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    Know Jesus - Know Rome; No Rome - No Jesus

    Mr. Atwill is on a good path but there was a title called Iesa (Jesus) and the family he belonged to (Yeshua) was a powerful family for many millennia. When he gets back to the Great Pyramid he will be close to grasping how important Jesus (Iesa) really is. But for now it is good to set the record straight about the Gospels being Roman propaganda.

    https://www.youtube.com/user/caesarsmessiah

    The Watchman Fellows have a summary you might find valuable, even though it does not address what scholars know about Rome and propaganda.

    http://www.watchman.org/profiles/pdf...ismprofile.pdf
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    A very religious and some think a good Christian site tells us the Eucharist is central to all rituals and mysteries. Remember the priests sometimes know more about these rituals and their origins than the sheople do. Some of them have engaged in the blood rituals which Count Vlad (hero of Catholicism who protected all of Europe) did.

    "THE feast of the Transfiguration of our Lord on Thabor is a beautiful feast. Let us say a few words about its relations to the Eucharistic transfiguration. All the mysteries have some relation to the Eucharist, for the Eucharist completes them all..."
    http://www.catholictradition.org/Euc...presence45.htm

    You can browse for how the Vampires describe transfiguration for more insight to what the faithful actually give their soulful energy to. I have already posted a link to an article I wrote titled They Want your Menstruum and The Star-Fire Ritual at the Dragon website. The sharing of blood transfers genetic knowledge from adept to succubae or initiate in the art of a Nos Feratu. That is what the Last Supper is all about, but none of those apostles really got a great deal of knowledge as portrayed by Rome in their propaganda you correctly call the Gospels.
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    If you actually study and learn you might be able to participate in stopping the wars and racism which come out of falsehoods in religions.

    The power over non-religious people who wish this to end or the power over the brainwashed sheep must be diminished at a minimum - or we can be pretty certain some level of Armageddon will be forthcoming - they actually want this. Who are THEY? THEY are the ignorant!

    The OP demonstrates a little of the facts we can be certain of in reference to the Roman religion which is what any who believe in the NEW Testament follow - not just Catholics.

    I have not read the following book which was not available when I wrote many books on the points he addresses. It seems to mirror my points as well as his other book The Invention of the Jewish People. (See threads on the Diaspora, Hyksos and Exodus for a sampling).

    One reviewer says if people knew what is written in these books we might see an end to all the Holy lies and liars - but it will take more than all people learning history to begin to find any truth in all religions.

    "“Anyone interested in understanding the contemporary Middle East should read this book.”—Tony Judt, In praise of The Invention of the Jewish People

    “Perhaps books combining passion and erudition don’t change political situations, but if they did, this one would count as a landmark.”—Eric Hobsbawm, In praise of The Invention of the Jewish People

    “A thought-provoking, readable, and important work.”—Publisher's Weekly

    “... there is much to enjoy and learn in the evidence in the potentially incendiary material [Shlomo Sand] assembles here.”—Electronic Intifada

    “[Sand] critically consider the ways in which the Zionist colonization of Palestine and the establishment of the State of Israel have been justified by claims of ancestral lands, historical rights, and millennia-old national yearnings, all of which he proceeds to critically undermine as either justifiable reasons for mastery over the land of Palestine/Israel or even representative of longstanding mass Jewish aspirations.”—Book News

    “This groundbreaking new historical work from a highly controversial author undoes the myth of the Jewish people’s historical right to the ‘Land of Israel.’”—SirReadaLot.org

    About the Author

    Shlomo Sand studied history at the University of Tel Aviv and at the École des hautes études en sciences sociales, in Paris. He currently teaches contemporary history at the University of Tel Aviv. His books include The Invention of the Jewish People, On the Nation and the Jewish People, L’Illusion du politique: Georges Sorel et le débat intellectuel 1900, Georges Sorel en son temps, Le XXe siècle à l’écran and Les Mots et la terre: les intellectuels en Israël."
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    As stated in the following link there are an unending list of authors and facts that prove the New Testament Gospels are a fraud and the re-writing done on the Bible is a verdant cesspool of murders, codes and deceits. Paul/Saul ranks alongside King James for murderer of the era of Empire and it is their and Rome's Reich to which so many holocausts and crusades owe their genesis. Yes, name the genocide in every era - the Bible is found front and center, except maybe in the Pol Pot regime which is an outgrowth of the Bush drug war for their Russell family bosses who are responsible for the Opium Wars and Shrub (who speaks with or for God).

    http://carrington-arts.com/cliff/FlavPreface.htm

    But the truth of those named Jesus is far greater and more miraculous (scientifically) than any myth written in the annals of recorded history. The records of those named Jesus were destroyed by usurpers, robbers and worse for over five millennia James Joyce correctly asserts is most foul and dastardly.

    http://bloggerjesuscristo.blogspot.c...8_archive.html
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    From the thread Jesus in India - here and from about five years ago. Also there are quotes from Philip Gardiner saying things Philip and I discussed before he wrote his book Gnosis which was promted by the top Gnostic people we knew.

    http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/book.html

    Did Jesus ever live?


    Sir John Wilkinson pointed out that 'the first cross found in Egypt belonging to the Christians is not the cross which we know from the Gospel, but the Crux Ansata, the Ankh-sign of life.'(1) The supposed emblem and proof of 'a crucified Christ is purely Egyptian, and has no relation, either direct, or typical, to crucifixion, which has been all along ignorantly assumed to give its significance to the cross. The Ankh-sign proves the Christians to have belonged to the Osirian religion originally, the Christ of which was Horus, the Christ who was continued by the Gnostics.'(2)


    Ancient Rome had ridiculed the first Christians because 'of their ignorance of the past and the true nature of their religious symbols, which they had come by they knew not how, nor when.'(3) It took seven centuries from the supposed birth of Jesus till the Council of Trullo 'to transform the typical and mythological cross (once and for all) into an historical one.'(4) And it was not till the Nineteenth Century that the first scholars started doubting the notion of an historical Jesus. And not until 1834 that Rochette 'conclusively showed that the most ancient images of the Virgin and Christ were of Gnostic fabrication; and that the Gnostic Christ was not an historical personage.'(5)


    I understand that churches still cling to an historical Christ, but I am shocked to see that even open minded people in the spiritual west, people publishing at World Mysteries for example, still accept a Christ of history. It was about time they understood that no such person ever lived and that the Gospel is but 'a vehicle for alchemy.'


    (See http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/scholars.html for instance.)

    Betty Martin at World Mysteries
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    Paine - “One good schoolmaster is of more use than a hundred priests.”

    Ingersoll - “Give me the storm and tempest of thought and action, rather than the dead calm of ignorance and faith! Banish me from Eden when you will; but first let me eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge!”

    Voltaire - “Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.”

    Whitman - “I like the scientific spirit—the holding off, the being sure but not too sure, the willingness to surrender ideas when the evidence is against them: this is ultimately fine—it always keeps the way beyond open—always gives life, thought, affection, the whole man, a chance to try over again after a mistake—after a wrong guess.”

    Edison - "Moral teaching is the thing we need most in this world, and many of these men could be great moral teachers if they would but give their whole time to it, and to scientific search for the rock-bottom truth, instead of wasting it upon expounding theories of theology which are not in the first place firmly based. What we need is search for fundamentals, not reiteration of traditions born in days when men knew even less than we do now.

    Camus - “Men are never convinced of your reasons, of your sincerity, of the seriousness of your sufferings, except by your death. So long as you are alive, your case is doubtful; you have a right only to their skepticism.”

    Jefferson - “If we could believe that he [Jesus] really countenanced the follies, the falsehoods, and the charlatanism which his biographers [Gospels] father on him, and admit the misconstructions, interpolations, and theorizations of the fathers of the early, and the fanatics of the latter ages, the conclusion would be irresistible by every sound mind that he was an impostor... We find in the writings of his biographers matter of two distinct descriptions. First, a groundwork of vulgar ignorance, of things impossible, of superstitions, fanaticisms and fabrications... That sect [Jews] had presented for the object of their worship, a being of terrific character, cruel, vindictive, capricious and unjust... Jesus had to walk on the perilous confines of reason and religion: and a step to right or left might place him within the gripe of the priests of the superstition, a blood thirsty race, as cruel and remorseless as the being whom they represented as the family God of Abraham, of Isaac and of Jacob, and the local God of Israel. They were constantly laying snares, too, to entangle him in the web of the law... That Jesus did not mean to impose himself on mankind as the son of God, physically speaking, I have been convinced by the writings of men more learned than myself in that lore.

    [Letter to William Short, 4 August, 1820]”

    I suspect this Short is the son or grandson of a man who was sent from England to teach him Newton's alchemy for one year when Thomas was at William and Mary.


    Ingersoll - “Not one of the orthodox ministers dare preach what he thinks if he knows a majority of his congregation think otherwise. He knows that every member of his church stands guard over his brain with a creed, like a club, in his hand. He knows that he is not expected to search after the truth, but that he is employed to defend the creed. Every pulpit is a pillory, in which stands a hired culprit, defending the justice of his own imprisonment.”
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    What follows might disappear in the usual bait and switch Google tactic so please look up the book yourself if that happens - here is the title. THE BOOK OF DJEHUTI
    By José Miguel Báez

    https://books.google.ca/books?id=8TZ...QpqICh2TGA3w#v

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    There is a lot worth considering herein.

    http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php?title=Legends2

    I wonder if the reason there are so many Christians comes from the fact that they are given great power by their Scriptures without ever having to study or do any in depth wisdom acquisition/ I also wonder if the quoted passages which follow gives people a power over the actual students of the Bible and it's origins (such as myself). They have called me "the Devil Incarnate" more than a few times.

    On Fleeing Persecution 10.2 (believers given power over demons) can just as easily derive from Mark 6:7 and elsewhere. See table in section 4.3.1 for obvious alternative sources.

    There are many Ptolemies and I confess I do not know most of them. The one who was put in charge of Egypt by Alexander and who was an alchemist that created a storehouse of books and knowledge we call the Great Library of Alexandria is most important. But Claudius Ptolemy made many maps that support the Roman world view which became a substantial part of the ignorance behind Romanism - not Christianity in truth. There were other foul renditions of an earth with the Pope at the center of the universe promulgated that kept many in fear of monsters at the edge of the earth.

    http://www.amazon.com/The-Geography-...KDSCQQX853TRSA

    I consider the following book a find of some value and I just might spend serious time reading it. There is an entry in the index which includes a Ptolemy who was the son of Alexander, is this true? I know it is true that up until the total indoctrination of most Christians in the seventh century that Alexander was considered an equal to the Jesus of the Gospels. Are they both amalgams of people with the same names and titles? There is an Alexander who is defeated by a Ptolemy and this Alexander if a King of the Jews.

    https://books.google.ca/books?id=Bkh...ter%22&f=false
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    http://www.cwrc-rz.org/analysisofdi.html.

    "Analysis of Dominus Iesus

    Brief History


    Many of you are now familiar with a flurry of ecumenical endeavours on the part of Catholic and Protestant churchmen. One document that recently caused lively debate is "Evangelicals and Catholics Together" (1994), a document signed by such leading Evangelicals as J.I. Packer and Charles Colson in which past differences between the divided communions were verbally minimized so that steps toward ultimate unity might be accomplished. Recently, the Vatican has responded to these ecumenical efforts, indirectly, with a document entitled "Declaration Dominus Iesus" (DI) (September 5, 2000) presented by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger and approved by the "magisterium" of the Roman Church. This document outlines the direction in which Rome intends to proceed in ongoing dialogue with those outside the Roman Church. It re-affirms Rome's so called supremacy in matters of salvation, faith and practice. Timothy George, who is Dean of Beeson Divinity School at Samford University and the executive editor of Christianity Today, welcomes the document on the grounds that, "In an unusual way it is an encouragement to the kind of ecumenism we ought to be engaged in." As George goes on to explain, "In some ecumenical circles, the barometer of conviction has fallen so low that it no longer registers the temperature of truth." Clearly then, Dominus Iesus has presented itself with conviction and certainty.

    What then is the conviction that the document is seeking to express? The answer is the necessity mentioned by Paul in I Cor. 9:16, to preach the Gospel! (The Gospel here would not be what Paul, or we, would understand by the Gospel but rather how the Roman Catholic Church perceives the Gospel according to her own peculiar tenets). To quote from Para. 2 of DI, "This explains the Magisterium's particular attention to giving reasons for and supporting the evangelizing mission of the Church, above all in connection with the religious traditions of the world." In other words, the document is primarily addressed not to recent attempts at ecumenism but rather to a desire to confront modern society, awash in relativism, with the absolute claims of the Christ of the Roman Catholic Church. While recognizing faint glints of "truth" in other religions, the document claims that the full truth is confined to the Roman Church. It closes on this note, "We believe the one true religion continues to exist in the Catholic and Apostolic Church, to which our Lord Jesus Christ entrusted the task of spreading it among all the people."

    Now, no one can quarrel with the intent of the document, as Catholics are certainly entitled to their convictions and to challenge the world to examine them. As has been mentioned, the document says little about the status of present ecumenical endeavours and inter-church relationships. Further, we can be thankful for DI because it sets out in no uncertain terms how Rome perceives herself in relation to other religions and other Christian expressions. With no pretence at dissembling, Rome explicitly declares her estimation of other Christian Churches. Under the section heading "Unicity and Unity of the Church", DI states that,


    ...the Church of Christ, despite the divisions which exist among Christians, continues to exist fully only in the Catholic Church, and on the other hand, that 'outside of her structure, many elements can be found of sanctification and truth' (1) that is, in those Churches and ecclesial communities which are not yet in full communion with the Catholic Church. But with respect to these, it needs to be stated that 'they derive their efficacy from the very fullness of grace and truth entrusted to the Catholic Church.

    The Athenians at Mars' Hill should have felt cheated, had this been true. Nonetheless, is this not what Rome has always taught?" And the answer is yes. While we may marvel at "the mystery of iniquity", we also marvel at how slow present day evangelicals are to admit the totalitarian nature of the Roman Church. The Roman Church has by and large made herself into a substitute for God. As B. B. Warfield puts it in his treatise, The Plan of Salvation, "In a word, the Church in this system is conceived to be Jesus Christ himself in his earthly form, and it is therefore substituted for him as the proximate object of the faith of Christians" (Warfield, 54). Warfield reminds us that in Catholic thought the God of salvation is largely deistic. He, God, has provided the means of salvation and then has given the whole matter of salvation over to the Church to offer salvation to all men through the mediatorial role entrusted to the Roman Catholic Church. The difference between Biblical Christianity and the Roman system needs to be clearly understood. In the Roman system salvation is found only through the mediation of the Church and the various things she has to offer for lost sinners. God has provided a way of salvation for all men but it is up to the Church to administer the means to as many men as she can reach. On the other hand, classic Protestantism in the form of pure evangelicalism, as Warfield so succinctly states, "...suspends the welfare of the soul directly, without any intermediaries at all, upon the grace of God alone." A failure to understand this fundamental difference will mean that all ecumenical talks will fail or Evangelicals will capitulate completely to Rome, which is Rome's avowed aim. The only other course would be for Rome to recognize its error and dismantle its whole superstructure, along with its vaunted claims, something that would be most unlikely."


    It is easy for me to say Iesus is Iesa which the Great pyramid of Iesa was built to symbolize - BROTHERHOOD. It is the opposite of a Church supplanting God (nature or reality) which Warfield correctly says Romanism has done.
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    It might just happen some day, we might throw off the coils of religious indoctrination into Empire and mind controlling terror and torture of our women and children by demons and Armageddon. It also might not.

    Continuing this biased Gnostic account from Kabbalah which is derivative of the earlier discipline we should pay homage to.

    "These teachings of Jewish Gnosticism (coming from Egypt) were so similar to those of Pagan Gnosticism that many Jews claimed that the great Pagan philosophers had originally received their wisdom from Moses. This condition continued into the Middle Ages. The Zohar, believed written by Moses de Leon in 1305 C.E., claimed to draw on the secret teachings of Simeon Ben Yohai, a rabbi of Galilee in the second century C.E., which were in turn said to have been drawn from the hidden wisdom of Moses. The medieval flowering of Kabbalah in the south of France {Cathars are Gnostic and ecumenical - see my books) in the 13th century was inspired by Jewish Gnostic tradition that had somehow survived from the first centuries (G. Scholem, Origins Of The Kabbalah, 1987). This belief encouraged Jews to enthusiastically embrace the philosophy and mythology of the Pagan Gnostics to augment their own tradition, producing a Miarge number of spiritual treatises which synthesized Pagan and Jewish motifs.

    The spirituality of the Therapeutae and Essenes is an example of this mixture of Jewish and Pagan Gnosticism. As well as being followers of their own Jewish master Moses, they were also followers of the great Pagan philosopher Pythagoras {The Druid}, whose disciples had set up communities throughout the Mediterranean world. The Jewish historian Josephus informs us that the Essenes are comparable to the Pythagoreans (Josephus, Antiquities of the Jews, 15.371). In creating the Gnostic Jesus Myth these Therapeutae-Essenes drew upon inter-testamental literature which had already been synthesized from Pagan and Jewish mythological motifs. These inter-testamental texts not only echo the Pagan Mysteries but also prefigures Christianity and by so doing forms a bridge between the two. For example motifs that prefigure Christianity are found in the Sibylline Oracles {Druidic priestesses} which look forward to the coming of "the Christ" and the Books of Enoch which anticipate the arrival of the "Son of Man" - a title that will be used to define Jesus in the New Testament.

    Philo, himself known as "the Pythagorean" (Josephus, The Jewish War, 2.8.10). Philo, himself a Pythagorean, describes the Therapeutae as practising "the contemplative life", which was a way of describing Pythagoreans (Clement of Alexandria, Clement of Alexandria, 1919, 1.15.72 and 2.19.100). Philo tells us their wisdom stems from Greece and that "this kind exists in many places in the inhabited world". The "contemplative life" is a term used to describe the life lived in the Pythagorean communities.

    Following the practice of the Cynic school of Pagan Gnosticism, these Jewish Gnostics called their spiritual tradition simply "the Way" - a term also adopted by the original Christians. "The Way" was a phrase used by Essenes, Cynics, and Christians to describe their faith (A. Ellegard, Jesus: One Hundred Years Before Christ, 1999, p. 167).

    Acts 9:2 2 And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem. (KJV)

    Answer for yourself: Are these Therapeuate-Essene-Pythagorean-Jews the earliest Christians we read about in the Book of Acts? It sure would appear so!

    Partly due to Philo's writings, the fourth-century Christian Literalist historian Eusebius saw so many similarities between the Way of the Therapeutae and the Christian Way that he claimed the Therapeutae were amongst the first followers of Christ.

    Answer for yourself: But when did Philo write of these Therapeutae? Before or after Jesus of the New Testament times?

    Philo's description of the Therapeutae was written before the time that Jesus is supposed to have been teaching, so Philo is clearly NOT writing about disciples of an historical Jesus or a historical Messiah, as Eusebius believed. Ironically, Eusebius was probably right nevertheless, albeit in an entirely different way from how he intended. The Essenes and Therapeutae did not follow Jesus. They created him!

    The idea of some sect "making up" the Jesus myth may seem strange today, but this is because we no longer think of myths in the same way as our ancestors did. To us myths are irrelevant fantasies, but the ancients regarded "myths" as profound allegories encoding mystical teachings. Mythical motifs represented philosophical principles. They were an archetypal vocabulary {Memes are not new!} with which to think. Creating new myths was a way of exploring new ideas.

    Reworking old myths and syncretizing them to create new ones was a major preoccupation of the Gnostics. Philo tells us that the Therapeutae were devoted to "philosophizing and interpreting their ancestral scriptures allegorically, for they think that the words of the literal meaning are symbols of a hidden nature which is made plain only by the undermeaning" (Philo, De Sept, 3.4, quoted in W. Kingsland, The Gnosis, 1937, p. 28). Imaginative mythologizing is also what the later Christian Gnostics specialized in. One of their critics condemns them for using "allegorical interpretation" to freely "recompose" Jewish scriptures and "Greek epic mythology" (Epiphanius, Pan., 26.1.4), which are precisely the two sources used to create the myths of Jesus and the Goddess."


    http://firstnewtestament.com/earlies...e_essene_7.htm

    In the millennia before his focus the Gnosis was maintained throughout the Mediterranean in Hermetic teachings by intellectuals who studied Thoth/Hermes or Imhotep/Asklepios (Same system - one Greek - one Roman).

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