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    Terraforming and Elon Musk

    When I was growing up my father said Venus could become more atmospherically hospitable if we exploded nuclear devices on it's surface. He said the methane gas there would be ideal for making an atmosphere to protect the surface which is bombarded with heat from the sun.

    My father was a very educated man in his day and had achieved a 200 mark on the military IQ test (out of 212). He was offerred a job at Canada's nuclear flagship - Chalk River, but the entry level pay he was offered did not match what he was earning as a production controller.

    Now, I see Elon Musk wants to explode such devices over the poles of Mars. I applaud him!

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...ng-nuking-mars

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    Here is my response to a person on Vigilant Citizen where few people know how to think and most are religious fruitcakes.

    Dear Creeper

    All good points but I see it this way.

    The radiation effects will be localized as they are on earth - the dust storms will abate as the atmosphere develops.

    The life underground is microbial and I had this debate on Astronomy MSN groups over ten years ago. At that time the experts said there was no life or even water on Mars. I presented facts in rocks found in Texas and Canada from about a year before. They debated whether it was from Mars or came there then got re-sent here - etc.

    There were people so dense they made those rocks seem almost the consistency of water - not unlike most people who are teachers, professors and engineers or experts who have been told what to think rather than learn how to think. I learned this from my genius father before I went to school. I can remember debating Is God Dead with a man named Art Drinkwater and my father (Jim we called him - which he liked rather than being put in a titular position of authority.). Drinkwater owned a well drilling company and was helping us get water as we worked making a well through solid blue clay, to be the first people with indoor plumbing. You should browse for The Testing Industry and put my name in, if you want a greater insight to our education fiasco.

    Is God Dead was all the rage in the decade before freedom from religion and indoctrination for religions was ended. Drinkwater chuckled and said ``“ut of the mouths of babes``. I was only four and began Grade one about two months later due to there being no kindergarten that year and my father got me in a year earlier so I would not have to waste a full two years in school. Kindergarten was planned to start the year after where I lived just outside Toronto. Jim then said ``Do not patronize my boy....`` Art said little but looked amused or befuddled. Jim said ``He knows how to question authority and think better than you do.`` Art said ``How can you say that.``

    My father told him to get off his property and never step foot on it again, with emphasis.

    The terraforming discussions continued at the two top astronomy sites, and a bleed over to other sites where physics professors held court. I presented what others were saying about how we could get Mars to the point where we could walk on it without space suits in 50 years if we spent the budget of NASA each of those years. Methods included space reflectors to heat up the surface. We have since discovered a great deal more water there and everywhere else. The use of Helium Three and mining which also has been recently put forward is possibly a great improvement as well. One estimate went - in 150 years we would have Martian Life including flora and fauna. Now we face only one big problem - to make it all happen - shield technology to get there. Elon has said he wants to retire to Mars, and I hope he succeeds where other people who cannot think never will. Alcubierre and NASA may have an answer I have touted for two or three decades - faster than light travel. I got it from action-at-a-distance in occult experience, plus a lot of Godel and some Einstein. The benefit of this approach is a space-time bubble wave generator which puts the craft inside the bubble with the shielding benefits so resulting. That might be available in 50 years if it can actually work - there are different approaches and I was promoting Ion Propulsion with Ram Jet inclusion to build slowly up to warp speed.

    Your comment about Venus is the usual - again, remember the atmosphere created by the methane and Hydrogen Bombs would reduce the surface temperature substantially. Probably not enough for human habitation of any sort. But we could use robots and machines to mine it.

    The big unknown for me in what Elon is suggesting has to do with genetic mutations (which have happened here on Earth) and what level of effect would they have on any life we built up in the terraforming process. I do not know the answer to that but I trust he has considered it, and others will ensure it gets considered.

    Europa is a possibility and it has loads of water, but terraforming it will not solve the issue of heat in the atmosphere enough to make what can result on Mars become a reality - I could be wrong - do you have some reference addressing that.

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    Nuclear fusion is a reality and it could be allowed to run rampant for a few years to heat up the atmosphere of Mars or it's polar regions. Maybe it would be something worth considering alongside other ideas.

    http://inhabitat.com/worlds-largest-...er-this-month/

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    Michio Kaku sees a cheap way to terraform Mars but it will take centuries unless we use nuclear power or a very costly process.

    "Michio Kaku: Letís be blunt. It will take centuries to terraform Mars. Mars is a gigantic planet, roughly on the order of half the size of the planet Earth. The key is not to bring pumps to the planet Mars because it costs too much money. The way to do it is to take advantage of Marsí own topology, geography and nature.

    Beneath the surface of Mars is lots of carbon dioxide. If you could heat up the planet a little bit that will release carbon dioxide and initiate a greenhouse effect, which will then melt more ice and let more carbon dioxide come up, so in other words, you have an autocatalytic effect. You just have to jumpstart it. Once you jumpstart it more carbon dioxide creates more temperature. It heats up the planet, which releases more carbon dioxide.

    So then the question is how do you jumpstart it? A number of mechanisms have been proposed; greenhouse effects, hydrogen bombs, nuclear power plants to raise the temperature of Mars a little bit and that will then set off a chain reaction releasing even more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. Thatís the cheapest way to take advantage of the carbon dioxide that already exists rather than hauling pumps and generators from the Earth to Mars."

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