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    Psychedelics - Ayahuasca Explorations

    In the following blog we see people who may know something even though they spell psychedelic wrong. I think the first person makes a good point about people (Hancock, McKenna, Icke) ripping off and losing the real benefit of the culture the sacred potion comes from. I know Don Juan used mescaline to take Carlos away from his materialistic focus but stopped drug use thereafter. I trust Aldous Huxley did not go far off the deep end. I certainly think these drugs have helped humanity see things and do things that did enhance their lives throughout human evolution.

    As the person talks about the context of the culture I think that includes spiritual guides and attunements passed down with the nature around them. A visitor would take a long time to get that as much as might be necessary and excess drug use would not help. It probably is a genetic transfer of information just as the monkey babies who were taken to an area they had never been in Japan but they knew where the food was left by humans because their parents had known it. More to the point - I would only trust the outcome if hard factual evidence was gleaned or located - and I do not think it is the case with Hancock, Icke or Mc Kenna. LSD is the best cure for alcoholism and it was stupid to stop using it for what it was designed for.

    For the locals with a focus on these rituals and associated dancing etc - major difference and growth potential such as you see the old man in Australia moving the fire to John Glenn passing overhead in Mercury or the movie The Right Stuff. The adepts who learn the old ways can do what Crocodile Dundee did with the Water Buffalo in his path - this I am certain about as I am with affecting the wind and rain for Druids like St. Columba. In short I am not 100 % certain Hancock is not learning and getting some valid insights to past or very distant anthropological knowledge. I have experienced bibliomantic things of a similar and amazing sort. I am not the MOST gifted person who ever did these things. I have never used anything more than marijuana - but some of it was cured with LSD or opiates etc. I really did not heighten my insight by their use.

    http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index...c=4585.55;wap2

    Now you may think genetic info transfer such as the schools set up by St. Germain in Vienna which I have written about in some of my books (Including those on Hitler) is pure poppycock. I know there is this kind of thing in my life.

    Here is research which explains it genetically, but you have to combine what I said above - they are just starting to find out these things (like the lymph system to brain and psychic points as well as chakra stuff I have reported). I am not kidding - I know more about this stuff than the people spending billions of bucks on it.

    "The research published in the open access journal Genome Biology focuses on the use of horizontal gene transfer, the transfer of genes between organisms living in the same environment.

    'This is the first study to show how widely horizontal gene transfer (HGT) occurs in animals, including humans, giving rise to tens or hundreds of active 'foreign' genes,' said lead author Alastair Crisp from the University of Cambridge.

    'Surprisingly, far from being a rare occurrence, it appears that HGT has contributed to the evolution of many, perhaps all, animals and that the process is ongoing, meaning that we may need to re-evaluate how we think about evolution.'


    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...#ixzz3ugc10efc "

    Imagine the use of gene transfer technology when we know how to enhance the soul or brain uses!

    http://www.nature.com/mt/journal/v15.../6300278a.html

    I posted this to the Truth Zone which appears to be very active and it might have some intellectual types who will tear me an asshole - we shall see. http://truth-zone.net/forum/history/...lorations.html

    Nary a one who can reason - more illiterate and culturally devolved - as is the whole web it seems. I joined a Delphi Group which has hundreds of thousands of people and all there is - flame wars. People defending ego - how can humanity get out of this?

    Here are actual research people from all over the world working on HGT between plants (shamans communicate with) and bacteria (in our stomachs there are a thousand types if I recall). I would have started a conversation suggesting there are people who could accelerate their studies (Hank Wesselmann for one) to be inter species and human level complexity. But then I remembered all the archy types who have been proven wrong who hide out in schools trying to avoid being found out for the frauds they are.

    http://www.scirp.org/journal/PaperIn...?PaperID=32074

    I laid a big challenge to Christian Gnostics as well - in spirituality. Boy are there some mental deficients there, is Nazism really coming back!

    Yogananda has a way of fulfilling a desire for knowing even when it is impossible to believe it can be true. This is a little something from his Autobiography I hope can touch any reader who wishes for more.

    "“Pratap, I will instruct you in the Kriya of Lahiri Mahasaya, the greatest yogi of modern times. His technique will be your guru.”

    The initiation was concluded in a half hour. “Kriya is your chintamani,” 7 I told the new student. “The technique, which as you see is simple, embodies the art of quickening man’s spiritual evolution. Hindu scriptures teach that the incarnating ego requires a million years to obtain liberation from maya. This natural period is greatly shortened through Kriya Yoga. Just as Jagadis Chandra Bose has demonstrated that plant growth can be accelerated far beyond its normal rate, so man’s psychological development can be also speeded by an inner science. Be faithful in your practice; you will approach the Guru of all gurus.”"
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    In the realitysandwich interview with a filmmaker which follows we see the drug activates bad thoughts and cleanses them. HMMMM - that is not very visionary in my book. I also see Jan Kounen does his usual non-linear approach so what is it that one really gains form the experience other than the cool aspect of doing what others have enjoyed tripping on? I am a fan of shamans and natural attunement but I will not be doing these drugs to get something I think can be had in other less damaging ways which I have already done.

    "Do you think that darker experiences with ayahuasca test the strength of the psyche so that the soul can know the healing power of the plant? Is the infamous purge always necessary or something that goes away in time or after more practice?

    I don’t think that there is any specific role of ayahuasca’s dark side necessarily, there is just the role of the medicine to put you in a better balance with yourself and the world.

    So the dark side we are facing through ayahuasca, which acts as a mirror, can be coming from many directions simultaneously; bad food, physical illness, fears and trauma, self esteem issues, inflated ego, cultural implants, etc.

    If you look at ayahuasca as an energetic medicine, all dark experience are really cleaning operations, re-establishing into the being a good balance (physical, spiritual, emotional, mental).

    In other words, you don’t see in the normal state of consciousness how much of you inside is a mess (at least mine is), but you basically have the best possible healer with you, so you kind of purge through these dark visions.

    So when you have the dark visions you ask the medicine to evacuate it, to vibrationally cleanse it in order to help you be rid of it. You might purge, you might not—especially in later journeys—but when the visions are gone then the next day you will feel like a new born.



    Can you explain how working with these kinds of plant medicines have caused you to view your role as a filmmaker differently, or how it has effected your overall view of art and inspiration?

    For me as a filmmaker, you’re projecting through a film, ideas, topics, concepts, emotions, rhythms, cognitive information.

    Ayahuasca over a long period of use changes you holistically as a human being, so naturally it changes your relations to all of those realms at once. So it changed my approach to cinema, too.

    You have to watch my pre-ayahuasca films, and my post ayahuasca films in order to see the changes I guess, but I look at my work differently now, more energetically.

    A film, a painting, a piece of music, words, contain energy. So the question becomes; what energy do you want to propel into society?


    In Visionary Ayahuasca there’s an amusing anecdote concerning peyote.

    What do you see being the central qualitative differences between aya and other plant medicines?

    Peyote is a different experience, more sensitive and bodily than visionary. I had an incredible moment with peyote that I describe in my book.

    I have dieted on many varieties of Amazonian plants through the Shipibo way, it’s complementary to Ayahuasca.

    Most Amazonian plant medicines function in healing. Some of them you have to be very cautious with because they are dangerous, Toé (Datura) for example, and they all work differently. For example some, like pignon blanco, are not inherently psychoactive, but will instead work to magnify the visual component of your dreams.

    The quest in this case may be about finding the plant that you can have a good relation with, then a respected relation with love and caution can develop.

    It’s a love story, and like anything you can have ecstatic love and drama sometimes equally.

    The role of the healer is to aid in these encounters, to help you find the right plants that are willing be your ally.



    What are your thoughts on neotribalism or neopaganism and the aspects of Western hegemony in re-appropriation of South American or shamanic practices in general?

    Even though there is sincere and legitimate healing happening, there seem to be stereotypes of naive tourists who do want more of an ayahuasca vacation quick fix, and this image has also been magnified by mainstream media.

    I suppose it’s the natural movement of the world, the crossover and dispersion of all things in global culture. In a way it’s probably logical to get to that stage in our culture.

    But I did my films and books basically for 2 reasons:

    The first is that I recognized the knowledge of indigenous cultures is way ahead of the West currently in the exploration of the inner world, the invisible world, and the nature of consciousness.

    The second is simply to give some information to my fellow compatriots in the West about these experiences.

    We are all still like children in these realms, but the wisdom and mystery of the teachers is there, too.

    Concerning Westerner’s beliefs; I do not know of them. Life is short and I decided to concentrate on exploring those realities with the Shipibo, through their science and medicine. A life time of drinking ayahuasca may not be enough learning anyway!



    This is a speculative question but, do you think that ayahuasca as we know it today was ever used by the past by any cultures outside of South America, or by those with European ancestry?

    I’m thinking particularly of European witchcraft lineages which tended to have an extensive knowledge of visionary plants. Usually these were taken specifically to cure illness or in general to heal the mind. Scholars like Claudia Müller-Ebeling and Christian Ratsch have also speculated about this.

    Of course. It’s evident for me.

    We’ve had the knowledge of the plant world maybe more directly in the past, and we do still have many master plants in Europe.

    A lot of this has been destroyed by religious cults under the notion of “progress”, but the scientific evidence for healing properties of plants is all over the globe and is still preserved in books as you say.

    Visionary plants do seem to be encoded at the foundation of all religions, that’s the paradox; the plants still exist, but the knowledge about all all of the more rare plants might still be in danger of disappearing.



    What would you say to those that think ayahuasca visions are hallucinations or mere tricks of the mind?

    For instance, do you believe in astral projection, remote viewing, divination and other aspects of trans-subjective mass visions such as two or more people experiencing the exact same visions of spirits? There have been reports of said spirits being also verified by those that did not drink in ceremony.

    Marlene Dobkin De Rios, John Perkins, and other scholars have documented all of this phenomena as being possible amongst the indigenous, too.

    Ayahuasca visions are called tricks of the mind?

    I don’t want to sound rude, but these sorts of thoughts usually do come from Westerners—the so-called non believers from the indigenous point of view—who have not yet taken this medicine.

    If a person has taken a good dose of ayahuasca, if your mind and body are ready and prepared, and if you have the visions, the question of that same person may become the next morning; Ayahuasca visions, are they tricks or messages from God?

    When I started writing the book I was over 100 ceremonies, I’m now over 400. In 16 years there is still one thing relevant for me:

    You witness a lot of crazy stuff in ayahuasca ceremonies!

    I’ve had sessions where life becomes magic and timelines explode, so in this sense it feels like anything is possible for me."


    http://realitysandwich.com/319709/ja...ary-ayahuasca/
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