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    Liberte, Egalite et Fraternite

    Liberte, Egalite et Fraternite

    Obama is quoting the mantra or slogan of the French Revolution shortly after the religious fundamentalist attacks on Paris this evening. He even pronounced it with the proper accents I cannot type. He went on to confuse the matter with the American constitutional phrase "the pursuit of happiness". Unfortunately that phrase is paramount in the political correctness of the present day which refutes any honest discourse about responsibility for what people say and do. I am specifically concerned with how religious deviates and extremists are allowed to foment apocalyptic or jihadist virulence into the media and schools as well as them having their right to beat and hide or enslave women in harems or cults like Opus Dei. It makes me very unhappy to see how it is not OK to have truth about the genocides wrought by religions talked about without charges of anti-Semitism or scapegoating the people of Germany for what most people have done during that era.

    David Ahenakew had his Order of Canada medal taken away and was charged with anti-Semitism after he spoke without a forked tongue in Durban before a World Conference on equality not long ago. He won his battle in the courts of Canada after two years of slander and libel against his position I can totally prove was correct from my documentation of history. My history is not "his"-story, it is about Brotherhood or Fraternite! Yes, I do know some of what he said was a little out of line and he graciously apologized after haggling about the real issues and going through immense pressures. Please do not repeat what he said unless you are willing to go through a lot of facts I will present. Most people simply enjoy getting on a pedestal and pulling their pants down - it seems. Unfortunately David did some of that too.

    France has taken action to prevent Islamists from forcing women to hide their bodies from the leering sexual deviates in their cult. Maybe this is why France is a major target for these attacks including what happened at Charlie Hebdo. Maybe it is just what the media tells us tonight. They say it is because France has attacked ISIS in the Middle East or Holy Land (so full of holes - from weapons and asses).

    France has also (along with Germany) taken efforts to outlaw Scientology - which is certainly a moral position I applaud - IF they also were fair in addressing every other religion! Instead France has almost made Catholicism or what I call Romanism into the state religion. THAT was not the case in the French Revolution! The Revolution outlawed religion and seized the assets of the Church.

    Adding to the work of Mary Rose D'Angelo in Vatican II we see some stories of women had to be covered over or made less obvious. The Vatican II research sought to place women in an important position and undo what has been done to women in the horror show called religious and uplifting. I think Vatican II was even open to Teilhardism as the present Pope is - but in between Teilhard was treated most foul in places like the Catholic Encyclopedia.

    No truly adept or spiritual person can diminish women and make that lack of appreciation for our sisters and mothers a central part of any advanced system of thought. But that does not stop deviates from fomenting lies as Augustine certainly did. Equality (Egalite), Liberte (Liberty or Freedom) et Fraternite (Brotherhood) should be a revived cry for change. Alienation and alien intervention theories born in religion should be put on the trash heap and not promoted all over the media. Yes, there are extraterrestrial advanced lifeforms of innumerable species but there is nothing done on Earth which man did not develop.

    What we have is an old story repeating itself like cucumbers on a stomach full of acid which may even pre-date what Christianity thinks is it's roots. Like Beowulf or Thoth we may never know how important women were before man began to need to control them, and write words put in the mouths of g-ds to make a new order which has been a scourge on humanity
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    And I get another attack - this one far more cogent but understandably incorrect.

    I note my response does not address this site's main objective of promoting alien intervention though I had covered it in the original post - a little.

    Dear Burnt

    I am a Jew - genetically. You are therefore calling a Jew a covert hater - and not providing proof that I ever foment any hatred - though I do indeed question every form of religious control and myth-making or mind control in our society.

    The statements Ahenakew said also included that he knew the race of people who stole his people's land and all of North America were genocidal maniacs - which people who were associated with him knew I proved - and hopefully his admissions or deal was not without him having made the point enough to open some eyes. I am not just talking about Fort Pitt. The use of other biological weapons including the Black Plague went before the invasion of heathens who COLON-ized the Americas. Colon was the name Columbus used - as he followed directions from at least three separate and powerful groups including his father-in-law who headed the reformed Templars called the Knights of Christ. That person gave him maps of and to the Americas - he brought the dogs with fleas just as De Soto did to spread the disease Churchill admits his forbears used to de-populate Europe to the lesser tune of 70 million people. Read his book The Island Race - as he defends that action.

    Around the same time the President of Iran was called an anti-Semite for pointing out the same people had used WMDs against his people. Churchill approved gassing them when he was Colonial Secretary. Yes, I know that approval may not have lead in a direct line to the eventual gassing. So-called higher cultures like the Brits (See book Race for Africa) had stolen the artifacts, and were engaged in ripping off resources in the region called Mesopotamia for a long time. The Crusades are not unconnected.

    Yes, knee jerk teachers such as yourself come out of the closet to scapegoat the Germans - which you just did.

    Only your brand of covert hatred could bring me out of the woodwork to speak to the latent anti-Semitism you like to pepper your posts with. So for the record, while you try to make some kind of point about religion, down below are the quotes by Ahenahew so people can know who you are. They are indefensible and he admitted so in court. There was no proven hateful Hitler history. He was given back his order because his statements were deemed reprehensible and evil, but not hate inspiring. I really hope you are not going to whitewash history any further with the common hateful rhetoric about how World War II was started because "the Jews owned everything" with your own lack of moral judgment. I will not be returning to get into this with you, but this type of immoral action will probably get missed by the moderators here and the things you are defending are even worse than the attack on Emma Woods and the attack on victims of sexual assault that it represents. These are the things Ahenakew said:

    {I do not even know who Emma Woods is - and my history documents the acts of the Rothschilds which include fathering and teaching Hitler and his father. But this guy is a teacher and like most teachers - allowed to pontificate things not supported with fact.}

    The German people offered the Jews freedom to leave and the rest of the world would not allow it. Ship of Fools is a movie based on fact, the Canadian Prime Minister called Hitler the world's best leader two weeks before he invaded Poland. Eichmann worked to get them a homeland before the war. Balfour was backed by Rothschild money and Rothschild insisted in forcing the people of Palestine off their land - this goes back to when his Benjaminite tax collectors for Nebuchadnezzar were thrown out of Judaea more than once, last year clay tablets found in Iraq shed light on this era and the lie of that diaspora. The Germans were also the only nation on Earth with laws against human experimentation, while eugenics was backed in the US and Hitler was backed by the English King and Bushco (Brown Bros Harriman found guilty of Trading with the Enemy by the US courts).

    Of course - you wish to attack the messenger who tells you that you have been an agent of propaganda spreading disease from the hypnotic trigger blackboard and iconic position you hold. I have no hatred for teachers and understand your pedagogical pain. There are complex issues and it is hard to grasp the fact that Empire created religions and used (Still does as Fukayama admits in his great book The End of History and the Last Man) nations and Divine Rights to empower elites over sheep. It is also a part of my campaign to point out the reasons it was necessary - because Ignorance is the Original Sin and people need 'easy answers'.

    In fact the Rothschilds fathered Hitler's father and trained them both. During the war - all nations in the conflict knew about the concentration camps but lied to their own people - and sometimes had their own interment camps or ghettoes. Through a very long history these people (Ashkenazi or other political converts) have been persecuted by the elite Jews - read the Halakah. They are allowed to do this by their laws and to even kill those who get in their way.
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    You cannot just attack guerillas with weapons of Mass Destruction if you are concerned about collateral damage. So (like in WWII and the bombing of Tokyo, Dresden and such) you can expect a concerted propaganda effort to demonize people and separate truth from reality (See Joseph Campbell in 1940 giving a speech to the ladies of Sarah Lawrence University - titled Permanent Human Values). WWI was a worse effort if you know Lord Nathan Rothschild and his pledge to get his distant cousins the Romanoffs out of power after they created a true democratic Parliament and freed the serfs.

    The issue with ISIS includes what Bernie Sanders said in the Democratic debate yesterday. Regime change has unintended consequences. We can certainly also argue that some de-stabilization of the region has been a goal of Israel and the CIA. In my lifetime I have seen how "unintended consequences" are the norm and I think the actions of nations are propaganda and stupid as well.

    For example the British and Americans worked against Gamal Abdul Nasser and a regional government he had created - you can see stamps issued under the Government of that era. It was said Russia was the real enemy and yet not long before the US under Truman had given a whole air force of semi-obsolete planes to Russia just before we got the Cold War. That was WWIII according former CIA Director Woolsey and Bennett (One time Education czar and political giant) in the last decade, they also identified WWIV from the era after the Berlin Wall came down. Then they said next step was the elimination of the Mubaraks and Wahhabi (in Saudi Arabia) and discussed feudal religious regimes like Iran.

    My friend John Oppenheimer (Yes, of THAT family of prominent Jews) invited me to the Admiralty Club in London a couple of years before that Berlin Wall came down. It was just a lunch but I overheard many people talking about Russia as a danger to their national security. I have a strong vocal presence (LOL) and I said something like this.

    Russia is the victim (I did not know what Yeltsin later said about the whole 'experiment' creating Russia by unseen powers including what some people call Illuminati - the Bavarian one had a Professor Oppenheim at it's founding in Hesse's castle by a de Medicis named St. Germain who created the Rothschilds as well.) and suffered far more than even Britain did during WWII. They do not have the modern or well maintained force you have with your hegemonists in the Military Industrial Complex Eisenhower told you about. They spend 15% of their GDP and bankrupt their nation you call an Evil Empire. Meanwhile you spend far less and your companies profit from war while your people and their futures are suffering bad management and your children's futures are mortgaged by that hegemony. You need a new broom in education and the world needs to ramp up religious education to include analysis and critical thinking. Morals and ethics have been subjugated to the interests of profiteers and black markets.

    Shortly after this John mounted an all out offensive to get me to head up his printing business as the EEU grew and markets opened up for all people in business there. Borders are not good - see The Westphalian Order and a call for changes to Sovereign Rights born or continued from the Divine Rights crap.

    The Empire called Holy and Roman which controls so much is not just religious and it truly never was. Religions were a tool for social engineers long before Tuthmoses who amalgamated many secret societies. Francis Fukayama is no great student of true history but as a social engineer writing The End of History and the Last Man (before being promoted up from US Dept of Policy to the Rand foundational part of the shadow government) he told a simple truth you should see in at least one news report every week. "All absolute religions are tools for social engineers."

    Here is just one of many insights to Caesar's Messiah and garbage Gospels which many intelligent people seek to maintain.

    This is the Josephus everyone seems to think tells some truth.

    " Josephus served as a general of the Galilee. When the Roman army overcame his forces, Josephus and 40 compatriots fled to a cave. They agreed to commit suicide. Josephus fixed the lots so that his name would come out last. After the others killed themselves, Josephus convinced the remaining fighter to surrender with him.

    As a prisoner of the Romans, Josephus volunteered to write the history of the Great Revolt. General (later Emperor) Vespasian agreed. In The Jewish War, Josephus thus provided the Romans (and now us) with a first-hand account of the fall of Jerusalem in 70 CE. It must be emphasized that Josephus was writing for Vespasian - he was also writing from Rome - so his work is definitely biased. He mentions several times in his Greek writings that he created an Aramaic version of the events as well, but unfortunately, it is not extant."
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    The first time Columbus set sail for the Americas it was a day that all people proclaiming to be Jewish (a faith - and people can be branded a Jew if they have money that someone covets) either had to become 'conversos' or suffer the consequences. In fact the group who funded his trip were Jews and even the Britannica admits the Queen Isabella and her jewels fiction is a lie. That group was called Los Hermanos and the Papal influence was also part of the whole matter. There was a Papal cosmographer and others who played a role. Inside the Church there has always been different factions just as you will see was true in Islam. You might want to look into the work of a recent author named Malachi Martin who advised three Popes in matters Kabbalistic. K and C not Qabala (The ancient verbal tradition) are politically 'twisted' according to Dion Fortune.

    From a thread here at W-M we have this offering. There are many more threads addressing Daniel Matt who I regard as valuable and important in my spiritual research. His "Unsheathing the Soul" touches on Neuro Linguistic Programming, memes, gematria and MKUltra.

    As I suspected we find these Kaballists are fomenting more power for themselves and lying about the Zohar which Daniel Matt has proven (see his work here) to be a fraud. But it may be an ecumenical attempt or a way for them to gain converts - when I see they are also into usurping Vedanta (like others) and throwing their foul coil or cape around anything they can. You will have to decide.

    The Zohar - Donmeh West

    To all who study it with good intention the Zohar is clearly the divinely transmitted work of the Bat HaKol ("Voice of the All") that speaks through its God-inspired ... "

    General Zia of Pakistan and his CIA support have a lot to do with the whole matter as does misogyny. brings us an insight into what Laurence of Arabia did and the movie shows. It ties in with what happened to Arab independence and the need to de-stabilize the region in order to make Lord Rothschild happy to have his lesser Jewish German Jews (Ashkenazi) available for future purposes (Read the Halakah).

    "On May 19, 1916, representatives of Great Britain and France secretly reach an accord, known as the Sykes-Picot agreement, by which most of the Arab lands under the rule of the Ottoman Empire are to be divided into British and French spheres of influence with the conclusion of World War I.

    After the war broke out in the summer of 1914, the Allies—Britain, France and Russia—held many discussions regarding the future of the Ottoman Empire, now fighting on the side of Germany and the Central Powers, and its vast expanse of territory in the Middle East, Arabia and southern-central Europe. In March 1915, Britain signed a secret agreement with Russia, whose designs on the empire’s territory had led the Turks to join forces with Germany and Austria-Hungary in 1914. By its terms, Russia would annex the Ottoman capital of Constantinople and retain control of the Dardanelles (the crucially important strait connecting the Black Sea with the Mediterranean) and the Gallipoli peninsula, the target of a major Allied military invasion begun in April 1915. In return, Russia would agree to British claims on other areas of the former Ottoman Empire and central Persia, including the oil-rich region of Mesopotamia.

    More than a year after the agreement with Russia, British and French representatives, Sir Mark Sykes and Francois Georges Picot, authored another secret agreement regarding the future spoils of the Great War. Picot represented a small group determined to secure control of Syria for France; for his part, Sykes raised British demands to balance out influence in the region. The agreement largely neglected to allow for the future growth of Arab nationalism, which at that same moment the British government and military were working to use to their advantage against the Turks.

    In the Sykes-Picot agreement, concluded on May 19, 1916, France and Britain divided up the Arab territories of the former Ottoman Empire into spheres of influence. In its designated sphere, it was agreed, each country shall be allowed to establish such direct or indirect administration or control as they desire and as they may think fit to arrange with the Arab State or Confederation of Arab States. Under Sykes-Picot, the Syrian coast and much of modern-day Lebanon went to France; Britain would take direct control over central and southern Mesopotamia, around the Baghdad and Basra provinces. Palestine would have an international administration, as other Christian powers, namely Russia, held an interest in this region. The rest of the territory in question—a huge area including modern-day Syria, Mosul in northern Iraq, and Jordan—would have local Arab chiefs under French supervision in the north and British in the south. Also, Britain and France would retain free passage and trade in the other’s zone of influence."
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    Now that we have Obama telling us what should have been obvious a century and more ago - that people cannot easily be beaten or killed in a region called the middle east, and expect that to bring an end to the terror borne from Apocalyptic preaching or a desire for rapture from 72 virgins. It was not long ago that I accepted the opinion that Islam's scriptures do not foment the 72 virgin nonsense but it is not true. It was not some recent terrorist group wanting suicide bombers who created this disgusting dogma. It was worked into the dogma about 300 years after Mohammed died; thus more than a millennium ago.

    That was during the Crusades wrought by Catholics and greed - so maybe you can justify those ideologies if that is what it took to beat back the infidels who came to steal whatever they could carry and rape and pillage or simply destroy what they wanted. Of course, Chomsky has addressed the politics in Turkey and throughout the region still called Holy after so many millennia of horror and misogyny.

    But the use of his NLP and mind controlling psychology which is being machine enhanced as seen in Futurescape (look up the God Helmet) is what will be needed if we cannot muster the courage to change our own beliefs and coerce churches into telling the truth - of ecumenicism rather than demographic greed and fighting to get new members to their own cult.

    Churchill knew you could not defeat the people of the Khyber Pass because he was a student of history. In many millennia of war we have seldom seen people in mountains lose their local government and culture - there or in the region around Montenegro, Yugoslavia.

    So after we do more bombing and nothing really changes we have mind control machines to attempt to undo the mind control of religion - will it work? Is the attraction of 72 virgins greater than the Matrix? Do you want the red pill?

    Throughout time there have been access to information issues such as - do people actually read or care to learn after having the joy of learning drummed out of them by churches or parents who know so little about things themselves. Here is Bertrand Russell talking about Mass Psychology which includes religious seers pontificating and being listened to by the great unwashed.
    “I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology... Its importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda. Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions are generated.”
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    Many people think that Islamists are extremists (including me) but in most cases the group they call extremists are fighting for poor people who have little chance of fair treatment. The US is actually supporting the more extreme and feudal sects like the Wahhabi who control Saudi Arabia. Former CIA Director Richard Woolsey and Bill Bennett the education czar went on tour together in the early part of this millennium saying the Wahhabi and Mubaraks were next on the list of targets after their former agent Saddam. Here we have Noam Chomsky being interviewed about secular and religious inter and disconnects. Then we will have Jihad v. McWorld.

    In Jihad v. McWorld Barber sees hope if mankind can act locally and structures of bureaucracies and ecclesiasts allowed it. I often find hatred and prejudice disappears when people actually talk. That brings us back to what the Club of Rome says about words for Peace. Some people think Shalom means Peace. It is used that way by people who don't know it means Peace through domination or after victory.

    Futurists including the Tofflers were champions of bringing society to a point where responsible government and the resources met close to where they actually need to be. That would lead to fewer Nationalistic agendas or major ecclesiastical issues. For example if the people of Austria voted to end the ban on abortion (which they did despite being Catholic) that is what would be. People there would not have fears or worries about sins and demonic projections from their church, as much. Cities would have the taxes their people now give to nations and those cities know better what their people need. Would that mean nations had no money to make war or spy on their citizens - I think it would over time. But would nations and the bureaucrats stop the mind control agenda? And if the mind control is the only way to counteract pulpit-pounding fundamentalism - where do we go? Mars might soon be an option if Elon Musk's SpaceX plans solve the issue of space debris wrecking the space craft - which I think can be done but I question whether the soon to launch project will have done.
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    I say ecumenical outreaches by religious ecclesiastical structure to tell some truth is just about the only thing we can do to begin the process of peace in the Holy Land (so full of all kinds of Holes). I say taxing churches into pre-historical norms or oblivion will get those churches to act if they are monitored correctly. The Aga Khan in France and others who have huge fortunes they enjoy after more than a millennia of feudal controls should not be immune. But what does our man from academia and linguistics have to say in these matters most complex?

    "AMY GOODMAN: Today, part two of our discussion with Noam Chomsky, the world-renowned political dissident, linguist and author, institute professor emeritus at Massachusetts Institute of Technology, where he’s taught for more than half a century. On Monday on Democracy Now!, Aaron Maté and I interviewed him about Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s speech on Iran to Congress. Today, in part two, we look at blowback from the U.S. drone program, the legacy of slavery in the United States, the leaks of Edward Snowden, U.S. meddling in Venezuela and the thawing of U.S.-Cuba relations. We began by asking Professor Chomsky how the U.S. should respond to the self-proclaimed Islamic State.

    NOAM CHOMSKY: It’s very hard to think of anything serious that can be done. I mean, it should be settled diplomatically and peacefully to the extent that that’s possible. It’s not inconceivable. I mean, there are—ISIS, it’s a horrible manifestation of hideous actions. It’s a real danger to anyone nearby. But so are other forces. And we should be getting together with Iran, which has a huge stake in the matter and is the main force involved, and with the Iraqi government, which is calling for and applauding Iranian support and trying to work out with them some arrangement which will satisfy the legitimate demands of the Sunni population, which is what ISIS is protecting and defending and gaining their support from.

    They’re not coming out of nowhere. I mean, they are—one of the effects, the main effects, of the U.S. invasion of Iraq—there are many horrible effects, but one of them was to incite sectarian conflicts, that had not been there before. If you take a look at Baghdad before the invasion, Sunni and Shia lived intermingled—same neighborhoods, they intermarried. Sometimes they say that they didn’t even know if their neighbor was a Sunni or a Shia. It was like knowing what Protestant sect your neighbor belongs to. There was pretty close—it wasn’t—I’m not claiming it was—it wasn’t utopia. There were conflicts. But there was no serious conflict, so much so that Iraqis at the time predicted there would never be a conflict. Well, within a couple of years, it had turned into a violent, brutal conflict. You look at Baghdad today, it’s segregated. What’s left of the Sunni communities are isolated. The people can’t talk to their neighbors. There’s war going on all over. The ISIS is murderous and brutal. The same is true of the Shia militias which confront it. And this is now spread all over the region. There’s now a major Sunni-Shia conflict rending the region apart, tearing it to shreds.

    Now, this cannot be dealt with by bombs. This is much more serious than that. It’s got to be dealt with by steps towards recovering, remedying the massive damage that was initiated by the sledgehammer smashing Iraq and has now spread. And that does require diplomatic, peaceful means dealing with people who are pretty ugly—and we’re not very pretty, either, for that matter. But this just has to be done. Exactly what steps should be taken, it’s hard to say. There are people whose lives are at stake, like the Assyrian Christians, the Yazidi and so on. Apparently, the fighting that protected the—we don’t know a lot, but it looks as though the ground fighting that protected the Yazidi, largely, was carried out by PKK, the Turkish guerrilla group that’s fighting for the Kurds in Turkey but based in northern Iraq. And they’re on the U.S. terrorist list. We can’t hope to have a strategy that deals with ISIS while opposing and attacking the group that’s fighting them, just as it doesn’t make sense to try to have a strategy that excludes Iran, the major state that’s supporting Iraq in its battle with ISIS.

    AMY GOODMAN: What about the fact that so many of those who are joining ISIS now—and a lot has been made of the young people, young women and young men, who are going into Syria through Turkey. I mean, Turkey is a U.S. ally. There is a border there. They freely go back and forth.

    NOAM CHOMSKY: That’s right. And it’s not just young people. One thing that’s pretty striking is that it includes people with—educated people, doctors, professionals and others. Whatever we—we may not like it, but ISIS is—the idea of the Islamic caliphate does have an appeal to large sectors of a brutalized global population, which is under severe attack everywhere, has been for a long time. And something has appeared which has an appeal to them. And that can’t be overlooked if we want to deal with the issue. We have to ask what’s the nature of the appeal, why is it there, how can we accommodate it and lead to some, if not at least amelioration of the murderous conflict, then maybe some kind of settlement. You can’t ignore these factors if you want to deal with the issue."

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    It is easy to see how interconnected good thought becomes when I look at the way I have changed this letter or e-mail discourse with my older brother. Brotherhood would grow if we understood our human evolutionary reality - and that evolution will grow as we understand Brotherhood. This connectedness or Harmony which heals our mind, body and soul - is the root of epigenetics, positive thinking and decrees or TEMPLATES.

    Here is an e-mail response to my older brother who made note of the fact that I have been posing these thoughts most of my life and yet no great acclaim has come my way.

    There are many ways thought gets transmitted to the brain - and current human evolution theory is moving to the ideas I have been promoting (Others like Teilhard de Chardin - an anthropologist and catholic priest - see Teilhardism) for as long as I can remember. When Sartre said "Love is absent space" I say he understood Brotherhood (Fraternite) best of all - and that Brotherhood of Iesa (translates as Jesus, Heysoos, Iesoos etc) is what all religions need to foster. Teilhard called for a "conspiracy of Love".

    I am satisfied with how the mind has started to recover from materialism. Our future is still bleak if we do not use that mind to form the templates ('perfect' though by one person - said Teilhard; imagine if more than one person actually started understanding). See Re-discovering the Mind which I used teaching a lesson in my Masters program Org Behaviour class in 1981.

    You have heard about the saying "We are spiritual beings having a brief illusory material experience." That was a very old concept he revived.

    Further to the above you might want to consider how often the "illusory" experience is highlighted in our media including the schools.

    What kind of crazy is it that supports such ideology when there are far better methods available (see thread We Can Change the World)? When Malcolm Muggeridge said Jesus would be institutionalized today - he was making a good point. That is true whether or not there ever was an actual Jesus person rather than the titles Jesus and Chriost which have been around for a great deal longer than our falsified Empire history supporting our screwed up laws. The people who put words in the mouths of Prophets do so for PROFIT!
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    Un questione, por favor. Should this be included in a thread addressing a current problem people might think is recent in origin?

    Linguistics and Semiotics were well understood by those who made the alphabets for all people on Earth. They were not aliens in the sense of being from other parts of universe - they were and are aliens in that they STUDY!

    but also essentially become embedded in an argumentation in which "lived" personal
    events are used as persuasive premises that support a generally negative conclusion:
    "They" do not belong here. Tolerance is generally proclaimed, also by the most
    outspoken racists: "We have nothing against them but .."

    Even representative of the Front National in the French Assemblé Nationale, as well as their friends in other
    European parliaments, may often be heard claiming that they are of course not racist.
    Thus, a vast discursive framework is being set up to signal compliance with the "official"
    norm, while at the same time seeking the strategic subterfuges that allow them to "speak
    the truth" about their fellow citizens of colour.

    These discursive structures and strategies should be seen as the external, and hence
    social, manifestations of the underlying representations and processes of social cognitions
    shared by many or most white group members. These cognitions allow them not only to
    master and explain the social world of ethnic and racial diversity around them, but are
    also brought to bear in the practices of everyday racism. From the apparently trivial, but
    in effect highly demeaning "irregularities" experienced by minorities in the everyday life
    of shops, public transport, work or school, to the more structural and consequential
    practices of political decision-making about virtually all the aspects of their social life,
    corporate or public hiring and firing, education, research, media coverage, and other
    practices of the elites, we witness the system of a dominant consensus (with its many
    varieties and contradictions) that can only be kept in place by a powerful framework of
    corresponding social cognitions. Discourse--and especially elite discourse--is the key of
    this reproduction process, while combining social cognitions with social practices at the
    level of the everyday implementation of the overall system of racism.

    Racism is but one example among many. Critical discourse analysis has a long
    agenda. It is not a fashion, but a mission. It is a mode of research and not a passing
    paradigm. By definition, it combines theory and practice. It is multidisciplinary and does
    not fear to explore everybody's backyard. Its practitioners know they sometimes get into
    trouble. When "formal" linguistics, text analysis, semiotics or psychology appeared to be
    leading to rather easy grants and subsidies, the monies for critical research suddenly
    appear to be less available. Critical discourse analysis is difficult, theoretically,
    analytically and practically.
    At the same time, it is rich and challenging. It is real
    scholarship. It may make a difference.
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    With ever-increasing sophistication of mind control and neuro-psycho-linguistics as well as Thalami and other neurophysiological scientific studies there can be much hoped for. Unfortunately such things and the archetypes or templates they create may be used
    for entirely questionable ends by those who might have something other than our freedom in mind. The power which Foucault posited is in all relationships and becomes available to those who may manage it has always been of interest in the pursuit of the sages who were called humanists and are alchemists. They integrate the soul and science and thus the companion book to this one is Integrating Soul & Science.

    One of the most prevalent means they used was symbology and Silberer was a student of Freud that prepared the ground for Jung to interpret dreams and symbols through an investigation of alchemy. It leads to them being called alchemists by the likes of Time/Life and that is not as true as they would like it to be.

    If Jung is an alchemist so am I; and so are many others including Alexandra David-Neel whose studies of Taoism are well worth reading. I can live with such a general interpretation of what an alchemist is but I am of the opinion it takes a knowledge of all three Magian laws to a degree that I am not so competent in. Here are some words attributed to the amalgam master who went to see the Tarim Basin ‘Ancient Masters’ as he approached the end of his life.

    To attain Knowledge, add things every day. To attain Wisdom, remove things every
    day.” (Lao Tzu)

    The Three Magian Laws:

    It is difficult to integrate every thread so that a person reading one thread gets what is going on. Here is another thread connected with this one - there are MANY.
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    This world is full of people who are just as stupid as the Muslim who thinks he will get 72 virgins when he gets to go to some place he has nothing but ignorance about, or vile dogma to support his delusions.

    Yes, that means you as much as it means a General of the elite fighting forces known as Marines. It is especially true about those you know who say Hitler was to blame or there is no conspiracy. Your leaders like FDR have told you truth but you would not listen because you like the three cars in your garage and cannot see how colonial enterprises put food on your table. Yep, every US President has confessed. FDR said he knew "If it happened it was planned." And his letters with one of the planners are available if you really wanted to know some truths. That planner who communicated with FDR, that I am referring to is the actual MOST important man of the 20th Century - not who Time/Life said was that MOST austere individual - FDR!

    Many of you are British or some other vile group of demons as your Bible might call the lowest form of life. Can you imagine the Black and Tan or the Potato famine used to wipe out your Irish brothers was arranged by your leaders and authors of your Bible?

    Sir John Davies was one of the paladins of the Stuart king of England who crafted a new Bible. The Stuart/Jacobin intrigues of war and aristocracies are just one aspect of an interesting alternative history that might make sense of why prejudices were fostered rather than collective pride and joy in learning and growing as a human family. Sir John was the Attorney General of Ireland under James I and he observed:

    "There is no nation of people under the sun that doth love equal and indifferent justice better that the Irish, or will rest better satisfied with the execution thereof, although it be against themselves, as they may have protection and benefit of the law when upon just cause they do deserve it." His Master of the Court of Wards, Sir William Parsons said: "We must change their (Irish) course of government, apparel, manner of holding land, language and habit of life. It will otherwise be impossible to set up in them obedience to the laws and to the English empire."

    The movie Lord of War with Nicholas Cage documents real life circumstances as he is paid big bucks when getting out of jail after being caught with his pants down after his wife informed on him. The scroll at the end of the movie reminds me of the scroll in the JFK movie with the Eisenhower warning about the Military-Industrial Complex. You probably know about that but maybe you don't recall what the Lord of War scroll says - the top gun runners are the five permanent members of the UN Security Council!

    The General of the Marines I referred to wised up after he left the US armed forces.

    Major General (Top Marine rank of his day) Smedley Butler knew the US armed forces were used to force imperialistic corporate agendas. He was a true hero in every aspect of normal life! If he had lived a little longer we would have seen what McCarthy was because Butler would not have allowed the lies to spread without some major speeches and effort.

    "The following is an excerpt from a speech he gave in 1933:

    “War is just a racket. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of people. Only a small inside group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the masses.

    I believe in adequate defense at the coastline and nothing else. If a nation comes over here to fight, then we'll fight. The trouble with America is that when the dollar only earns 6 percent over here, then it gets restless and goes overseas to get 100 percent. Then the flag follows the dollar and the soldiers follow the flag.

    I wouldn't go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.

    There isn't a trick in the racketeering bag that the military gang is blind to. It has its "finger men" to point out enemies, its "muscle men" to destroy enemies, its "brain men" to plan war preparations, and a "Big Boss" Super-Nationalistic-Capitalism.

    It may seem odd for me, a military man to adopt such a comparison. Truthfulness compels me to. I spent thirty- three years and four months in active military service as a member of this country's most agile military force, the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks from Second Lieutenant to Major-General. And during that period, I spent most of my time being a high class muscle- man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the Bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism.

    I suspected I was just part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of it. Like all the members of the military profession, I never had a thought of my own until I left the service. My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military service.

    I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested.

    During those years, I had, as the boys in the back room would say, a swell racket. Looking back on it, I feel that I could have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.”

    The archetype to avatar issue is hard to disassemble because a person becomes obsessed and to some degree possessed by the knowledge they gain. I do not regard Hitler as an avatar like Devi did or Eckart with his Messiah implant, but I suppose there were times (for some people) when he was at that level.

    The blogspot which follows is very good, I am glad there is so much more addressing these things I dealt with in my books and involvement on the web for five years over a decade ago. It has many other quotes from Hitler and addresses what Jung wrote about Hitler as an archetype or avatar of Wotan.
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