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    Is there a more dastardly deceit than the one which allowed white Europeans to genocidally wipe out beautiful people in the Americas who had been coming here forever from all over and lived in Brotherhood far more than the heathen horde who killed them off through purposeful use of WMDs like the Plague? Call it the will of God or Manifest Destiny - it is still the basis of most people's beliefs as well as the very existence of our nations. You should be ASHAMED!!!

    The TV show on Mummies yesterday had a girl found high atop a mountain with an active volcano which they unearthed and determined came from the so-called Incas. The rulers were Incas - not the people. The rulers were white people in league with Pizzaro's type. There is proof of over three thousand years of continuous trade with the so-called Old World. There is proof of contact for ten thousand years before that. And tell me why normal academics don't say where the people came from in the first place or deny all proofs older than their history (based on the Flat Earth lie of religion) says. Anywho - enough of my usual rant. This girl shocked the discoverers because her hands looked like she was freshly placed there - they said she looked as if she were asleep. They made no mention of Peruvian mummies found in the north of the Emerald Isles or the Canary Islands funerary practices which are identical. They did not explain how ancients who they say had no metal working or advanced culture could know these things BEFORE Europeans did - or even consider that as a possibility. Heck, these dense dolts don't even talk about Incas and Mayans being from similar source trading ventures. DNA is wrecking their denial however - the Ainu blood is all over Peru and I hope more research shows what I believe to be the case with the Mayans.

    Not only do I have proof of metal-working in Peru - I have proof of smelting iron and making a crowbar. It gets almost redundant and boring yet, everytime I see a TV show my blood boils anew. The Caral pyramids are older than the ones on Giza's Plateau according to some academics. The mummies found in the Hebrides and Canary Islands have similar interment procedures to those in Peru. There are many things that show advanced technology started in Peru and it is hard to know when it all began or what kind of culture may have taught the white people known as the Chachapoyas who were still the leaders of the Incas even though history tells us they were defeated a short time before Pizarro arrived. I have presented a DNA map at W-M which shows the Ainu (DNN) in Peru and Polynesia.

    "A team of archaeologists, led by Dr Mike Parker Pearson of Sheffield University, has recently found the remains of what are believed to be two mummified Bronze Age bodies, buried under the floor of a prehistoric house at Cladh Hallan on the Hebridean Island of South Uist. The house in which the mummy skeletons were buried was part of a unique Bronze Age complex, which is as mysterious as the preserved corpses that were buried there.

    'The skeletons looked very unusual...like Peruvian mummies'." (1)
    The situation in science regarding Easter Island is wrapped up in genocidal efforts by Catholics from Peruvian conquerors and a concerted effort to deny certain very real possibilities including early inhabitants as far back as Rongorongo from Ilavarta. Wikipedia does not say it is from Ilavarta or Mohenjo Daro. Nor do most scholars want to discuss ocean travel from before the time of Sumer or their Cradle of Civilization theory which is a pile of Biblical you-know-what.

    Here is what Wikipedia has to say:
    "Rongorongo, a system of glyphs discovered in the 1800s, is believed to represent an older version of the Rapanui language. However, the decipherment of rongorongo is an ongoing process and it is not yet clear whether or not Rongorongo is a form of writing or some other of cultural expression."
    Linguists I have read say the same Rongorongo is found in Central America as well as northern India. I have shown good scholars demonstrating that Buddhist influences on the Mayan and Mayan influences on India such as the origin of the mathematical concept of zero prove what is also proven through numerous cultural similarities that Professor Scherz found his Indian (not casino Indians) students noticed.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapa_Nui_people

    Other entries on Wikipedia go further and seek to deny any connection with the Indus Valley from 4,000 and more years ago. As per usual they also call natives liars and anyone who believes natives could actually read Rongorongo something similar or amateur.
    "In the late 19th century, within a few years to decades of the destruction of Easter Island society by slave raiding and introduced epidemics, two amateur investigators recorded readings and recitations of rongorongo tablets by Easter Islanders. Both accounts were compromised at best, and are often taken to be worthless, but they are the only accounts from people who may have been familiar with the script first-hand."
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decipherment_of_rongorongo

    I said Ilavarta was in touch with far away places through ocean travel over six thousand years ago. Perhaps I should say the Magan culture nearby has traded with South Asia for a long time and I wish the digs near the mouth of the Persian Gulf where this culture was located weren't being destroyed. Silly old me, I recall many early alphabets had no vowels and 'h' was just a sound made by the aspiration of tongue and cheek. I also know 'y' in many scripts looked like the waves of the ocean and 'g' came therefrom by writing it quickly I suggest. Yep, silly old me - I see Magans and Mayans have common roots. But I actually listen to Mayan native origin stories about three brothers coming from the West over the ocean.

    I do seem to integrate a lot of different studies, more than most academics. Here we have something from a ceramics Museum which tells us sea-trade with India and Vietnam is a lot older than you might think and yet it leaves open the likely fact of far more ancient trade. Maybe it is part of my need to prove mankind is an asshole by being one myself, you might say.

    "Vietnam is one of many Asian countries having a long-standing and famous tradition of ceramics production. Vietnam also is one of three countries including Vietnam, China and Japan that exported ceramics developed in other countries. The manufacture of Vietnamese ceramics has been formed and developed from the 1st to the 3rd centuries and strongly developed since Vietnam had won their freedom in the early 10th century." http://www.themua.org/collections/fi...542d74cfe2.pdf

    The whole situation becomes clearer when you get actual Sumerian records saying they were a colony (not of aliens) of people out of Dilmun or where the Phoenicians built and sold ships in 2800 BCE to the far away Egyptians. In another colony of theirs where Memphis was a key administrative center. That would be about half way between their Byblos sites in Lebanon and on the Persian Gulf. Then you will see Tocharians mentioned in the next site. That is a language of The Mummies of Urumchi near the Great Wall of China and Temujin's Altaic and Ainu homeland. That language is most like Luwian or Crete's ancient script which reports say are on the urban structures at the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico near Cuba.

    The legends of the Keltoi say they had four main administrative centers. One of them is always Crete, but I suspect Urumchi area was one from 20,000 BCE to 500 BCE when Professor Scherz's student Joan Price of the American Institute of Archaeology demonstrates they left and came to join earlier settlers near Wisconsin and became the Fox and Sauk Indians (Casino type). It is entirely possible that it was not Urumchi but rather Ulan Bator as Churchward says civilization began there 200,000 years ago. They are close to each other but we have little in the way of archaeology near Ulan Bator before we found Denisovan Man recently. For more on this you should read my thread on the Ainu (DNN of the Kelts or Kets, I now propose.).

    https://earthistheaim2.wordpress.com...-arabia-magan/

    And then there is the Mongolian Blue spot to think about. As you read this blog please remember the spots disappear or they are not what is relevant. http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,537413,537413 Also remember there are lots of proofs for the Mormon history of pre-Columbian peopling of the Americas - we have hundreds here. Check out Cyrus Gordon for more.
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    Do you remember hearing Shrub say he talks to the highest authority rather than learn anything. Yes, he talks to god and gets Divine Inspiration but on the fateful day the planes hit he behaved as if he were already aware of a plan that had caused a brother's insurance company to drop coverage on the Twin Towers. He did not scramble planes per policy and after all planes were grounded in Canada and the USA he let the Bin Ladins living on American soil fly away. He said he did it so people would not attack them. Yes, people might indeed have had some questions for his father's business partners. Maybe we should all ask God what he told George II or was shrub talking to another "higher authority" rather than god?

    Looking back on having watched him in the Florida school holding a book written for children and following along I remember someone pointing out the book was upside down - we laughed. You see if you don't talk to God you might have to read or at least listen to all the people in your administration who knew about the airplanes crashing into buildings or on their way to do more of the same. A person on Jim Marrs' site said he was told the day before of changes to the President's schedule to meet Warren Buffett because he was in the security forces assigned to the meeting. I was at ground zero when the anniversary ceremonies took place and my oldest brother is a Colonel in the New York Guard who received a medal for his work in the clean up and storage of donations etc.. You need to read what is on this link if you care one iota about reality. Yes, I think everyone should watch the Passionate Eye documentary even if they have to come to Canada to do so. Yes, I believe there is a very high probability that someone other than the short-sellers of airplane and vacation stocks knew in advance. But who am I - silly old man is all.

    "Needless to say, in the anniversary hoopla, Bush and other leaders were described as "resolute," "brave," "strong," and so forth. Even the minor level of media criticism just after 9/11 that led to several reporters losing their jobs was absent. The topic of Bush's behavior on 9/11 has been barely mentioned in the media since.

    There are many questions that deserve answers. So many pieces of the puzzle do not fit. Simply by reading the mainstream media reports, we can see that mere incompetence doesn't explain what happened to Bush on that day. For instance, it makes no sense that Bush would listen to a story about a goat long after being told the US was under attack, and even after the Secret Service decided to immediately evacuate him from the school. It defies explanation that Air Force One's fighter escort took two hours to appear. And it is mind-boggling that there are seven different versions of how Bush learned about the first crash.

    It's doubtful that the Independent Commission investigation will look critically at what Bush did on 9/11 and why he did it. Despite the contradictory reports, no one in the mainstream media has yet demanded clarification of the many obvious inconsistencies and problems of the official version. Anyone even asking questions has been quickly insulted as anti-American, accused of bashing the president in a time of war, or branded a conspiracy nut. Only a few relatives of the 9/11 attacks have been able to raise these issues publicly. For instance, Kristen Breitweiser told Phil Donahue: "It was clear that we were under attack. Why didn't the Secret Service whisk [Bush] out of that school? ... [H]e is the commander-in-chief of the United States of America, our country was clearly under attack, it was after the second building was hit. I want to know why he sat there for 25 minutes." [Donahue, 8/13/02 ] But so far, few have listened to their concerns.

    Because the media has failed in its role to ask these questions, much less attempt to answer them, it is now the responsibility of ordinary Americans - of you, of me, and the people we know - to gather the information, look for answers, and sound the alarm."

    http://globalresearch.ca/articles/WOO305A.html

    Russell Brand doesn't really drive home how bad Christians are for the environment when he misses how many of this cult would love to see Armageddon so they could be proven correct after all the failures and lies about it. And how many of those saying they are Christian are really sharing the same religious concepts? Good to see some people starting to say they are not Christian or believers in boogeymen.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1QsBydzcyw&spfreload=1
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    A friend I made in Philadelphia who ran WCAU radio told me his employer paid researchers of the highest acclaim to discover the truth behind Betsy Ross, Pearl Harbor and Paul Revere. His employer was Westinghouse Broadcasting and it was the year after the bicentennial. The Veteran's of Foreign Wars and The American Legion were outraged at the facts they uncovered. These fine people said "We need our heroes." I say we need less brainwashing and more movies like 'Gangs of New York'.

    "This account of the creation of our first flag was first brought to light in 1870 by one of her grandsons, William J. Canby, at a meeting of the Historical Society of Pennsylvania. This took place 94 years after the event supposedly took place! Mr. Canby was a boy of eleven years when Mrs. Ross died in his home.

    In the many years since the story was told, numerous historians have conducted vigorous searches into extant government records, personal diaries,and writings of Washington and his contemporaries and none of them have been able to verify the claims of Canby. One verifiable fact is this; the minutes of the State Navy Board of Pennsylvania for May 29, 1777, say in part "An order on William Webb to Elizabeth Ross for fourteen pounds twelve shillings, and two pence, for making ship's colours,&c, put into Richards store". The minutes show that Elizabeth Ross made ship's colors for Pennsylvania state ships. Some of the facts, among others, that have been discovered by this research that cast doubt on Canby's claim are these; He asserted that the stars and stripes were in common if not general use soon after the signing of the Declaration of Independence, nearly a year before the resolution of Congress proclaiming the flag. There is no record of the flag being discussed or of a committee being appointed for the design of the flag in either the Journals of the Continental Congress or the diaries and writings of Washington around this time. Meetings with Colonel Ross and Robert Morris cannot be documented. Further, it is illogical to assume that Washington was present at the alleged meeting with Betsy Ross on the design of the flag when it is known that he wanted a national standard made for the use of the army in 1779.

    But I think that the question that begs to be asked is; Why have so many generations of Americans come to accept this legend as fact? After Canby's death, a book written by his brother George Canby and nephew Lloyd Balderson was published in 1909. The book, The Evolution of the American Flag, presented in more detail the claims for Betsy Ross made by William Canby in 1870. Among other things, the authors describe the formation of the Betsy Ross Memorial Association, and reproduced a painting by Charles H. Weisgerber depicting the alleged meeting of the committee of Congress with Betsy Ross. The picture, entitled Birth of Our Nations Flag, is actually a composite portrait made up of from pictures of her granddaughters and other decendants. The artist took liberties with history by painting the stars in the flag in a circle. This painting, incidently, stirred a great deal of public interest in the subject when it was first exibited, at the Columbian Exposition in Chicago in 1893. Following this, money to purchase the Betsy Ross house in Philadelphia was raised by selling ten-cent subscriptions to the American Flag House and Betsy Ross Memorial Association, incorporated in 1898. Each contributor received a certificate of membership that included a picture of the house, her grave in Mt. Moriah Cemetery in Philadelphia, and a color reproduction of the Weisberger painting. This campaign gave the legend wide publicity and the Weisberger painting was reproduced in school history textbooks thoughout the United States!

    In the days of Betsy Ross we did not have the benefit of a frenetic press corps to witness, probe, and record the events of the day. Careful historians do not accept the legend and neither should we. At the same time, there often seems to be a wistful regret, best expressed, perhaps, by President Woodrow Wilson when asked his opinion of the story. He replied, "Would that it were true!""

    http://www.usflag.org/about.betsy.ross.html
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    I do not know if you know about Gehlen and other activities in the post war era falsely called a Cold War. It was in fact a Hegelian Dialectic manoeuvre which Eisenhower addresses in his Military-Industrial Complex speech. It is in a scroll in the Movie JFK if memory serves.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinhard_Gehlen

    I met a former member of the Waffen SS about 18 years ago in Belize. He was in charge of the German Auto Club in Canada and he read a book I had done on the Pyramids. He was from Toronto and familiar with some artistic work my company had done. I suspect his wife was a Krupp, she was there but after a couple of times she did not come with him to talk with me. ITT and Krupp as well as many other German industrialists had strong ties in America. You could go so far as to say these international cronies funded both Hitler and the rise of tyranny in Russia (NOT communism). Prescott Bush was one of the people found guilty by US courts. Oh enough about that, I have covered it here already I think. (Search Manchurian Candidate stuff for Jupiter Island)

    We talked openly about secret associations or Brain Trusts which were warranted due to the total lack of transparency and outright denial of facts. That denial included Nuremberg Trials refusal to allow reasonable defenses showing American and British backing of Hitler as well as the use of mind control methods co-developed by all parties. He agreed that his Auto Club was just a front, he confirmed or was surprised to hear I knew about his neighbors at the Bayview Country Club and how I used that knowledge to thwart an attempt on my life or my company. That is where the Mafia head honchos met. Toronto today has a lot of top worldwide Mafia types living in Woodbridge. Laws were created clandestinely to protect them. If anyone wants to know more I can wax eloquent on it and the Iron Duke, Francis Cutaiah (sp), Morton Schulman and more.

    This link takes you to Gehlen's Organization and proof of major efforts I suspect he knew full well about. In fact I think he was a member. I have also posted a link to the Circle or Le Cirque (Not the great New York restaurant.) which included Konrad Adenauer mentioned in this report of 60 year old documents confirming things I discussed with my Belizean German friend.

    "The new discovery was brought about by a coincidence. Historian Agilolf Kesselring found the documents -- which belonged to the Gehlen Organization, the predecessor to the current foreign intelligence agency -- while working for an Independent Historical Commission hired by the BND to investigate its early history. Similar commissions have been hired by a number of German authorities in recent years, including the Finance and Foreign Ministries to create an accurate record of once hushed-up legacies.

    Kesselring uncovered the documents, which were given the strange title of "Insurances," while trying to determine the number of workers employed by the BND.

    Instead of insurance papers, Kesselring stumbled upon what can now be considered the most significant discovery of the Independent Historical Commission. The study he wrote based on the discovery was released this week.

    An Ease in Undermining Democracy

    The file is incomplete and thus needs to be considered with some restraint. Even so, its contents testify to the ease with which democratic and constitutional standards could be undermined in the early years of West Germany's existence.

    According to the papers, German Chancellor Konrad Adenauer didn't find out about the existence of the paramilitary group until 1951, at which point he evidently did not decide to break it up."


    http://www.spiegel.de/international/...-a-969015.html

    Some day soon I will discuss an OSS (retired as General and brother of a four star general) who provided me so much about Kennedy and Bush along with an inside man at a Cabot and Lodge institution who gave me more five years later, when I returned to the Northeast.
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    "The British are coming" never rang through the air on the night a drunken Paul Revere managed to get on his horse facing the correct way (for a change). There is a plaque honoring the person most responsible for warning the minutemen which I have seen I think it refers to Dawes. But there were others as you will see.

    "Revere did spread the word, but there were several riders that night. He did not act alone. As far as "The British are coming," doubt it highly!

    "The role for which he (Revere) is most remembered today was as a night-time messenger before the battles of Lexington and Concord. His famous "Midnight Ride" occurred on the night of April 18/April 19, 1775, when he and William Dawes were instructed by Dr. Joseph Warren to ride from Boston to Lexington to warn John Hancock and Samuel Adams of the movements of the British army, which was beginning a march from Boston to Lexington, ostensibly to arrest Hancock and Adams and seize the weapons stores in Concord.

    Many twentieth century historians have criticized that Longfellow's poem overstates the role of Revere in the night's events, often citing the ride of Israel Bissell, who traveled 345 miles compared to Revere's nineteen. Historian Ray Raphael, in his book "Founding Myths", mentions a number of other unsung messengers, such as Samuel Tufts of East Cambridge, Dr. Martin Herrick of Medford, and other messengers who set out from Medford and Charlestown."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Revere

    The most important thing to know is that he did not ride while yelling anything. He delivered a message directly to Hancock and Adams.

    All of this confusion is from a poem. People conjure up their own visions because of the beautiful way Longfellow describes, in his words, that supposed night.

    http://poetry.eserver.org/paul-revere.html


    Editor's note:
    It may be important to note as well that the "quote" (as such) does not actually appear anywhere in Longfellow's poem 'Paul Revere's Ride'. - McG"


    http://www.funtrivia.com/askft/Question82834.html

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    Would an altruistic person engage in rape or pedophilia?

    "Organized religion is a cornerstone of spiritual community and culture around the world. Religion, especially religious education, also attracts secular support because many believe that religion fosters morality. A majority of the United States believes that faith in a deity is necessary to being a moral person.

    In principle, religion’s emphasis on morality can smooth wrinkles out of the social fabric. Along those lines, believers are often instructed to act selflessly towards others. Islam places an emphasis on charity and alms-giving, Christianity on loving your neighbor as yourself. Taoist ethics, derived from the qualities of water, include the principle of selflessness

    However, new research conducted in six countries around the world suggests that a religious upbringing may actually yield children who are less altruistic. Over 1000 children ages five to twelve took part in the study, from the United States, Canada, Jordan, Turkey, South Africa, and China. By finding that religious-raised children are less altruistic in the laboratory, the study alerts us to the possibility that religion might not have the wholesome effects we expect on the development of morality. The social practice of religion can complicate the precepts of a religious text. But in order to interpret these findings, we have to first look at how to test morality.

    In an experiment snappily named the dictator game, a child designated “dictator” is tested for altruistic tendencies. This dictator child is conferred with great power to decide whether to share stickers with others. Researchers present the child with thirty stickers and instruct her to take ten favorite stickers. The researchers carefully mention that there isn’t time to play this game with everyone, setting up the main part of the experiment: to share or not to share. The child is given two envelopes and asked whether she will share stickers with other children at the school who cannot play the game. While the researcher faces the wall, the child can slip some stickers into the donation envelope and some into the other envelope to keep.

    As the researchers expected, younger children were less likely to share stickers than older children. Also consistent with previous studies, children from a wealthier socioeconomic status shared more. More surprising was the tendency of children from religious households to share less than those from nonreligious backgrounds. When separated and analyzed by specific religion, the finding remained: children from both Christian and Muslim families on average shared less than nonreligious children. (Other religious designations were not represented in large enough numbers for separate statistical comparison.) Older kids from all backgrounds shared more than younger ones, but the tendency for religious children to share less than similar-aged children became more pronounced with age. The authors think this could be due to cumulative effects of time spent growing up in a religious household. While the large numbers of subjects strengthens the finding of a real difference between the groups of children, the actual disparity in typical sharing was about one sticker. We need to know if the gap in sticker sharing is meaningful in the real world.

    There are difficulties in devising experiments to look for religion’s effect on selflessness. Some would argue that childhood is the best age to study effects of a religious upbringing, when education’s effects may be more immediate and powerful. Others would argue that only as adults do we begin to use a mature moral compass, and this stage is more important. In adults, religiousness has been linked with greater charitable giving and generosity, but a common problem of these studies is relying on surveys. While surveys are useful for collecting information en masse, people may report giving more to charity because they believe in contributing, even if they didn’t live up to their own expectations. We all know our memories are less than perfect, and it’s possible that people who are regularly encouraged to perform charitable acts may overestimate their contributions on a survey. Clearly, the best way to study the issue is using experiments in which people actually share items (like stickers) or by looking at records of giving.

    The Chronicle of Philanthropy took the second approach by aggregating IRS charitable deductions to compare ZIP codes in terms of factors like religious identification, though the analysis was restricted to tax deductions and doesn’t tell us about individuals. By integrating statistics on religious affiliations of each area, the Chronicle’s study found that religious areas gave more to charity. What the data doesn’t tell is whether the extra contributions go to support local religious congregations and religious organizations. In the end, what do we call generosity to one’s own group?

    The Oxford English Dictionary defines altruism as “disinterested and selfless concern for the well-being of others,” but categorizing a behavior as entirely selfless has troubled scholars for years. Books like The Selfish Gene,published in 1976, brought to the public the idea that what seems like altruism may actually be selfish on a genetic level if the act of kindness is directed to closely-related individuals. A closely related individual bears similar genetic material, so helping relatives could be construed as “selfish” behavior if you imagine a gene helping its likeness housed in another body. Alternatively, expecting help in the future could lead a self-interested individual to “perform” altruism. He might gain the esteem of the community by helping others publicly, while consciously or unconsciously waiting for the good deeds to pay off.

    However, this strict terminology is not what we intend in everyday speech. Broadly, altruism is generosity. In the case of the current study, the researchers corralled altruism into donation of stickers to anonymous schoolmates. Perhaps a child refuses to donate stickers into an envelope so that he can take them home and share with his siblings or friends rather than a stranger. Does that qualify more as nepotism or generosity? If the children from religious backgrounds also happened to have more siblings, then the results might actually reveal a link between siblings and stickers. Correlation is a tricky indicator of causation, as we all know. Aside from this altruism test, are there other indicators of morality?

    Religion often instructs believers in forgiveness and moral justice. To test children’s reactions to interpersonal conflict, the researchers showed cartoons of people pushing or bumping one another. Researchers determined that Muslim children rated the pushing or bumping as more “mean” than Christian children did, and in turn Christian children rated the videos as more mean than nonreligious children. When asked to assign punishments for the pushing or bumping, Muslim children tended to assign higher punishments than Christian and nonreligious children."


    http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...less-altruism/

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    Rick on Pawn Stars mentioned on a show the other day (or his expert on coins and tokens) that the first US coin had "mind your business" on it. Now I remember, it was one of those three option questions. So, here we have that coin and it has the Heliopolitan sun of Druidry which Paine said was the origin of Masonry. Thomas Paine being the real founding father of the Enlightenment Experiment as far as I am concerned. He, Franklin and George Clymer were the local Council of Three from this hierarchy we can call Rosicrucian (though not like AMORC). Paine also is the person who crafted the Declaration though some places will say it was Jefferson (who was Illuminized) - Jefferson says he followed Paine's work.

    "On April 21, 1787, the Congress of the Confederation of the United States authorized a design for an official copper penny, later referred to as the Fugio cent because of its image of the sun shining down on a sundial with the caption, "Fugio" (Latin: I flee/fly)."

    I wonder what they were meaning with the word 'flee' or 'fly'? Wiki won't be a good enough source. I would imagine it means more than the obvious 'fleeing' from tyranny and more in line with the esoteric Phoenix bird which ties in with the Druidic and Heliopolitan (Phoenician) roots.
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    If you do not read all of the link which follows you will likely never know how correct Conor MacDari was - even though his nationalistic pride got the better of him.

    In the link which follows you will find support for my history stretching from the Ainu in Peru to Egypt and Malta. You will also learn a little of codes included on the top of the Pyramid on the back on the US greenback - the Eye of Horus or Third Eye which is the pineal gland on the caduceus and which allowed psychic power enhancements in all secret societies including Skull and Bones as we have demonstrated in many ways, many eras and with many peoples.

    "The pre-pharaonic past of Egypt remains a very great enigma because the question remains as to what exactly occurred during the mysterious period prior to 3000 BC, date of the appearance of the first official pharaoh known as Menes-Narmer. At that time, in a few decades, without any warning, there suddenly appeared in a surprisingly perfect form, writing, perfect pyramids, erudite astronomy, technical skills and knowledge - everything that goes with a very sophisticated civilization. And it all seems to have arrived very quickly.

    As the English Egyptologist Toby Wilkinson put it so well: "They seem to have no ancestors or periods of development, they seem to have appeared overnight." The French authority Gaston Maspero (1846-1916) comments about the Egyptian texts: "The religion and the texts which made it known to us were already established before the first dynasty. In order to understand them it is up to us to put ourselves in the frame of mind of the people who constructed them, more than seven thousand years ago." (Revue de l'Histoire des Religions, vol. XIX, p.12). Yes, that's what it says: "before the first dynasty"!

    AN INCREDIBLE DIVINE LEGACY


    The ancient Egyptians viewed their civilization as a legacy coming directly from divine beings who existed in Egypt thousands of years before the pharaonic dynasties that we know about. The papyrus of Turin (or more exactly the royal canon displayed at the museum of Egyptology of Turin), written in hieroglyphics and dating back to Ramses II, presents a list of all the pharaohs who reigned in the land of Egypt.

    This list includes not only the historical pharaohs, but also the "divine pharaohs who came from elsewhere" who reigned before the first dynasty of Menes. We are also told that this preceding lineage reigned for 13,420 years!

    It's hard to overlook this, yet a kind of consensual omerta reigns on this subject in official circles, which prefer to regard this lineage as mythical, thus making the subject easier to evade.

    Actually 160 fragments of this document were taken to Turin by the Italian Drovetti, French Consul in Egypt in 1822, though strangely enough certain fragments representing the whole beginning of the list are missing. In his day the brilliant Champollion was aware of the true importance of this document in establishing accurate dating.

    The basalt Palermo stele from the Old Kingdom, on the faces of which were inscribed the annals of the reigns of the high Egyptian period (the Ist-5th dynasties). Several incomplete fragments of this stele have been found, the most important being preserved in the museum of Palermo in Sicily.


    Fortunately the Palermo stele also cites these so-called "mythical" pre-dynastic kings going back thousands of years. It refers to Horus himself as having reigned over the land of Egypt. According to Manetho, Thoth reigned approximately from 8670 to 7100 BC, "after the night of the battle". Hesiod, the renowned historian and moralist living at the time of Homer (8thC BC), obtained most of the information he recorded in his Theogamy, a genealogy of the dynasties known as celestial that reigned on Earth, from the Egyptian high priests.

    The Egyptian High Priest Manetho (Ma-n-Thoth) from Sebennytos in the Delta, Master of the Secrets (3rdC BC), who had access to the library of Alexandria and who wrote for the pharaoh a history of Egypt in Greek in 30 volumes, the Aegiptiaca, also cited these pre-dynastic dynasties of divine origin.

    What is curious but significant is that today's Egyptologists still use Manetho's dating, which is considered perfectly reliable for everything related to the "officially" recognized dynasties; but they carefully avoid anything that relates to the prehistoric dynasties, while still regarding him as the "Father" of Egyptology! Strange intellectual acrobatics in order to remain "politically correct"! Mainstream Egyptology avoids talking much about Manetho, because they find some of the details he gives extremely disturbing.

    Manetho wrote for example that according to the stelae coming from the gods of the first (real) dynasty, more than 20,000 works were attributed to Thoth (Tehuti, Hermes). He also reported that these same gods reigned from 33,894 to 23,642 BC. It must be said that this is more than a little disturbing, coming from one whose work is the basis for the entire official chronology of the dynasties recognized as authentic. How handy it is to take some of the facts provided and ignore others that don't fit into our mindset … However Champollion, who had read many original texts, endowed as he was with a sense of flair and extraordinary genius, recognized the existence of at least 42 of these books of Thoth: "There are altogether 42 principal books of Hermes [Thoth] including 36 presenting the whole of Egyptian philosophy, which are studied by the priests of the upper classes." (L'Egypte Ancienne, Paris)

    Manetho gives us very interesting details on the dynasties called "divine", which he divides into three categories: Gods, Heroes, and "Manes". He also explains that the category of the Gods was divided into seven sections, each having a god at its head, including Horus, Anubis, Thoth, Ptah, Osiris and Ra, and that "these gods who originated from Earth then became celestial and associated with the stars as they reached heaven". (It does indeed say "originating from Earth" - and there is undoubtedly much to be discovered in the subterranean realms of our planet.) Next are the Heroes, beings with supernatural terrestrial powers, and finally the "Manes" (also called "Khus"), glorious beings corresponding to the spirits of ancestors revered in other cultures. Osiris himself says, in The Book of Coming Out by Day: "The tunnels of the Earth gave me birth." And according to Plutarch, who wrote a very erudite work on the cult of Isis and Osiris, "Ra departed to the heavens and Osiris became pharaoh of Egypt with Isis and they built Thebes [the present Luxor]". Finally there are many pre-dynastic genealogies cited by many serious scholars of the early years of our era, like that of Eusebius, {Covered by my muse Conor MacDari as is much of this whole article.} bishop of Caesarea in Palestine, and that of the most important Byzantine chronicler, Syncellus, residing also in Palestine.


    Unimaginably Long Reigns


    All these sources speak to us about a lineage of gods who reigned each one for several hundreds of years, for a total of 23,200 years, then of a list of "Shemsu Hor", called "Followers of Horus", who reigned for 13,400 years. Then come the names of the "normal" Pharaohs whom we know. The fact that divine and semi-divine sovereigns could each have reigned hundred of years is unacceptable in our view of things, but we should ask ourselves why we accept without flinching the hundreds of years of life of the people and prophets of the Bible, such as Enoch who lived over 360 years. Many factors explaining a much slower aging process can be understood today through science: different terrestrial gravity, lower density, or better protected or different DNA, or other ways of measuring time. There are many theories that could justify such life spans.

    It was during the period of the strange Shemsu Hor (from 4000 BC) - these "companions of Horus" described wearing masks of falcon or wolf, whom we imagine to be the initiators of the Pharaonic dynasties (though as we shall see they were not really so) - that there suddenly appeared an unequalled degree of sophistication and a remarkable civilization in its entire splendour.

    It was the researcher and philosopher Schwaller de Lubicz (1887-1961) who, to my knowledge, generally "imposed" the translation of "Shemsu Hor" as "Followers of Horus", which has been taken up by thousands of others since. He thus understood that very advanced people arrived in Egypt at prehistoric times and suddenly brought all the knowledge. Following this widely held belief many authors, including the prolific Zecharia Sitchin (thinking that it referred to the Annunaki who had arrived first in Sumer), thought and wrote that this advance was due to the sudden arrival of beings from elsewhere, some kind of extraterrestrials. However, it is not only wrong and far more complicated than that, but it is even more extraordinary."



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