That does not mean all is fine or 'What me worry' should be your mantra. It also does not mean you must struggle and find what is wrong just because someone like me says we must strive for solutions to our collective problems and care for all life.

    I found forms and energy conduits exist in our bodies in many teachings including Yoga and Gurdjieff. In fact I think his ancient Sarman or Sarmoung Brotherhood is a Yogic teaching or origin. The Mutras or Mudras are like his dance steps and disciplined movements. These energies within are mirrored 'without' and can be focused to achieve miraculous things. Those siddhis or powers are seductive but once you get past their superficial appeal you will find all disciplines and religions say pretty much the same core thing. That is why some of the greatest teachings of all are easy enough for a child to understand. Because after all the sucking and blowing out of every human orifice is over, the tree or beanstalk which grows to the sky is what we can and should learn from, life is indeed 'like a beanstalk' Jack!

    http://politicsofsoul.org/tag/gurdjieff/

    Alfred North Whitehead said a lot of things of great importance to society - few have yet been acted on. We are all responsible for making change and guilty evermore when presented with wisdom we do not act upon. He said it this way.
    "Ideas won't keep, something must be done about them."
    “I have suffered a great deal from writers who have quoted this or that sentence of mine either out of its context or in juxtaposition to some incongruous matter which quite distorted my meaning , or destroyed it altogether."

    "It does not matter what men say in words, so long as their activities are controlled by settled instincts. The words may ultimately destroy the instincts. But until this has occurred, words do not count. - from Science and the Modern World"

    "It requires a very unusual mind to undertake the analysis of the obvious."

    "Everything of importance has been said before by somebody who did not discover it."

    "Human life is driven forward by its dim apprehension of notions too general for its existing language."



    http://www.quotes.net/authors/Alfred...th%20Whitehead

    A complete reading of what follows should prompt you to call your congressman or become an activist against the his- story we have been taught. https://goddessdocumentary.wordpress...rija-gimbutas/
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    Those archetypal pathways I speak about in the last post include dream dancing and dreams themselves - which Jung delved into. The symbols seen all over the world and known as geoglyphs look a lot like early language to poor old silly me.

    They look like Rongorongo - a language! Check out David Kelley and the breaking of the Mayan code. It was both pictographic and alphabetaic. Check out the whole thread addressing Ogham and Aymara - yes, Aymara is from the region you call Incan - due to stupid history selling vile colonial or imperialistic Empire agendas.

    The TV show on Mummies yesterday had a girl found high atop a mountain with an active volcano which they unearthed and determined came from the so-called Incas. The rulers were Incas - not the people. The rulers were white people in league with Pizzaro's type. There is proof of over three thousand years of continuous trade with the so-called Old World. There is proof of contact for ten thousand years before that. And tell me why normal academics don't say where the people came from in the first place or deny all proofs older than their history (based on the Flat Earth lie of religion) says. Anywho - enough of my usual rant. This girl shocked the discoverers because her hands looked like she was freshly placed there - they said she looked as if she were asleep. They made no mention of Peruvian mummies found in the north of the Emerald Isles or the Canary Islands funerary practices which are identical. They did not explain how ancients who they say had no metal working or advanced culture could know these things BEFORE Europeans did - or even consider that as a possibility. Heck, these dense dolts don't even talk about Incas and Mayans being from similar source trading ventures. DNA is wrecking their denial however - the Ainu blood is all over Peru and I hope more research shows what I believe to be the case with the Mayans.

    All those people making major bucks selling the alien intervention nonsense should be shot and sh^t upon. But it is not their fault people eat up the crap. I know the TV producers seek it out - rather than facts. I know government people engage in destroying actual artifactual proofs that make humanity the cause and might bring back Brotherhood rather than Empire. I know entirely too much for my own good.

    Not only do I have proof of metal-working in Peru - I have proof of smelting iron and making a crowbar. It gets almost redundant and boring yet, everytime I see a TV show my blood boils anew. The Caral pyramids are older than the ones on Giza's Plateau according to some academics. The mummies found in the Hebrides and Canary Islands have similar interment procedures to those in Peru. There are many things that show advanced technology started in Peru and it is hard to know when it all began or what kind of culture may have taught the white people known as the Chachapoyas who were still the leaders of the people ruled by Incas even though history tells us they were defeated a short time before Pizarro arrived. I have presented a DNA map at W-M which shows the Ainu (DNN) in Peru and Polynesia.

    "A team of archaeologists, led by Dr Mike Parker Pearson of Sheffield University, has recently found the remains of what are believed to be two mummified Bronze Age bodies, buried under the floor of a prehistoric house at Cladh Hallan on the Hebridean Island of South Uist. The house in which the mummy skeletons were buried was part of a unique Bronze Age complex, which is as mysterious as the preserved corpses that were buried there.

    'The skeletons looked very unusual...like Peruvian mummies'." (1)
    The situation in science regarding Easter Island is wrapped up in genocidal efforts by Catholics from Peruvian conquerors and a concerted effort to deny certain very real possibilities including early inhabitants as far back as Rongorongo from Ilavarta. Wikipedia does not say it is from Ilavarta or Mohenjo Daro. Nor do most scholars want to discuss ocean travel from before the time of Sumer or their Cradle of Civilization theory which is a pile of Biblical you-know-what.

    Here is what Wikipedia has to say: "Rongorongo, a system of glyphs discovered in the 1800s, is believed to represent an older version of the Rapanui language. However, the decipherment of rongorongo is an ongoing process and it is not yet clear whether or not Rongorongo is a form of writing or some other of cultural expression." Linguists I have read say the same Rongorongo is found in Central America as well as northern India. I have shown good scholars demonstrating that Buddhist influences on the Mayan and Mayan influences on India such as the origin of the mathematical concept of zero prove what is also proven through numerous cultural similarities that Professor Scherz found his Indian (not casino Indians) students noticed.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapa_Nui_people

    Other entries on Wikipedia go further and seek to deny any connection with the Indus Valley from 4,000 and more years ago. As per usual they also call natives liars and anyone who believes natives could actually read Rongorongo something similar or amateur. "In the late 19th century, within a few years to decades of the destruction of Easter Island society by slave raiding and introduced epidemics, two amateur investigators recorded readings and recitations of rongorongo tablets by Easter Islanders. Both accounts were compromised at best, and are often taken to be worthless, but they are the only accounts from people who may have been familiar with the script first-hand."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decipherment_of_rongorongo

    I said Ilavarta was in touch with far away places through ocean travel over six thousand years ago. Perhaps I should say the Magan culture nearby has traded with South Asia for a long time and I wish the digs near the mouth of the Persian Gulf where this culture was located weren't being destroyed. Silly old me, I recall many early alphabets had no vowels and 'h' was just a sound made by the aspiration of tongue and cheek. I also know 'y' in many scripts looked like the waves of the ocean and 'g' came therefrom by writing it quickly I suggest. Yep, silly old me - I see Magans and Mayans have common roots. But I actually listen to Mayan native origin stories about three brothers coming from the West over the ocean.

    I do seem to integrate a lot of different studies, more than most academics. Here we have something from a ceramics Museum which tells us sea-trade with India and Vietnam is a lot older than you might think and yet it leaves open the likely fact of far more ancient trade. Maybe it is part of my need to prove mankind is an asshole by being one myself, you might say.

    "Vietnam is one of many Asian countries having a long-standing and famous tradition of ceramics production. Vietnam also is one of three countries including Vietnam, China and Japan that exported ceramics developed in other countries. The manufacture of Vietnamese ceramics has been formed and developed from the 1st to the 3rd centuries and strongly developed since Vietnam had won their freedom in the early 10th century."

    http://www.themua.org/collections/fi...542d74cfe2.pdf

    The whole situation becomes clearer when you get actual Sumerian records saying they were a colony (not of aliens) of people out of Dilmun or where the Phoenicians built and sold ships in 2800 BCE to the far away Egyptians. In another colony of theirs where Memphis was a key administrative center. That would be about half way between their Byblos sites in Lebanon and on the Persian Gulf. Then you will see Tocharians mentioned in the next site. That is a language of The Mummies of Urumchi near the Great Wall of China and Temujin's Altaic and Ainu homeland. That language is most like Luwian or Crete's ancient script which reports say are on the urban structures at the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico near Cuba.

    The legends of the Keltoi say they had four main administrative centers. One of them is always Crete, but I suspect Urumchi area was one from 20,000 BCE to 500 BCE when Professor Scherz's student Joan Price of the American Institute of Archaeology demonstrates they left and came to join earlier settlers near Wisconsin and became the Fox and Sauk Indians (Casino type). It is entirely possible that it was not Urumchi but rather Ulan Bator as Churchward says civilization began there 200,000 years ago. They are close to each other but we have little in the way of archaeology near Ulan Bator before we found Denisovan Man recently. For more on this you should read my thread on the Ainu (DNN of the Kelts or Kets, I now propose.).

    https://earthistheaim2.wordpress.com...-arabia-magan/

    And then there is the Mongolian Blue spot to think about. As you read this blog please remember the spots disappear or they are not what is relevant. http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,537413,537413 Also remember there are lots of proofs for the Mormon history of pre-Columbian peopling of the Americas - we have hundreds here. Check out linguist Cyrus Gordon for more.
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    Bucky Fuller knew what it took to develop geometry and trigonometry through ocean travel by the stars. He was always observing intently and then taking another vantage point to integrate what he saw before concluding or starting to limit what might be real. He would agree with me that Flores Island artifacts of 825,000 years ago prove advanced man was there a million years ago and that it took time for that human to get there, away from his culture or civilization. I don't think he would simply state it was homo habilis and a less evolved human given the Black Skull and many other finds that make any evolutionary tree impossible to affirm according to the discoverer of Lucy. I know Bucky would love conversing with one member of the team who found Lucy in the Olduvai Gorge area - I refer to Hank Wesselman. Hank has become a major scientific proof of shamanic mind development.

    I have followed this area of research since I was a teenager. In my mid 20s about forty years ago I met the man who brought the first porpoise into captivity at the Wometco Enterprises Miamarina. We became friends and talked about the five different layers of sound or bandwidths they use and whether or not the mystics were right about them having walked on land at one point. In my mid 40s I was at Tulum in Mexico where they have many porpoises and detailed presentations on their evolution. They said about 200 Million years ago the porpoise was a wolf-like creature who walked the land.

    Personally I find many dogs are very empathic and have ESP. Yogi Ramacharaka said our American domesticated animals have a higher spiritual attunement than humans who have to focus their attention on acquisition of food and shelter. Maslow's theories on survival and the hierarchy of needs are not as well developed as Yogic understanding which greatly pre-date his Hierarchy of Needs. Today you have autistic children and Alzheimer's patients benefitting from being with porpoises for just 15 minutes.

    The people in Hawaii working with animals and porpoises are gaining great knowledge and I applaud their work, but getting an animal to understand us as a means to prove they are wise or conscious in the same manner we are, might not be what should be researched. Shamans and animal trainers including people I have met, who share knowledge without sound to and from animals do exist. It can be seen in the movie Crocodile Dundee when he gestures with his hand and tilts his head to the water buffalo on the road. A reading of The Celestine Prophecy by James Redfield might be a place they could start.

    "No single trait has been linked more closely with the human species than has language. However, the definition of language and its uniqueness as a human trait continue to be areas of study and debate. Some, such as the linguist Noam Chomsky, take an evolutionary discontinuity position professing that language is a highly unique adaptation supported by special modifications of the brain that appear only in humans. Others, such as the anthropologist Barbara King, favor a continuity position, which suggests that language must have its roots in earlier hominoid adaptations....

    Recent work with bonobo chimpanzees, pioneered by Sue Savage-Rumbaugh, has emphasized language comprehension and has progressed well beyond the earlier ape language studies. The bonobos have shown an ability to learn to understand instructions given in spoken English sentences. Together with some of her earlier work, Savage-Rumbaugh has shown that chimpanzees can learn to appreciate the symbols (words) of the language “referentially.” The understanding that words refer to things or events in the real world is one of the key characteristics of human language. Among other things, referential understanding enables us to discuss things that are not immediately present or that happened at a different place or time....

    The television medium can display scenes that are representations of the real world, or sometimes of imagined worlds. As viewers, we understand this and often respond to the displayed content similarly to how we might respond to the real world. We of course understand that it is a representation, and not the real world. It appears, however, that an appreciation of television as a representation of the real world does not come easily to animals, even to apes. Sue Savage-Rumbaugh wrote in her book, Ape Language, that chimpanzees show at most a fleeting interest in television, and that from their behavior it was not possible to infer that they were seeing anything more than changing patterns or forms. Her own language -trained chimpanzee subjects, Sherman and Austin, only learned to attend to and interpret television scenes after months of exposure in the presence of human companions who reacted to the scenes by exclaiming or vocalizing at appropriate times. Louis Herman, Palmer Morrel-Samuels and Adam Pack tested whether the dolphin Akeakamai might respond appropriately to language instructions delivered by a trainer whose image was presented on a television screen. Akeakamai had never been exposed to television of any sort previously. Then, for the first time, the researchers simply placed a television monitor behind one of the underwater windows in the dolphin’s habitat and directed Akeakamai to swim down to the window. On arriving there she saw an image of the trainer on the screen. The trainer then proceeded to give Akeakamai instructions through the familiar gestural language. The dolphin watched and then turned and carried out the first instruction correctly and also responded correctly to 11 of 13 additional gestural instructions given her at that same testing session. In further tests, Akeakamai was able to respond accurately even to degraded images of the trainer, consisting, for example, of a pair of white hands moving about in black space. The overall results suggested that Akeakamai spontaneously processed the television displays as representations of the gestural language she had been exposed to live for many years previously."


    http://www.dolphin-institute.org/res...l_language.htm

    The elephant named Ruby sells art she produces in an Arizona zoo. Sea Lions and many other animals are being studied - as I say, I look forward to seeing how humans adapt to animal language. Maybe it is due to reading too many Edgar Rice Burroughs novels that I think this way. Maybe it is because I can attract birds without memorizing their mating calls or affect cats without any previous interaction. Naw, a crow might caw and imitate us but surely the fact that they can raise cats and befriend other species means nothing at all. All those natives who attune to their clan animal or crow are just savages, like all so many academic books tell us.
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    When a champion of UFO and alien intervention who is a scientist sees the light and refutes himself does that mean a lot? It should. And my investigation of demons and archetypes converges with his new theories.

    ""Much to the consternation of the "scientific ufologists" who had seen him as one of their champions, Vallee now seemed to be backing away from the extraterrestrial hypotheses and advancing the radical view that UFOs are paranormal in nature and a modern space age manifestation of a phenomenon which assumes different guises in different historical contexts.

    "When the underlying archetypes are extracted," he wrote, "the saucer myth is seen to coincide to a remarkable degree with the fairy-faith of Celtic countries … religious miracles… and the widespread belief among all peoples concerning entities whose physical and psychological descriptions place them in the same category as the present-day ufonauts."

    In The Invisible College (E.P. Dutton, 1975) Vallee posits the idea of a "control system." UFOs and related phenomena are "the means through which man's concepts are being rearranged." Their ultimate source may be unknowable, at least at this stage of human development; what we do know, according to Vallee, is that they are presenting us with continually recurring "absurd" messages and appearances which defy rational analysis but which nonetheless address human beings on the level of myth and imagination.

    "When I speak of a control system for planet earth," he says, " I do not want my words to be misunderstood: I do not mean that some higher order of beings has locked us inside the constraints of a space-bound jail, closely monitored by psychic entities we might call angels or demons. I do not propose to redefine God. What I do mean is that mythology rules at a level of our social reality over which normal political and intellectual action has no power….""
    http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc608.htm

    Do you doubt we could create a Minotaur today? If you doubt Da Vinci had a Philosopher's Stone as did many others including Nostradamus - please search their names here. "SEE"-ing the past and future might be the cause of many myths but also the motive for ancient attunement genetics using tools or technology like the caduceus staffs.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18974418

    Our government destroys our cultural heritage, but remember they do worse things in every area of human endeavour. They should be stopping war, and it's religious indoctrination, - they should be educating for a new technological age wherein menial and advanced labour is done by robots - they should stop the war on women and tax churches into the Dark Ages they caused - they should help us, help our selves and SELF collective!

    "When I was in graduate school, I used to take Biblical text study courses. Studying Torah (Bible) is another very detailed word-based discipline. Every word is thought to be significant, and we would often debate why one word may have been chosen over another, and read about what the great Rabbinic commentators' thoughts were about these choices. Detailed text study gave me a profound respect for the process of choosing words carefully.

    When I learned Reiki, I became fascinated with the studies of Masaro Emotu. He determined that words have energy. Positive energy and negative energy are emitted by spoken and written words. The words absorb the intention in which they are spoken or written and emit that energy to others, water, or where the words are directed. Emotu's experiments with water are truly inspiring. Some of them involved writing the word "Peace" on a piece of paper and affixing it to a container of water, and writing the words "You Fool" on another piece of paper affixed to a different container of water. The water came from the same original source. After a few hours, droplets of the water were quickly frozen and examined under a microscope. The water with the word "Peace" had grown beautiful detailed crystals. The water with the words "You Fool" had disjointed, chaotic pieces of broken crystals, and a muddy appearance."

    http://reikiawakening.blogspot.ca/20...-of-words.html

    Alice Langholt is a multi-disciplinarian and healer whose words have more meaning than most scientists and academics will want to give credit for. She also uses Kundalini Reiki and no hands approaches - which means a mere thought is all we need to assist each other.

    It is so sad that we pay drug pushers to abuse us and butchers to cut open our bodies. So many healers are not only more capable and disciplined they actually prevent further harm. There is a place for modern medicine but Dr. Zoltan Rona (Search for him and Daniel Matt as well as Emotu - here, to get more about all these matters.) gets it right when he says our vaunted modern medicine "is a blip" on the history of the healing arts.
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    The proliferation of icons, saints, relics and similar ritual paraphernalia in Christianity belies any truth about a monotheistic ecclesiasty. All of those things are symbolic and triggers for hypnotic transfer of information or NLP (NPL or whatever). I have quoted hypnotists and a United Church minister and others (here) which provide further insight to these facts. Christianity has more gods than any other religion even if you think Laddio, Daddio and Spook are supreme deities that differ from others which Christianity stole those concepts from.

    Many people say archetypes or symbols have little application in their thought processes. They think they came to believe what they believe through some great intellectual process unique to themself I guess. Some will say they got it all from God or another lie and fraud. Those people need serious introspection if not incarceration.

    "Memetics is the study of ideas and concepts viewed as "living" organisms, capable of reproduction and evolution in an "Ideosphere" (similar to the Biosphere) consisting of the collective of human minds. Memes reproduce by spreading to new hosts, who will spread them further (typical examples are jokes, catchphrases or politicial ideas).

    At present memetics is somewhat controversial. Partly this is due to misunderstandings about what it means, leading to claims that it excludes human free will, creativity and progress, and that it is bad science. This will likely change in time, as the field matures."
    http://www.aleph.se/Trans/Cultural/Memetics/

    The Phoenician or Irish Cultural Age (according to Masonic linguist Connor MacDari) language schools understood the magic of words and symbols better than we do today. The Phoenicians (trans. followers of the Irish King Finn and his Fianna) are the mythological Atlanteans and much more from myth is attributable to them. The Father of Biblical Archaeology says the Bible is a Phoenician literary legacy. All the languages of the Mediterranean came from the Phoenicians and I draw a connection to Peru and other places in the thread Ogham and Aymara. The Red-Headed League of Megalith Builders are Phoenicians and it now seems possible that the DNN or Ainu did genetic interbreeding with Denisovan Man and Neanderthal to make those red-heads.

    In this site and link you will see how the myth begins and more evidence of what I say.

    "THE ISLAND OF ATLANTIS was a mythical realm of the far West which was sunk beneath the ocean by the gods to punish the people for their immorality.

    The name "Atlanteans" was also given by the Greeks to the Phoenician colonies along the Barbary Coast of North Africa (i.e. around Mount Atlas). Diodorus Siculus describes their Titan-mythology and wars with the Libyan Amazones. Plato may have the same nation in mind, since he names the second Atlantian king Gadeiros after a famous Phoenician colony near the Straits of Gibraltar."


    http://www.theoi.com/Phylos/Atlantes.html

    Many embedded links to many interesting thoughts in this link.

    http://vigilantcitizen.com/forums/Th...-Shah-and-nore
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    http://brainmeta.com/forum/lofiversi...php?t7911.html

    From the above.

    If anyone could make sense of the unconscious and its habit of revealing itself only in symbolic form, it would be Carl Jung.

    He had, in addition, a capacity for very lucid dreaming and occasional visions. In the fall of 1913, he had a vision of a "monstrous flood" engulfing most of Europe and lapping at the mountains of his native Switzerland. He saw thousands of people drowning and civilization crumbling. Then, the waters turned into blood. This vision was followed, in the next few weeks, by dreams of eternal winters and rivers of blood. He was afraid that he was becoming psychotic.

    But on August 1 of that year, World War I began. Jung felt that there had been a connection, somehow, between himself as an individual and humanity in general that could not be explained away. From then until 1928, he was to go through a rather painful process of self-exploration that formed the basis of all of his later theorizing.

    He carefully recorded his dreams, fantasies, and visions, and drew, painted, and sculpted them as well. He found that his experiences tended to form themselves into persons, beginning with a wise old man and his companion, a little girl. The wise old man evolved, over a number of dreams, into a sort of spiritual guru. The little girl became "anima," the feminine soul, who served as his main medium of communication with the deeper aspects of his unconscious.

    A leathery brown dwarf would show up guarding the entrance to the unconscious. He was "the shadow," a primitive companion for Jung's ego. Jung dreamt that he and the dwarf killed a beautiful blond youth, whom he called Siegfried. For Jung, this represented a warning about the dangers of the worship of glory and heroism which would soon cause so much sorrow all over Europe -- and a warning about the dangers of some of his own tendencies towards hero-worship, of Sigmund Freud!

    Jung dreamt a great deal about the dead, the land of the dead, and the rising of the dead. These represented the unconscious itself -- not the "little" personal unconscious that Freud made such a big deal out of, but a new collective unconscious of humanity itself, an unconscious that could contain all the dead, not just our personal ghosts. Jung began to see the mentally ill as people who are haunted by these ghosts, in an age where no-one is supposed to even believe in them. If we could only recapture our mythologies, we would understand these ghosts, become comfortable with the dead, and heal our mental illnesses."
    And you can learn a lot from Claude Levi-Strauss, he is not in the academic or hermetic league with Mircae Eliade but he is worth a look.

    http://library.hrmtc.com/tag/claude-levi-strauss/
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    Pictographic languages are archetypes in action.

    Rongorongo and ancient but accurate lunar calendars travelling across the Pacific and Indian Oceans is not what you hear about on any media channels like school. Nonetheless these are facts and part of thousands of other facts from every scientific discipline I have gathered. Contrary to what this article says (It is better than most.) Russian linguists showed Rongorongo in India, Easter Island and Central America. A recent TV show purporting to explain the Moa on Easter Island made a big thing about their eyes being ritually brought to life. The design reminded me of Horus (see Threads here). I did not see reference to what follows - I wonder why?

    "In 1886 Paymaster William Thompson of the ship USS Mohican became interested in the pictographic system during a journey to collect artifacts for the National Museum in Washington. He had obtained two rare tablets engraved with the script and was curious about their meaning. He asked eighty-three-year-old islander Ure Va’e Iko for assistance in translation because his age made him more likely to have knowledge of the language. The man reluctantly admitted to knowing what the tablets said, but did not wish to break the orders of the missionaries. As a result, Ure Va’e Iko refused to touch the tablets, let alone decipher them.

    Thompson was determined, however, and decided that Ure Va'e Iko might be more forthcoming under the influence of alcohol. After having a few drinks kindly provided by Thompson, the Easter Islander looked at the tablets once again. The old man burst into song, singing a fertility chant which described the mating of gods and goddesses. William Thompson and his companions quickly took down his words. This was potentially a big breakthrough, but Thomson struggled with assigning words to the pictographs. Furthermore, he couldn't find another Islander who was willing to confirm the accuracy of this translation. While Thompson was ultimately unable to read Rongorongo, the translation that Iko provided has remained one of the most valuable clues on how to decipher the tablets.

    In the following decades, many scholars have attempted to make sense of this mystery. In 1932, Wilhelm de Hevesy tried to link Rongorongo to the Indus script of the Indus Valley Civilization in India, claiming that as many as forty Rongorongo symbols had a correlating symbol in the script from India. Further examination found this link to be much more superficial than originally believed. In the 1950s, Thomas Barthel became one of the first linguists of the modern era to make a study of Rongorongo. He stated that system contained 120 basic elements that, when combined, formed 1500 different signs. Furthermore, he asserted that the symbols represented both objects and ideas. This made it more difficult to produce a translation because an individual symbol could potentially represent an entire phrase. Barthel was successful, however, in identifying an artifact known as the Mamri tablet as a lunar calendar.

    Some of the most recent research has been conducted by a linguist named Steven Fischer. Having studied nearly every surviving example of Rongorongo, he took particular interest in a four-foot-long scepter that had once been the property of an Easter Island Chief. The artifact is covered in pictographs, and Fischer noticed that every third symbol on this staff has an additional "phallus-like" symbol attached to it. This led Fischer to believe that all Rongorongo texts have a structure steeped in counts of three, or triads. (Might this be Iambic Pentameter?) He has also studied Ure Va’e Iko's fertility chant, which lent additional support to the concept. Iko had always named a god first, his goddess mate second, and their offspring third. Fischer has also tried to make the claim that all Rongorongo texts relate creation myths. Looking at another text, he has suggested that a sentence with a symbol of a bird, a fish, and a sun reads "All the birds copulated with fish: there issued forth the sun." While this could be the translation, it bears little resemblance to Ure Va'e Iko's chant about the matings of gods and goddesses.

    Rongorongo naturally commands a great deal of interest from linguists, anthropologists, and archaeologists. Only twenty-five texts are know to have survived. Should anyone find a workable translation for Rongorongo, the knowledge stored on the remaining tablets might explain the mysterious statues of Easter Island, the sudden appearance of the written language, and the island's history and customs as whole. However, much like the statues which have so captivated popular imagination, Rongorongo has so far defied all attempts at explanation."


    http://www.damninteresting.com/the-o...easter-island/
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    A good student addresses Northrop Frye and a book on him can be accessed through the following. He addresses Jung, Eliade and Campbell in a major way as he does his doctoral thesis at McMaster a few years ago.

    [PDF]Northrop Frye and the Phenomenology of Myth - MacSphere



    https://macsphere.mcmaster.ca/bitstr...1/fulltext.pdf


    by RG Gill - ‎2003 - ‎Cited by 1 - ‎Related articles
    Weston's From Ritual to Romance (1920), which represented a major ... studied with G. Wilson Knight at the University of Toronto, whose Wheel of Fire (1931) and The Star-Lit Dome (1941) were major early contributions to mythopoetics, and he ..... Eliade's have at the hands of Robert Baird, Jung's in the comments of Eric ...


    I doubt my books had fallen into Mr. Gill's hands at this juncture - so that Robert Baird might not be me. However, it is possible due to family living there and attending Unity Church near McMaster that he was referring to me. But when I refer to Eliade I use Eliade's words in direct quotes most often.

    This whole thread is connected with many other threads including Israel's Lost Tribes.
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    It may serve any student well to really study what Plato says about myth in Timaeos and Critias in opposition to what he wrote in Phaedros - I say he wrote for many separate purposes and audiences or was what we today would call a social engineer or theocrat.

    http://www.geology.upatras.gr/files/...%20Vol%201.pdf

    There are many valuable excerpts on language, Homer, and Plutarch. I choose just this one to illustrate it is no simple analysis.

    1. Introduction Many analysts have entirely rejected Timaeos and Critias as a possible source of any useful historical information. These experts did not really take into account that Plato defined science in his dialogue Phaedros (Phaedros 277.b.5 - 277.c.3) and mythology in his dialogue Timaeos (Criti 110.a.3-110.a.4.). Besides, he has divided the myths in genuine (Tim 26.e.4-26.e.5) and in fabricated ones (Resp 377.b.5377.b.6.). He made great use of the latter in all his dialogues sending messages to his readers for morality, philosophy, politics and sometimes he encrypted, for his own reasons, mathematical theorems or relations within paramythical (fabricated myths) stories. A good example is what Vardulakis and Pugh (2008) found in the Laws in connection with the prime numbers.

    2. Plato and Science Plato initially defined science for first time in the world in Phaedros as follows: Phaedr 277.b.5-277.c.3 {ΣΩ} Πρὶν ἄν τις τό τε ἀληθὲς ἑκάστων εἰδῇ πέρι ὧν λέγει ἢ γράφει, κατ᾽ αὐτό τε πᾶν ὁρίζεσθαι δυνατὸς γένηται, ὁρισάμενὸς τε πάλιν κατ᾽ είδη μέχρι τοῦ ἀτμήτου τέμνειν ἐπιστηθῆ, περί τε ψυχῆς φύσεως διιδὼν κατὰ ταὐτά, τὸ προσαρμόττον ἑκάστῃ φύσει εἶδος ἀνευρίσκων, οὕτω τιθῇ καὶ διακοσμῇ τὸν λόγον, ποκίλῃ μὲν ποικίλους ψυχῇ καὶ παναρμονίους διδοὺς λόγους, ἁπλοῦς δὲ ἁπλῆ,

    Socrates: “First you must know the truth about the subject that you speak or write about, that is to say, you must be able to isolate it in definition, and having so defined it you must next understand how to divide it into kinds, until you reach the limit of division, secondly, you must have a corresponding discernment of the nature of the soul, discover the type of speech appropriate to each nature, and order and arrange your discourse accordingly, express the nature of the complex and simple soul with panarmonic and simple analogies ”


    I do not know the meaning of panarmonic. Contextually I hope it means the sum total of wisdom from all sources in a harmonic balance one acts upon soulfully. It appears there should be an aspirant "h" in it - but probably not needed when he spoke the word. I suspect there is a lot of code in what follows discussing men and women in harmony and how they differ by location such as Lydia versus elsewhere.

    http://www.sacred-texts.com/cla/plato/rep/rep0301.htm

    Further research on that word lead me to these thoughts of great importance.

    I find Isaac Newton seeing Pythagoras understood Newtonian gravity and many other scholars including Copernicus realized they were just reviving old knowledge. This author agrees. Just as important is the issue of numbers relating to harmony, music, Schumann's Resonance and Pythagorean octaves which earlier bards were able to focus in The Lost Chord, and the Harmony of the Spheres.

    https://books.google.ca/books?id=axg...ras%22&f=false

    Number to Sound: The Musical Way to the Scientific Revolution

    Are we mere animals or even less? Dogs can learn to care and develop but our leaders have told us the same lies for too long. Why do we wag our tails at the same old tales?

    Joseph Campbell, The Hero With A Thousand Faces:

    "Whether small or great, and no matter what the stage or grade of life, the Call rings up the curtain, always, on a mystery of transfiguration -- a rite, or moment, of spiritual passage, which, when complete, amounts to a dying and a birth. The familiar life horizon has been outgrown; the old concepts, ideals, and emotional patterns no longer fit; the time for the passing of a threshold is at hand."
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    Hermann Hesse exhibits knowledge beyond the poet (bard) who never really lived to commune with mountains and trees or see the amber rays connecting all things Don Juan spoke about to Carlos. I admit I have seldom seen those rays when no sun is around, but the trees on Vancouver Island engulf all thought and one cannot easily be unimpressed with how small we are.

    “For me, trees have always been the most penetrating preachers. I revere them when they live in tribes and families, in forests and groves. And even more I revere them when they stand alone. They are like lonely persons. Not like hermits who have stolen away out of some weakness, but like great, solitary men, like Beethoven and Nietzsche. In their highest boughs the world rustles, their roots rest in infinity; but they do not lose themselves there, they struggle with all the force of their lives for one thing only: to fulfil themselves according to their own laws, to build up their own form, to represent themselves. Nothing is holier, nothing is more exemplary than a beautiful, strong tree. When a tree is cut down and reveals its naked death-wound to the sun, one can read its whole history in the luminous, inscribed disk of its trunk: in the rings of its years, its scars, all the struggle, all the suffering, all the sickness, all the happiness and prosperity stand truly written, the narrow years and the luxurious years, the attacks withstood, the storms endured. And every young farmboy knows that the hardest and noblest wood has the narrowest rings, that high on the mountains and in continuing danger the most indestructible, the strongest, the ideal trees grow.

    Trees are sanctuaries. Whoever knows how to speak to them, whoever knows how to listen to them, can learn the truth. They do not preach learning and precepts, they preach, undeterred by particulars, the ancient law of life.

    A tree says: A kernel is hidden in me, a spark, a thought, I am life from eternal life. The attempt and the risk that the eternal mother took with me is unique, unique the form and veins of my skin, unique the smallest play of leaves in my branches and the smallest scar on my bark. I was made to form and reveal the eternal in my smallest special detail.

    A tree says: My strength is trust. I know nothing about my fathers, I know nothing about the thousand children that every year spring out of me. I live out the secret of my seed to the very end, and I care for nothing else. I trust that God is in me. I trust that my labor is holy. Out of this trust I live.

    When we are stricken and cannot bear our lives any longer, then a tree has something to say to us: Be still! Be still! Look at me! Life is not easy, life is not difficult. Those are childish thoughts. Let God speak within you, and your thoughts will grow silent. You are anxious because your path leads away from mother and home. But every step and every day lead you back again to the mother. Home is neither here nor there. Home is within you, or home is nowhere at all.

    A longing to wander tears my heart when I hear trees rustling in the wind at evening. If one listens to them silently for a long time, this longing reveals its kernel, its meaning. It is not so much a matter of escaping from one's suffering, though it may seem to be so. It is a longing for home, for a memory of the mother, for new metaphors for life. It leads home. Every path leads homeward, every step is birth, every step is death, every grave is mother.

    So the tree rustles in the evening, when we stand uneasy before our own childish thoughts: Trees have long thoughts, long-breathing and restful, just as they have longer lives than ours. They are wiser than we are, as long as we do not listen to them. But when we have learned how to listen to trees, then the brevity and the quickness and the childlike hastiness of our thoughts achieve an incomparable joy. Whoever has learned how to listen to trees no longer wants to be a tree. He wants to be nothing except what he is. That is home. That is happiness.”

    ― Hermann Hesse, Bäume. Betrachtungen und Gedichte

    I recall Princeton recently put their PEAR random generating world mind enhancer to death but in league with Esalen they are proceeding to put what Teilhard and others before him knew - into action. There is a lot of the Bard or poet in all of this. Enjoy!

    http://noosphere.princeton.edu/poetic.html
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