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    Thinking and Reading - where does it occur?

    If translation does not capture thought due to the difficulty an author has in capturing his or her own thought in a language they think in - or is it even worse because people think first then try to see or feel if their words are correct. If the process of thinking with no soulful involvement is actually a process of catering to paradigm programming - where does actual knowing develop? Think about those questions as you consider this excerpt from a course of study at the University of Texas - and finally; ask yourself if many people even comprehend what they read? Other studies in Texas shown later in this thread allow me to wonder if they are looking for something upstairs that was lost by their political funding ops.

    "By Rainer Schulte

    In moments when the established boundaries and guiding principles of literary criticism are being severely questioned as to their past and present validity, new avenues of research thinking must be pursued. The field of Translation Studies engages us in an important research area that will revitalize the study of the arts and humanities.

    By its very nature, translation links theory with practice. Furthermore, Translation Studies bridges the gap between literary history, linguistics, semiotics, and aesthetics. The study of translation as well as the act of translation are always concerned with the reconstruction of a process rather than with the description of a particular content. Translation emphasizes the "how" and not the "what." What processes do I have to initiate to transfer a situation from a source language text into the new language? How did the author create a particular atmosphere in a poem or a fiction piece and what methodologies does the translator have to develop to transplant these atmospheres into another language? The reconstruction of processes demands the invention of methodologies, and the act of translation provides us with an opportunity to explore the possibilities of these methodologies.

    Like critical interpretations, translation endeavors begin with the act of reading. Therefore, it is opportune to re-think the efforts that go into the act of reading and how the translation perspective modifies and directs our reading processes. Hans Georg Gadamer, in his work on "Wieweit schreibt Sprache das Denken vor?" ("To What Extent Does Language Prescribe Thinking?"), succinctly expresses the relationship between reading and translating in the following manner: "Lesen ist schon Übersetzen und Übersetzen ist dann noch einmal Übersetzen...Der Vorgang des Übersetzens schliesst im Grunde das ganze Geheimnis menschlicher Weltverständigung und gesellschaftlicher Kommunikation ein." ("Reading is already translation, and translation is translation for the second time...The process of translating comprises in its essence the whole secret of human understanding of the world and of social communication.")

    Contrary to the critical inquiry of a text, which frequently assesses, describes, and evaluates the implications of content in a work, the translator/reader focuses his/her attention on the word and sentence as process, as possibilities toward meanings. The translator is also less likely to succumb to the impossibility of experiencing a literary work because the mechanisms of media have overloaded a work with too much information and publicity. A genuine experience of the Mona Lisa is perhaps no longer possible, since the ritual of viewing the painting has been degraded to the level of kitsch. {Is this the essence of my questions? Does one have to sense a true soulful union - to grok anything or anybody?}

    "Reading is already translation." Through the process of reading, we the readers are transplanted into the atmosphere of a new situation that does not build just one clearly-defined reality, but, rather, possibilities of various realities. The reader is left with various options that he or she can interpret within the context of that atmosphere. The reader/translator reestablishes at every step of his or her work the inherent uncertainty of each word, both as isolated phenomenon and as semiotic possibility of a sentence, paragraph, or the context of the entire work. The rediscovery of that uncertainty in each word constitutes the initial attitude of the translator. Reading becomes the making of meaning and not the description of already-fixed meanings. As the imaginative text does not offer the reader a new comfortable reality but, rather, places him or her between several realities among which he or she has to choose; the words that constitute the text emanate a feeling of uncertainty. That feeling, however, becomes instrumental in the reader/translator's engagement in a continuous process of decision-making. Certain choices have to be made among all these possibilities of uncertain meanings. Whatever the translation decision might be, there is still another level of uncertainty for the reader/translator, which continues the process of reading not only within the text but even beyond the text. This proliferation of uncertainties must be viewed as one of the most stimulating and rewarding results that the reader/translator perspective finds in the study and experience of the text. Reading as the generator of uncertainties, reading as the driving force toward a decision-making process, reading as discovery of new interrelations that can be experienced but not described in terms of a content-oriented language.

    Reading from a translator's point of view represents a continuous process of opening up new possibilities of interactions and semantic associations. Whatever questions the translator asks with respect to his/her involvement in a text, these questions have no prefigured answers that might be based on information brought to the text from the outside or based on clearly defined statements of context. In the translation process there are no definitive answers, only attempts at solutions in response to states of uncertainly generated by the interaction of the words' semantic fields and sounds. Reading institutes the making of meanings through questions in which the possibility of an answer results in another question: What if?

    In that respect, translation-reading has much in common with the performer's attitude toward the work. Without "Erlebnis" (experience) the performance of a piece falls flat. At all times, the performer internalizes that which he or she performs. He or she is inside the work, and every note or word becomes a new possibility in the moment of its performance. Similarly, the translator/reader makes the reading activity a process in which each word begins to assume possible semantic associations. The reader/translator approach never becomes static.

    Applying the translator's eye to the reading of a text changes our attitude toward the reading process by dissolving the fixity of print on a page into a potential multiplicity of semantic connections. The words on the page represent only a weak reflection of the situations that the author intended to express. The translator/reader considers the word a means to an end, the final destination of which can never be put into the limitations of static descriptions.

    The methodologies of translation can therefore be used to reactivate the act of reading as a dynamic process that engages the reader in the "Erlebnis" of the literary work."

    [DOC]Handbook - The University of Texas at Dallas

    Fuller, R. Buckminster. Operating .... Teilhard de Chardin, Pierre. Human ... Toffler, Alvin. The Third ... Naisbitt, John. ...... 1946 Hermann Hesse, Switzerland.
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    In the thread Hi iSal we have broached the issue of real knowing and true growth by inspecting myth and feeling energies more than mere word groping or convention in the use of words.

    In this thread on a website devoted to promoting alien intervention but including thinkers who make money in that field of endeavour or fraud we have a man named Bosley with some good credentials who was promoting ancient aliens - I would love to debate with him. More than that he says you can see it today - just because there are secret societies and Synarchistic through-lines. I actually did confront him after I wrote this and he admitted he and his black ops or alphabet soup people had set up the whole alien thing on Roswell by feeding false info to people like Linda Moulton Howe. It is the quintessential point you have to reach if you believe any of the crap - you have to buy it all (IMHO). That does not mean there are no superior sentient beings capable of dimensional or other ways of contact. It only means there is NO evidence of them intervening.

    Here is my contribution to the thread.

    “Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself....His task was to discover his own destiny - not an arbitrary one - and to live it out wholly and resolutely within himself. Everything else was only a would-be existence, an attempt at evasion, a flight back to the ideals of the masses, conformity and fear of one's own inwardness.” - Hermann Hesse

    A reading of about five books by Carl Jung followed by Hesse and a dose of more original writing Jung drew from might help you get to where you could read Synergetics by Bucky Fuller. Bosley is playing head games for money, most likely. A real synchronicity will by pass the brain and make you FEEL something you do not otherwise feel - in my experience. It can be a simple glance or what is called a Flash of Enlightenment, a tap-in to the collective or a 'quickening' of the soul. When people have no basis for evaluating the energy it creates 'visions'. Those visions might adhere to paradigm views or personal BELIEF. They need to be 'winnowed' from the chaff until whatever is real (gnosis or wisdom) can be applied for future insight and growth.

    At this blog or site you will find an admission that a new wave of uninformed UFO -logists? not logical Spock! - is about to take over and blaze new trails of idiocy and insane projections. Mac Tonnies and Redfern (who was on the blog here a month or so ago) are leading edge they say. But Mac died - they suggest it was because he knew too much - and was a threat to something or someone. Mac was proceeding with Keely's work on energy forms I deal with in threads like The New Jersey Devil and the Mothman. It is a good path to go when you want to see how far energy can take you down the path you are afraid of or BELIEVE. All threads here on Jung and myths give insight to serious explorers of the mindscape broaching the cosmic thought field where any energy input can be CONstructed, amalgamated and lead to what Bucky calls "creative realization".

    I do like his characterization of present UFO thought as being "mummified".

    Andre Malraux, who was the Propaganda Minister for De Gaulle's elitist desires in a country ruled by Merovingians, says these interesting words.

    "Art is a dialogue we have always carried out with the unknown. We have come to distinguish the contours of the unknown through the unconscious, through religion and magic and we may soon begin to understand such totally modern emotions as the feeling that we belong to the future, that our civilization is the sum of others."
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    This author is bang on in describing how a truthful thinker must be willing to proceed. I started too late, and regret not having the courage to do what I KNEW was RIGHT. His focus in the article is too much upon Bucky and what we call ego. That is just my opinion perhaps. I think Bucky would agree that each individual has great potential to "creatively realize" a whole new paradigm - which like Teilhard de Chardin said, one perfect thought by just one person could do. Bucky pushes us all to keep it uppermost in our mind that all we do has implications on "all that IS".

    "How R. Buckminster Fuller Committed “Egocide”

    R. Buckminster Fuller, or Bucky as he was called by friends, has come to be one of my major sources of inspiration, and since discovering him I’ve been an avid collector of his books, most of them sadly out of print. Fuller was one who dared to think big, so big that the only reason we know who he is, is that he was not being taken seriously to the degree that he posed any threat to the established world order. He steered clear of the money-making machine by thinking so far ahead that he could be left in peace. Cause his objective was nothing less than to help save our planet Earth, and that does not make a lot of money for the big bad businesses. It is now time to take his legacy seriously and look into how it can be applied. And where can one start but with the person himself and how he came to embark on such a journey in the first place…

    The turning point

    In 1927, when Fuller was 32 years old, he found himself in a seemingly impossible situation. He had a few years earlier lost his daughter, something he felt responsible for, and when he later lost his job he had no means of supporting himself or his family and he found himself heavily depressed. He realized that he was a complete failure by society’s standards and that by those standards he would never amount to anything anyway. He decided that the easiest way out was to commit suicide, and so he decided to do. However, upon reflecting on this, he realized that his urge to take his own life was because of him being overly concerned with himself and his own pains. What would happen if he shifted the perspective?

    Bucky believed that the only way we humans learn, is through trial and error, and that this natural process is hindered by a “know-it-all” mentality of the ego. A fear of being wrong, of failure. Hence if the ego is surmounted, we as humans can instead of feeling like failures, understand the significance of the negative events and then use them to evolve, not only as a separate human being, but as a planet. So Bucky, instead of committing suicide, committed “egocide” and embarked upon a lifelong project which he called “Guinea Pig B”

    Guinea Pig B

    The general idea of his experiment was to show what a single average human being could do to help the world. If he employed all his powers to help shift the planet, then he might do something of importance. His specific field was to invent energy effective artifacts with the least possible use of materials and the most effectiveness and functionality. Put very generally. And he believed that anyone could do what he did, that all humans are born geniuses, he merely made a choice to follow that line.

    With a strong conviction in God, he reasoned that if he was on the right track, he would be provided for, and therefore he decided to never do anything just for money. So he went ahead with a complete faith that the Universe would see to his and his family’s needs. He soon discovered that this was always the case when he was on the right track, however, when he started to steer off course, this would no longer hold true. So I guess you could say that he used synchronicity as a guideline to drive him forward on the right path. At the age of 86 he wrote that he had always been operating in proximity to bankruptcy, but never actually going bankrupt. Money would always come, but always in the last minute.

    Learning from mistakes

    He claimed that he had made more mistakes in his life than anyone he knew. But because of his “egocide” he used this to his own advantage, thinking that by making more mistakes, he also learned more. He further reasoned that if he was going to make a difference he would have to do all his own thinking, base all his conclusions on own experiences and unlearn all he had ever been told about the world. When following a line of this sort, it is impossible not to stumble upon some major challenges, however, he saw us humans as having a very important Universal role, the role of problem-solvers. He wrote:

    “In our immediate need to discover more about ourselves we also note that what is common to all human beings in all history is their ceaseless confrontation by problems, problems, problems. We humans are manifestly here for problem-solving and, if we are any good at problem-solving, we don’t come to utopia, we come to more difficult problems to solve: That apparently is what we’re here for, so I therefore conclude that we humans are here for local information-gathering and local problem-solving with our minds having access to the design principles of the Universe[.]”

    He didn’t merely think of human beings in the relationship to each other or the planet he called our spaceship Earth, rather he was of the opinion that we had been created with a very specific function in the Universe, and an important part of that was as problem-solvers.

    Bucky never wasted any time. In fact his grandson wrote in his introduction to “Operation Manual for Spaceship Earth” that whenever they rode a car or did other seemingly tedious things, he would say “What is the most important thing we can be thinking about right now?”. He always kept his eye on the goal, always doing the best he could at any given time. And he never told anyone what to do or how to think. He never imposed his ideas on anyone, he only spoke when he was asked to. Because Fuller believed that we all must think for ourselves and that we all have the capacity to make a vital contribution and that we all are of importance."
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    Is it true that an event can never be duplicated? How, if that is true can we create a Template or perfect thought which Teilhard de Chardin spoke about? In the thought expressed about the Observer of the Observed by Bucky Fuller do we find design consciousness affecting each part being observed in a manner not unlike Heisenberg included in his Observer Principle or what causes energy and matter to disappear due to measuring such as the Australia University people just observed when reducing light to particle and/or wave?

    There is a fundamental error in separating the parts from the whole, the mistake of atomizing what should not be atomized. Unity and complementarity constitute reality.

    — Werner Heisenberg

    Can you truly have a soul mate if you and your loved one are changing, growing and knowing more about yourself and the Self? Or should I say how can you have a soul mate if you are not both changing and growing according to the same design inputs? Wouldn't it be wonderful to spend time with all the synchronous forces affecting each of your 'carass' type of relational experience with people. Kurt Vonnegut created the word carass from 'caring' and a 'morass' which becomes what most relationships are - not just a rut - a real morass. What are those synchronous forces? I cannot simply label them as g-d or a similar word if I hope to know more than Jung who does something akin to that according to his interpreters. I do think he and I would agree words limit our ability to conceive what we DO and how every action has an effect though not always equal or opposite. I would love to know more about the vectors of energy design in Bucky's vision of sacred geometry and yet I would also love a moment alone with a person who does not want to know any of this. Trust unites a soul more than the Bodhisattva quest. A Rishi contemplating his navel might 'see' more than a logician like myself who waffles or wavers looking for a place to land.

    "All things come out of the one and the one out of all things." - Heraclitus

    Ah yes, Zeno's Paradox and Lynds who Wheeler supported even though Lynds had no sheep fool-owing him or the skin of sheep to prove he was right. Is there a point I am making? Is it possible to make a point with mere words? The continuum of energy from hot to cold or good to bad never stays static. Does the Oroborous snake or dragon ever eat it's tail? Can that snake ever wear a high hat and crawl under a rat's penis? Is Bohr right about a great truth having an opposite which is also true? There are an infinite number of possibilities and our science has tried to cram them into constants.

    If energy is in thoughts as I do think - and it coalesces with like energy - you have synchronous effects which can affect outcomes also including different energy.

    In that simple sentence is the egis of a true New World Order IF (a big word) WE (another big word) can regain control of the World Mind through the 'creative realization' of our collective (Jung and Bucky) thought effort.


    Please listen to Arthur C. Clarke talking about his friend Bucky with a reverence seldom heard outside the 'Groupie' colony.

    I recall Princeton recently put their PEAR random generating world mind enhancer to death but in league with Esalen they are proceeding to put what Teilhard and others before him knew - into action. There is a lot of the Bard or poet in all of this. Enjoy!
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    The people who seek easy answers are everywhere. There are those who read little and feel the 'forces'. There are those who read mostly mainstream journalism with people pounding their chests about how much they know there is nothing paranormal. Then there are the researchers and Nobel Laureates who ask questions and really KNOW how little we know about the vast mysteries of nature (g-d). It may serve some purpose to read the nay-sayers and develop some response to them - but trust me the Skeptics forum or old James Randi site is as devoid of grey matter between the ears as any born again site. Here is a debate from a few years ago. Did any of them read Re-Discovering the Mind, Heisenberg, Fuller or Gell-Mann and Feynman?

    Erwin Schrödinger, My View Of The World:

    "The scientific picture of the real world around me is very deficient. It gives a lot of factual information, puts all our experience in a magnificently consistent order, but it is ghastly silent about all and sundry that is really near to our heart, that really matters to us. It cannot tell us a word about red and blue, bitter and sweet, physical pain and physical delight; it knows nothing of beautiful and ugly, good or bad, God and eternity. Science sometimes pretends to answer questions in these domains, but the answers are very often so silly that we are not inclined to take them seriously."

    There is Gravitational Wave research which is proving metaphysics (Psychic connections a part of it) - there is the God Particle and the lymph connecting the brain to the psychic points chart and chakras, there is a mirror energy inside the proton or sub-atomic matter which goes to explain what Black Holes might be on a larger scale, and those things are just a few things known to me from the last couple of years - which I posited or learned from the mystics decades ago. I think we will soon have answers to what consciousness is and where it resides inside our brain and elsewhere, and we already have consciousness building robotic designs I suspect.

    “Lewis Mumford, The Myth Of The Machine (vol. 2):”

    “"”The existence in man of a dynamic internal world, whose essential nature cannot be probed by any instrument, and can be known only when it finds expression in gestures and symbols and constructive activities, is a mystery as profound as the forces that bind together the components of the atom and account for the character and behavior of the elements. In man that mystery can be experienced, but not described, still less explained: for the mind cannot mirror itself from within. Only by getting outside itself does it become conscious of its inwardness."
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    In 1904 science was struggling to beat back the rising tide of mysticism including Sir William Crookes who I say is the first quantum physicist even though some Greek and earlier Chaos Science apprehended such thought. We have added a great deal to what thinking and consciousness may be and the ether is a lot more acceptable to most hard scientists but most of the questions still remain as they were when Mendelejeff wrote this paper covered in Scientific American.

    I have made a big deal out of Howard Gardner's research on learning styles and why we should determine the skill set of the student's brain in order to assist in maximizing their potential - for society and their spiritual sense of well-being. It is possible to use a multi-sensory teaching approach because most people have elements of each learning style - and then focus on the specifics once the brain has more fully developed around the age of eight (maybe earlier for girls).

    Krishnamurti understood how important education is and how bad it has been. His institute continues his good work and has these words to say about teaching to assist rather than prevent learning for many people who acquire wisdom through different areas of strength or processes.

    "Often children with specific difficulties get labeled as 'slow learners', a term that tends to be used rather inaccurately. If the child with a difficulty were to be taught using his dominant learning mode, the child would probably respond as quickly as, or quicker than his peers. In considering the child's difficulty, it is a 'condition' which can be surmounted comfortably, provided remedial help is delivered in the right manner at the right time.

    In general, if our educational pattern incorporated extensive multisensory teaching strategies, and similarly, accepted work from students in modes other than visual, these children would have a much better opportunity to cope with the curriculum. For example, a child who has difficulty writing due to problems with motor coordination should be allowed to give tests and examinations orally, much like a viva voce."

    Once we think we know something it is harder to grow, and if we used all of our sensory inputs we would learn more and know (!) less because there is always more to integrate.
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    I went to Philosophy Talk and saw this video discussion that might take years for the bored students who appear to think being bored is a good way to gain wisdom. I make that judgement perhaps unfairly because the first ten minutes sees no response from any student, not even a raised hand. I hope some of them have actually studied enough to know a discussion of Predestination in moral terms was done by Pelagius and Augustine in the Roman times (and by others long before Rome burned the books) they are referencing from Perribone.

    I did not hear any advancement on the early philosophy and reductivist me-too thought. It felt like I was back in my Master's Program Organizational Behaviour class. I could say these people do not really study science or eastern thought, or brain-mapping and all so many exciting new approaches such as Professor Morowitz the Yale Professor of Microbiology addressed in his article from the August 1980 Psychology Today issue. Morowitz argued and referenced all hard scientists with the top people and Nobel Laureates saying they found science proved the ancient mystics understood what they were talking about. Brain-mapping with heat and colour displays tracks where thoughts originate and how the brain functions as yogis and psychics do the things that have amazed people for millennia.

    I wanted to post a thread or reply to provide information on the connections found from brain to chakras and the psychic points chart this past year at the University of Virginia. I wanted to ask if anyone really cared to learn or if they were just looking forward to getting paid for saying the same things which have been said (And not as well) for millennia. I consider the lack of care or moral turpitude which allows people in ivory towers to pontificate with no demonstration of value to be tantamount to fraud. I wonder if John Fischer would find some starting point for thinking in that?

    I searched for various spellings of Perribone to Peribon but did not find the person or book he was reading from so I cannot say much more.

    For people who do not know how Rome got control of Good Acts and made buying your way into a mythical Heaven into the huge money-maker it still is you should read what Pelagius said. You will see there were different power centers inside Christianity as you read this, and you should know it was right around this Time that Rome became more powerful as it fell to the Visigoths in terms of a secular state having some responsibility to take care of it's citizens. Henceforward the priesthoods got the rich rewards of deceit and power for their own designs.

    In his [Honorius] time, the Briton Pelagius spread far and wide his noxious and abominable teaching that man had no need of God's grace, and in this he was supported by Julius of Campania, a bishop who resented his own recent deposition. Saint Augustine and other orthodox fathers quoted many thousand of Catholic authorities against them, but they refused to abandon their folly; on the contrary, their obstinacy was hardened by contradiction, and they refused to return to the true faith."
    So writes Bede in his Historia Ecclesiastica Gentis Anglorum about the teachings of Pelagius, a Romano-British monk who flourished between the fourth and fifth centuries AD and taught that salvation could be attained through free will alone, without the redemption of divine grace. An ascetic, Pelagius was distressed by the moral laxity he witnessed in Rome and attributed it to the doctrine of predestination and divine grace promulgated by Augustine of Hippo, who, he felt, was too unforgiving in his insistence that man was tainted by original sin and, without baptism and the grace of God, could not be saved.

    Pelagius reasoned that, if one could not be held accountable for one's deeds and that salvation came only from bestowed grace, then there was no restraint from sin. Rather, he argued, man was a free moral agent, responsible for resisting evil and choosing good. Divine grace only facilitated the impulse to do so. Yet, in denying original sin and the redemptive power of divine grace, Pelagius called into question the necessity and efficacy of the sacrifice of Christ and, in asserting that the essence of religion was righteousness, diminished the tenets of faith and dogma.

    Pelagius left Rome, having lived there for many years, after it was sacked by the Visigoths in AD 410 and went first to North Africa, where he was confronted by Augustine, and then to Palestine, where he had the support of the bishop of Jerusalem to preach his doctrine. In protesting the helplessness of the individual confronting a predestined divine plan, Pelagianism very well may have been perceived as undermining the social acceptance of imperial and ecclesiastical authority, and permitting the demonstration of social and regional hostility to the Roman church."
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    When a person believes most any thing or idea they close their mind and limit the collective mind. To me this is obvious, but all the time when I question what people believe they say I am flawed, confusing and pompous or worse.

    Invariably other people on the web witness the exchange and usually they pile on like a lynch mob. There are a couple of such events about to happen as I write these words. One has to do with a person writing an alternative to some late Roman Empire history detailing things about the time it was said to have fallen in the 6th Century. Of course that is not even the true picture of normative academic opinion written by Edward Gibbon in a book you can download and read if you doubt me. History Of The Decline And Fall Of The Roman Empire

    He says many things with many facts through many events and concludes the Roman Empire ended with the 15th Century fall of Byzantium which happens as America is supposedly being discovered.

    I have provided evidences which I could inundate any site with detailing forensics from all hard sciences which demonstrate the Americas have had a constant role in European history and secret trade for as long as we have Pyramids which you can find along with serpent and other mounds all over the whole world.

    The other event now taking place is people claiming they know demons, angels and exorcisms in every faith and cult (Which I acknowledge) prove I am wrong about my science even though I have saved a person who had been given Last Rites by a Monsignor who said exorcisms can only be done by those trained in his Church. These people will not read the science or quote it, they will quote Hindus or people who grew up talking about things in those scriptures that have Jinn and other names for the energies named with words representing various deifying dogmas which true believers need to BELIEVE.

    Yes, The Tao of Physics by Capra says the exactitude of Eastern thought including what Wigner and others say is proof. Yes, I accept the definition of Nirvana (All is Within --- The universe) has great merit. But even though I have read books like The Science of Religion and Autobiography of a Yogi by Yogananda I will be told what yogis say about these things. I became a devotee of the many disciplines of Yoga before I turned 20 and my favorites are Agni or Fire Yoga along with Bhakti. Many people think Yoga is all about breathing, but it is all about communicating with spirit, soul and mind. I myself might use the word demon in describing the thinking process of these people but it does not mean there is proof of consciousness in energy.

    I certainly can argue there is Design Intelligence in Nature, I even have written about Ascended Masters. But in the end prejudice will prevail and I will be told I am uninformed and wrong about science and philosophy including things I never said being attributed to me.

    Re-discovering The Mind

    From the viewpoint of a modern microbiologist, we hear the call for integration and common sense in sciences that are all too often devising separate stakes and battlements to pontificate from, on high. The 'experts' thus proving their ignorance because the result inevitably is specious ego and puffery. Truth did not divide herself up for prissy 'nerds' to prevail upon, with their massive convolutions and devious attempts to practice buffoonery upon her.

    In August of 1980 Psychology Today ran an article by Harold J. Morowitz, professor of Molecular Biophysics and Biochemistry at Yale University. I recommend a complete reading of this article for anyone who has suffered through a complete exposure to all that our modern education system is comprised of; as it tries to convince you that everything is 'black and white' and that no soul exists through avoidance of its instruction (except a few artists who defy the norm).


    Physical scientists are returning to the view that thought - meaning mind - is one of nature's ultimate realities'.

    The study of life at all levels, from social to molecular behavior, has in modern times relied on reductionism as the chief explanatory concept. This approach to knowledge tries to comprehend one level of scientific phenomena in terms of concepts at a lower and presumably more fundamental level... Reductionism at the psychological level is exemplified by the viewpoint in Carl Sagan's best selling book THE DRAGONS OF EDEN.

    He writes: 'My fundamental premise about the brain is that its workings- what we sometimes call 'mind' - are a consequence of its anatomy and, physiology and nothing more.' As a further demonstration of this trend of thought, we note that Sagan's glossary does not contain the words mind, consciousness, perception, awareness or thought, but rather deals with entries such as synapse, lobotomy, proteins and electrodes?

    Werner Heisenberg, one of the founders of the new physics, became deeply involved in the issues of philosophy and humanism. In PHILOSOPHICAL PROBLEMS OF QUANTUM PHYSICS, he wrote of physicists having to renounce thoughts of an objective time-scale common to all observers, and of events in time and space that are independent of our ability to observe them. Heisenberg stressed that the laws of nature no longer dealt with elementary particles, but with our knowledge of these particles - that is, with the 'contents of our minds'. Erwin Schr?dinger, the man who formulated the fundamental equation of quantum mechanics, wrote an extraordinary little book in 1958 called MIND AND MATTER. In this series of essays, he moved from the results of the new physics to a rather mystical view of the universe that he identified with the 'perennial philosophy' of Aldous Huxley. Schrodinger was the first of the quantum theoreticians to express sympathy with the UPANISHADS and Eastern philosophical thought. A growing body of literature now embodies this perspective, including two popular works. THE TAO OF PHYSICS by Fritjof Capra, and THE DANCING WU-LI MASTERS by Gary Zukav...

    However, the only simple and consistent description physicists were able to assign to a measurement involved an observer's becoming aware of the result. Thus the physical event and the content of the human mind were inseparable. This linkage forced many researchers to seriously consider consciousness as an integral part of the structure of physics. Such interpretations moved science toward the 'idealist' as contracted with the 'realist' conception of philosophy.

    The views of a large number of contemporary physical scientists are summed up in the essay 'Remarks on the Mind-Body Question' written by Nobel laureate Eugene Wigner. Wigner begins by pointing out that most physical scientists have returned to the recognition that thought - meaning the mind - is primary. He goes on to state: 'It was not possible to formulate the laws of quantum mechanics in a fully consistent way without reference to the consciousness.' And he concludes by noting how remarkable it is that the scientific study of the world led to the content of consciousness as an ultimate reality.'...

    The founders of modern atomic theory did not start out to impose a 'mentalist' picture on the world. Rather, they began with the opposite point of view and were forced to the present day position in order to explain experimental results...

    The results of this chain of reasoning will probably lend more aid and comfort to Eastern mystics than to neurophysiologists and molecular biologists; nevertheless, the closed loop follows from a straightforward combination of the explanatory processes of recognized experts in the three separate sciences. Since individuals seldom work with more than one of these paradigms, the general problem has received little attention...

    We now understand the troublesome features in a forceful commitment to uncritical reductionism as a solution to the problem of mind. We have discussed the weaknesses of that position. In addition to being weak, it is a dangerous view, since the way we respond to our fellow human beings is dependent on the way we conceptualize them in our theoretical formulations. If we envision our fellows solely as animals or machines, we drain our interactions of humanistic richness. If we seek our behavioral norms in the study of animal societies, we ignore those uniquely human features that so much enrich our lives. Radical reductionism offers very little in the area of moral imperatives! Further, it presents the wrong glossary of terms for a humanistic pursuit."

    The Minnesota Twins study has been on-going for decades and it has produced some remarkable results that few reports see the impact of in reference to the very nature of 'humanistic richness' and soulful potentialities. Only once is the top researcher allowed to mention ESP. Much as the Harvard study I have reported, the participants are family members but because they were separated at birth and (in this case) twins - there is a greater connection of ESP or psychic abilities than normal. Isn't this just common sense? Who can doubt it, you might say! Yet most people think ESP is some weird attribute or freak of nature rather than a gift we all have 'within', if they think it exists at all.

    The majority of people today do not know about Tesla's 'non-force info packets', 'free energy', 'energy from vacuum machines by Bearden' or what layers of time/space are involved in all psychic phenomena. Thus those who say they believe in ESP are at a loss to explain and they avoid any real involvement with it. The scientists are similarly ignorant of these things and they (after all) are 'experts' like the doctors who deny the mind-body connection with the soul that is vital to psychic utilization. Our present culture DENIED these truly human and fantastic or exquisite depths of being.
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    In the matter of consciousness and the World Mind science has no accepted viewpoint and the mystics had many languages and perspectives which do in fact confuse any student. As a writer, the words I use mean one thing to me and quite another to the reader. There are many potentials for miss-understanding in the degrees of consciousness that exist in all things - living and dead.

    I say energy has design and not consciousness but in the design there are elements of behavior which cause things to occur in a replicable manner most of the time. In the collective energy banks, bandwidths of the energy form and coalesce and then are triggered by other energy inputs from the environment, a summoner, or an exorcist. If the energy in a person came from another person which had a long association and attunement with that person it will have a strong hold caused by the acceptance of the possessed person. That acceptance can be augmented by cultural BELIEF and religion, as was the case with the woman who was freed from her abusive father's soul moving on. She would not even consider anything other than her religion's explanations for any of the symptoms her husband described, I interpreted, and we worked on.

    When I say the soul of the father who had abused this woman and her sister for almost all of their life while he was alive, moved on I could be saying it was his total soul that was trapped in her. I cannot be certain how much of his soul was trapped, I doubt it all was trapped. I am near to certain the part of the oversoul or collective had indeed moved on, before the circle was formed séance-style by the husband, sister, Monsignor, nurse and psychiatrist that was completed by touching the almost dead wife and loved one. I was not there and I had said they could use hands on her hands or the psychic point on the upper arm near the shoulder which the husband had done when I first got involved to ascertain if the issue was spirit-driven or caused. There is another word - spirit. Some would say that is a potential demon. You, as the reader might have a different meaning for spirit, mind, soul, brain, consciousness and each and every word we exchange. I have already opened a door to part of the father's soul not being in the abused daughter he fixated upon and was trapped in. Then I just used the word 'fixated' which is like a person who is Obsessive-Compulsive or caught up in a religious cult or BELIEF. It took at least two months of my communicating with the husband who was a deacon (Or whatever Catholics call such a person) in his church. At a certain point he got the sister involved and she was already free of the dogma in the family. She was a 'black sheep'' and nature-worshipper of some sort. When the father's soul exited the wife, she was thrown out of the circle and almost out of the window. The husband had had heart by-pass surgery and Bio-feedback stress relief therapy a year or two before I met him. This made him a great person for what we were involved with. He had been a little distance along the NDE or Near Death pathway and I had spoken about Jung, Moody and others in this area of study.

    At this juncture a reader should have many questions, and each reader would need different answers, which I would have to question the reader in determining what the correct reply might be. It might be appropriate to visualize a Pyramid with ever increasing refinement of energy moving up the Pyramid but leaving behind the gross or dross bulk of energy at stages or steps going up the Pyramid. In some mystical precepts or systems this is called Harmonic Convergence.

    About ten years after the exorcism in Indianapolis I lived in Las Vegas and married a young woman in full knowledge it was not going to last in normal parlance or thought. She had been abused all of her life. That sounds almost impossible and yet it started before she was born. A person living in my house was a Wiccan with special adeptness in remote mental programming and regression or past life visualizations. He put her 'under' through suggestion. We had discussed what the process was in advance. My wife was an easy subject and I could see physiological changes in her body at a certain time when another soul entered into her. At least that is what we all thought later when we discussed it. I have probably jumped ahead of myself already. The Wiccan told her to stop the downward elevator whenever she wanted. One early stop was in the womb before another entity joined her, which was her sister or twin.

    We asked her who this entity was and she said it was her abusive father from the life she had just left by suicide. That was pretty trippy, and Jerry (The Wiccan) almost brought her back to discuss it, but there was no evident discomfort and we continued. My wife said she forgave the father and allowed her sister to join her, they were good friends and the sister later heard about his. She had become a lesbian and agreed with many things I said about the whole family. We went through another three lives or more and then the stomach of my wife was looking like the creature in the movie Alien had entered her body. My wife knew a few languages but her words often switched to a language none of us could guess at. Jerry brought her back and out of the trance. We were all both excited and confused. We talked about it for a few days before doing it over again.

    The whole thing was quite intense for me, Jerry and I felt she had been a hand-maiden to a person through many lives. At times they seemed to be high Priest or Queen and my wife a close confidant, might even have been the royal consort. We thought my wife had gone back at least to a pre-Egyptian era, and maybe even 30,000 years or more. Jerry had never seen a person stay in the elevator for so long. My wife was Vietnamese or Ainu (I now know but I did not know much about the Ainu then.) and Jerry and I knew a little about the Sidhe (Who I now consider are the D'Ainu or Homer's DN.) and Tuatha (It was my chosen magical name). At one point the other soul said "Bob, I love you!"
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    I think most people who will read this will not accept what I am saying here without doing a lot of checking into the facts.

    I tried sending through an attachment from a fellow researcher who is working on the Kabbalah as derivative from Qabala which is an ancient Verbal Tradition such as kept by the Bairds or bards and the Bardic Tradition for over 25,000 years. He finds my history is supportive and I see his sets of codes in English and other things of great value. The particular piece is 19 pages on just the letter 'E' without getting too verbose or using illustrations, which he has lots of. The Gematria is not a specialty of mine although I am pretty good at pre-history languages and not bad at Green Languages and alchemical allegories in the Jung from Silberer subset derived from alchemy or Hermetics. That has usages in psychotherapy and mind control which they call Neuro Psycho Linguistics and other words and systems they often do not understand; part of it once was called Dream Analysis but they have gone far along the path of programming the mind. Kind of funny how psychiatrists say they do not believe in a soul and yet they use these archetypes from our collective soul.

    So as Dion Fortune did say - Kabbalah is 'twisted'. They have built these constructs or dimensional energy designs so that Masons and other 'traveling men' as some call them (astral travels) will think they have stumbled upon a great truth through their 'visions'. After all; who can imagine that elementals and dimensional energies are subject to such design engineering - eh? As Jung says in his forward to The Tibetan Book of the Dead - the Hindu will see Shiva and that hierarchy whereas the Christian will go through the Bardol stages of Afterlife and see the likes of Gabriel then Jesus.'

    Here is a correspondence from the fellow researcher mentioned above. His name is Dennis Fetcho or The Fetch.

    "No I haven't seen any of your recent stuff. Been travelling a lot these past few months. Spent a month in the hospital in Montreal from an attack in December that left me unable to move for a few weeks due to the multiple fractures suffered. Some of my advisors called the attack a military style hit with the intent to kill. Missed hitting my head on the streets, but the rest of the body took a licking!

    Yeah. Had drinks with one of Jordan's top masons while in Amman and he was so impressed that he wanted to confer an honorary degree on me... as he said, "If only it were in my power". I have many ideas in mind and one is to infiltrate Masonry and fuse it with "right thinking" based on my Isisian Code System which I know would be very accepted in such an environment.

    It is easy to destroy a paradigm through decay within. I think it is a favored "Jehovian strategy!"... lol"

    "The members of the secret F.O.G.C. {from the words of a top Rosicrucian friend this means the Freemasonic Order of the Golden Centurion.} Lodge, greatly feared in occult circles, had gathered for a general meeting in Dresden. The Meeting hall was in a large villa, hidden in the midst of a private park behind a tall hedge and large trees. The Grand Master of the lodge had invited ninety-eight of the ninety-nine members to attend. Long before the meeting commenced, the members had taken their places at two long tables.

    All conversation in the hall became muted when the Grand Master entered accompanied by his second-in-command, who acted as Secretary. There was a platform opposite the hall's entrance where the Grand Master sat down behind a desk. He rang a bell and at once there was complete silence. He addressed the brethren of the lodge in an intense penetrating voice:

    'My dear brothers, I hereby open today's meeting and I am pleased that you have accepted my invitation. As you know, according to the laws of the lodge a general meeting such as this is only declared in very special cases. You may have already noticed that Brother Silesius is not present. Unfortunately, he has been found guilty of betraying lodge secrets and, as Point Number One of the agenda, we will discuss his sentence. Point Number Two concerns Frabato the Magician, who is becoming so well-known here in Dresden.

    'My dear brothers, you all know that Brother Silesius has reached the twenty-fifth degree of initiation in our lodge, and therefore must have been fully aware of his offences. His excessive zeal seduced him to reveal to one of his friends the rituals we use to invoke the elemental beings. According to the laws of our lodge, the breaking of an oath and the disclosure of secrets are punishable by death...

    Although the verdict had deeply shaken the Grand Master, he quickly regained his composure and continued in a calmer voice.

    'Since Point Number One of the agenda has been settled, let us now deal with the case of Frabato. Some of the brethren present attended his performances and were able to convince themselves of his abilities at close range. It has been proven that he works without the aid of conventional tricks. His experiments succeeded beyond all expectation; yes, they were even better than what many of our own brethren would be able to accomplish. Hermes, one of our more versatile brothers, paid a visit to Frabato in order to test him. He will now tell you of his experience.

    The distinguished gentleman who had visited Frabato late at night now rose from amongst the brethren.

    'I chose the best astrological hour for my visit to Frabato. I also took into account the correspondences of the elements in order to place myself in a strong initial position. Besides this, I hoped he would be exhausted after the performance he had just given; that would have been to my advantage. I explained the unusual time of my visit by telling him I had a journey to make which could not be postponed. Upon hearing this, Frabato looked at me sharply and then smiled faintly without uttering a word.

    'I then painted a very colorful picture of our lodge membership; pointed out its many advantages, and promised him a large sum of money from our funds should he decide to join. But Frabato completely ignored my proposals and started to talk about his journeys, his performances and successes in many cities and towns. He was able to arouse my curiosity so strongly that I almost forgot the reason for my visit.

    In time I interrupted him and tried to direct his attention to my offer, He rose and pulled a suitcase out from under his bed saying, 'Now let us have a look at what the Akashic records have to say about your lodge.'

    'As you know, my dear brothers, I am well acquainted with occult methods and practices; therefore I was determined to use all my powers to prevent Frabato's experiment. But as soon as the notion entered my mind, he said to me, as if by chance, 'Dear Mr. Hermes, my experiments depend purely upon my will power and cannot be influenced or prevented by you. They will succeed whether you actively appose them or not.'

    'I felt that Frabato could see right through me, and surmised that I would have no chance against him, so I watched his preparations intently {Intent is a key attribute to be developed.}. First he cleaned his hands carefully, took a small bottle out of his suitcase, and applied a few drops to his hands. No doubt it was prepared from the essences of certain plants, {Perhaps Belladonna and lilac extract which have long been part of the shamanic medicine bag, mixed with a little blood of the practitioner in order to aid genetic attunement at a solar or molecular and animal state consciousness.} for a pleasant fragrance permeated the room. He then took a small lamp out of a little box and put it on the table. Then, from a second box, he brought forth a glass ball about twenty centimeters in diameter and placed it on a stand on the table. When I asked him what purpose this glass ball served, Frabato laughed and replied, 'If there were any clairvoyants in your lodge, and if they really possessed the knowledge which you attempt or pretend to have, then they would know that this is a magic mirror. This sphere contains a liquid, the particular composition of which requires not only patient work but excellent magical abilities as well.'

    'I was enraged; but I tried to control myself, for I felt that nothing remained hidden from this man.

    'I am going to show you a film, and then you can judge for yourself whether it is really advantageous to be a member of your lodge,' he continued.

    'I watched each of his movements attentively, to be sure that he was not employing any tricks. He rolled up the sleeves of his shirt and sat down beside me in front of the sphere. Then he stretched both his hands towards the glass ball, his fingers slightly splayed. A grayish-white light escaped from the tips of his fingers and was absorbed by the sphere which, a few moments later, began to illuminate everything with a fluorescent ball of light the color of a fiery opal.... I was by that time in some suspense as he said:

    'Next we shall look behind the scenes of your esteemed Grand Master's life.... The color of the Grand Master's face changed a few times. When Hermes began to describe some of the more startling events of the Grand Master's life as revealed to him in the magic mirror, the Grand Master discreetly gave him to understand that this was not desirable. Hermes understood and skillfully moved on to more general topics. {The same was done for eight of the top members of the lodge.}"

    The last quote is from my book Hitler v. Frabato and "The Charm of Making".
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