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    Nazi Intellectuals

    My first thought when I went looking to see what quality of intellect might be found attributed to the Nazi flag or Germany was it might include Nietzsche. He was a nobody until he died and the Nazis made him famous, I will grant he is a figure worth some respect in Philosophy but he would not have found the Brown Shirts or thugs as his ideal uber-mensch. In fact he would roll over in his grave for being considered part of the repression and outright anti-intellectual nature of a pre-feudal ideologue like Himmler and Hitler - sorcerers at best.

    Well Wikipedia did not disappoint me, he is there front and center, but only through an interpretation. In fact he is the only person I could even come close to calling an intellectual except for one person in science and Heidegger whose involvement is dubious and his acclaim or recognition is also. They could have listed Goethe and Thomas Carlyle who did support certain ideologies of hero as leader, but they would not have found Adolf to their liking. Werner von Braun should be on the list of scientists but the US did a whitewash on him and maybe that whitening of his image still has power in Wikiland.

    I will check into Johannes Stark who won a Nobel Prize and see if he was associated with Heisenberg who should have been on the list even though he is clear in his case of only being a proud German and having no liking for Nazism. You can throw out any person with racial hygienic or eugenics - it is not even pre-feudal - it is non-intellect at it's lowest or basest level. It had much support in the US as I have illustrated elsewhere. Here is the list:

    "Philosophers and sociologists[edit]
    Alfred Baeumler (1887–1968), German philosopher in Nazi Germany. He was a leading interpreter of Friedrich Nietzsche's philosophy as legitimizing Nazism. Thomas Mann read Baeumler's work on Nietzsche in the early 1930s, and characterized passages of it as "Hitler prophecy."[1]
    Alfred Rosenberg (1893–1946), considered one of the main authors of key Nazi ideological creeds, including the racial policy of Nazi Germany, antisemitism, Lebensraum, abrogation of the Treaty of Versailles, and opposition to degenerate art. He is also known for his rejection of Christianity, while playing a role in the development of Positive Christianity. At Nuremberg he was tried, sentenced to death, and executed by hanging as a war criminal.[2]
    Martin Heidegger (1889–1976), German philosopher who was politically involved with National Socialism. The relations between Martin Heidegger and Nazism remain controversial. He was a member of the Nazi party, he joined the NSDAP on May 1, 1933 three weeks after being appointed rector of the University of Freiburg. Heidegger resigned the rectorship one year later, in April 1934, but remained a member of the NSDAP until the end of World War II. His first act as rector was to eliminate all democratic structures, including those that had elected him rector. There were book burnings on his campus, though he successfully stopped some of them. There was also student violence.[3]
    Ernst Krieck (1882–1947), German pedagogue.[4]
    Herman Schmalenbach (1885–1950), who refined the concepts of Gemeinschaft and Bund.[5]
    Carl Schmitt (11 July 1888 – 7 April 1985) was a jurist, philosopher, political theorist, and professor of law. Schmitt joined the Nazi Party on 1 May 1933.[6] He presented his theories as an ideological foundation of the Nazi dictatorship, and a justification of the "Führer" state with regard to legal philosophy, in particular through the concept of auctoritas. Nevertheless, in December 1936, the SS publication Das schwarze Korps accused Schmitt of being an opportunist, a Hegelian state thinker and basically a Catholic, and called his anti-semitism a mere pretense, citing earlier statements in which he criticized the Nazis' racial theories. After this, Schmitt resigned from his position as "Reichsfachgruppenleiter" (Reich Professional Group Leader), although he retained his post as a professor in Berlin, and his post as "Preußischer Staatsrat". Although Schmitt continued to be investigated into 1937, further reprisals were stopped by Göring.[7][8] In 1945, Schmitt was captured by the American forces and released in 1946. Schmitt refused every attempt at de-nazification, which effectively barred him from positions in academia.

    Scientists and physicians[edit]
    Hans Friedrich Karl Günther (1891–1968), German race researcher and eugenicist in the Weimar Republic and Nazi Germany, also known as "Rassengünther" (Race Günther) or "Rassenpapst" (Race Pope). He is considered to be a major influence on National Socialist racialist thought, and was a member of the Nazi Party.[9]
    Philipp Lenard (1862–1947), Nobel laureate and ideologue of the Deutsche Physik movement.
    Alfred Ploetz (1860–1940), German physician, biologist, and eugenicist who introduced the concept of racial hygiene in Germany. He was a member of the Nazi party.[10] His brother Ernst Rüdin, also a committed National Socialist, praised him in 1938 as a man who "by his meritorious services has helped to set up our Nazi ideology."[11]
    Johannes Stark (1874–1957), Nobel laureate and ideologue of the Deutsche Physik movement.
    Otmar Freiherr von Verschuer (1896–1969), German human biologist and eugenicist primarily concerned with racial hygiene and twin research.
    Eugen Fischer. German biologist, member of the Nazi Party, prominent in genetics and "racial hygiene".
    Fritz Lenz. German geneticist, member of the Nazi Party, and influential specialist in "racial hygiene"."
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    A recent expose worth more than a few good laughs at the troglodytes singing the praises of Hitler and Nazism (aka Book burning morons). It is a book promoted on Scientific American.

    "Reprinted with permission fromServing the Reich: The Struggle for the Soul of Physics under Hitler, by Philip Ball. The University of Chicago Press. Copyright © 2014, Philip Ball. All rights reserved.

    Anti-Semitism did not just deprive German physics of some of its most valuable researchers. It also threatened to prescribe what kind of physics one could and could not do. For Nazi ideology was not merely a question of who should be allowed to live and work freely in the German state—like a virus, it worked its way into the very fabric of intellectual life. Shortly after the boycott of Jewish businesses at the start of April 1933, the Nazified German Students Association declared that literature should be cleansed of the “un-German spirit”, resulting on 10 May in the ritualistic burning of tens of thousands of books marred by Jewish intellectualism. These included works by Sigmund Freud, Bertolt Brecht, Karl Marx, Stefan Zweig and Walter Benjamin: books full of corrupt, unthinkable ideas. Into some of these pyres, baying students threw the books of Albert Einstein.

    It was one thing to say that art was decadent—that its elitist abstraction or lurid imagery would lead people astray. And the “depraved” sexuality saturating the pages of Freud’s works was self-evidently contaminating. But how could a scientific theory be objectionable? How could one even develop a pseudo-moralistic position on a notion that was objectively right or wrong? Besides, hadn’t Einstein’s relativity been proven? What did it even mean to say that science could be subverted by the “Jewish spirit”?

    It would be absurd, of course, to suppose that most of the book-burners had given these questions a moment’s thought. The simple fact was that Einstein was a prominent Jew, and his thoughts therefore fit for the bonfire. But Einstein’s theory was attacked on racial grounds. This assault came not by asinine ideologues in the party whose knowledge of science extended no further than a belief in fairy tales about “cosmic ice,” nor from individuals on the scientific fringe seeking official approval and support. It was orchestrated by two Nobel laureates in physics, who devised a full-blown thesis (it can’t be dignified by calling it a theory) on how stereotypical racial features are exhibited in scientific thinking. They were Philipp Lenard and Johannes Stark, and they wanted to become the new Führers of German physics.

    The story is ugly, sad, at times comic. It illustrates the complicated interactions between science and politics in Nazi Germany, for although one might expect the “Aryan physics” (Deutsche Physik) of Stark and Lenard to have been welcomed by the National Socialists, its reception in official circles was decidedly mixed, and in the end it was ignored. The case of Deutsche Physik reveals how much of what went on in the Nazi state depended on how you played your cards rather than on what sort of hand you held. It shows how the German scientists’ pretensions of being “apolitical” did not prevent politics from infecting scientific ideas themselves, and almost overwhelming them. Perhaps most importantly, the story explodes the comforting myth that science offers insulation against profound irrationality and extremism.

    Against relativity

    Lenard’s anti-Semitism festered for years before the Nazi era, and as was the case with many other haters of Jews his antipathy was fuelled by a sense of exclusion and injustice. The fact is that Lenard was a rather unremarkable man: an excellent experimental scientist in his heyday, but of limited intellectual depth, and emotionally and imaginatively stunted. When circumstances contrived to carry him further than his talents should have permitted, he was forced to attribute his shortcomings to the deceptions and foolishness of others. This combination of prestige and deluded self-image is invariably poisonous. There is no better example than Lenard to show that a Nobel Prize is no guarantee of wisdom, humanity or greatness of any sort, and that, strange as it may seem, the award can occasionally provoke feelings of inadequacy.

    Lenard was given the prize in 1905 for his studies of cathode rays, the “radiation” emitted from hot metals. They were manifested as a glow that emerged from a negatively charged metal plate (cathode) inside a sealed, evacuated “cathode-ray tube” and made its way to a positively charged plate. Directed on to the glass walls of the tube – or as researchers discovered, on to sheets of particular minerals – the cathode rays stimulated bright fluorescence. Like his mentor Heinrich Hertz at the University of Bonn, Lenard at first believed these rays to be fluctuations in the ether—like light, as it was then conceptualized. But while J. J. Thomson, director of the Cavendish Laboratory in Cambridge, noted in 1897 that this was “the almost unanimous opinion of German physicists”, he had results that implied otherwise. Thomson showed that cathode rays have negative electric charge, being deflected by electric and magnetic fields, and he concluded that they were in fact streams of particles. They were given the name proposed some years earlier by the Irish physicist George Johnstone Stoney for the smallest possible unit of electrical charge: electrons. As Lenard put it, electrons are the quanta of electricity.

    Lenard discovered how to enable cathode rays to escape from the vacuum chamber in which they were created, so that they could be examined more closely. He also investigated the photoelectric effect the expulsion of electrons from metals irradiated with ultraviolet light – and discovered that the energy of these electrons did not depend on the intensity of the light but only on its wavelength. When Einstein explained this result in 1905 in terms of Planck’s quantum hypothesis, Lenard felt that his discovery had been stolen. That bitterness deepened when Einstein was awarded the 1921 Nobel Prize in Physics for his work on the photoelectric effect. This was not Lenard’s only early source of resentment. He felt that he should have discovered X-rays before Wilhelm Röntgen, and was sure that he would have done so if the jealousies of senior professors had not denied him better opportunities. And hadn’t he offered Röntgen advice about constructing the cathode-ray tube used for this discovery, which Röntgen didn’t even have the good grace to acknowledge?

    But if the German professors selfishly and unjustly hid their intellectual debts, the English were worse. Thomson should have given him more credit for his work on the photoelectric effect, for instance. This, however, was no more than one could expect from a nation of vulgar materialists—Lenard would surely have sympathy with Napoleon’s remark about shopkeepers—who knew nothing of the heroic, selfless Germanic Kultur. James Franck later claimed that, when he was fighting at the front in the First World War, Lenard wrote to him expressing his hope that the defeat of the English would make amends for their never having cited him decently.

    An operation for an illness of the lymph nodes around 1907 left Lenard less able to work, and contributed to his difficulties in keeping up with the latest developments in physics. Because he was not mathematically adept, he could not get to grips with relativity or quantum theory. As a result, he decided they were nonsense. The fact that this nonsense—whose premier architect was Einstein—was being accepted and acclaimed by physicists all over the world must therefore be the result of a conspiracy. And conspiracies and cabals were the specialty of Jews."
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    The following link will take you to excerpts and speeches by Hitler and Himmler as well as photo shoots with the likes of Neville Chamberlain. It is always good to know that people are willing to believe their blood or race is better than others even when told this by those who are not of that blood and they ask the good blood people to spill their blood for immoral purposes.

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    Does government have a responsibility to manage society? YES!

    Do today's governments have an opportunity to provide the laws to enable full implementation of technology so all citizens have more money without even having to do what they would call work? YES!

    Will any government larger than Singapore ever cut costs by managing technology to enable a better society? I do not see any signs of it.

    Will the mind control technology we saw a little about in Futurescape be used? YES!

    Will you know when it is used on you? Probably not.

    Were Goebbels and Stalin right to say things like the Family Compact in Canada said before them? YES! "Why educate people - it just makes them harder to manage."

    Co-dependency and enabling issues can be addressed before they become debilitating, often we will need to bring parents in for re-education and personal coaching.

    The next author is addressing a whole host of issues near and dear to my heart. I like to think I have taken what some detractors have labelled 'conspiracy theory' into a new realm. I consider this genre to be Progressive and liberal both politically and scientifically. It does not cringe from facts but prioritizes possible actions and seeks pragmatic plans. First step being informing oneself and our 'brothers'. Father de Chardin called it a "Conspiracy of Love". There are many actual conspiracy theorists who work for the behemoth and get good money from their sheople or the government. I would want to see video stations or wall projectors making movies like The Elephant Man, Birth of a Nation, Atomic Cafe and Reefer Madness available - maybe detention could be an opportunity to get people interested in things they presently feel they have no interest in. Would there be detention classes if students only came to classes they wanted to take and no one was bored to be in?

    This discussion is part of a favorite movie of mine.

    This link and website introduction makes it sound like consciousness can be proven in a mechanistic scientific manner and some day that might be true. It has always been part of mystical knowledge and part of the metaphysicist's approach to think of the universe and each part of it as connected. The Buddhists say "All is within, the universe." I am not convinced that consciousness studies have accelerated enough to claim this level of certainty. Futurescape is saying they have machines that will allow control of the collective human mind or World Mind. I understand how they are going to do that and I have laid out the history of their efforts to that end. THAT does not mean they will succeed - and I hope they don't or that they only succeed to a degree which makes some sense.

    Some social scientists make a very good point about the purpose of education in our recent history when they note the Industrial Revolution sought workers to punch time clocks and follow the bosses and their minion's orders. The homogenization of memorization being the key to learning assumes something worse than what isn't in evidence. It is not evident that linear logical processes or competency in memory skills is paramount to the functioning character development of productive people. In fact we have ample reason to limit these skills now that hand held or wristwatch sized data bases are able to connect to near total knowledge networks. Forgetting that important point, we must understand what education and teaching really is supposed to achieve. Simple common sense alone would indicate a high priority should exist in the augmentation of interest in learning and the joys it may offer a person throughout their life.

    Co-operative and social integrational skills teaching are well enough developed in the science of education and should be given more support. In Canada the word 'co-operative' is used but the purposes of learning style and personality differences aren't known by the teachers who think co-operative learning means some kind of teamwork between teachers, students and parents. Group dynamics within the student's core appreciation of purpose and relating to each other is more the point. Seeing the benefits of a good creative spatial competency in another person within the group and learning the most important things are useful creative outputs rather than some goal established by someone outside the group, might have more merit. The compassionate diplomatic and purposeful ethic of net additional value rather than homogenized adherence to hypocritical unquestioned pablum with frequent prejudicial or egoistically infused judgement needs support.

    Celebration of relevant new approaches that offer explorations of new perspectives without a sense of black and white answers are seldom found and the character seems to be judged according to how well we imitate or fit the prevailing 'norm'. How can we maintain a desire to explore that is born into the human core courage to know something more than the personal? When will knowing how to cope with sexual, sensual psychological nurturing and other life skills including how to make each other healthier become valued? The old emphasis on individuals enjoying each others different character becomes lost in a maze of peer and social structure. Is it possible that people will learn to read and communicate at different times in their life? Recent research shows that men learn math best, later than women. Language and communication engages the young brain more fully and should be focused upon at the ages before seven. The Bardic schools knew these things and had young people work as jesters and minstrels early in the process. Physiologically we can say there are 350,000 neural connections possible that become atrophied to the point most people use only half of them. What about thinking? It isn't dumping of data - it requires integrating and making judgments.

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    A fair and less biased expose of how what happened in Nazi Germany might be hard to find. They (BBC) do not say Hitler started with a genocide in mind. I say like most every nation in the prior two millennia including the Second Reich he started out knowing money could be had by doing the Jews did it - blame game. He also knew it was politically expedient and the whole world was just as Anti-Semitic. If you blame Hitler for what happened you need to blame many top people in other nations as well. But you can do more research if you wish.

    It does not cover any of Hitler before he was elected, and thus it misses also how people like the British King or American eugenics influenced what was then called science - including a history done by Gunther and a Brit named Houston Stewart Chamberlain. He is not directly related to the man who could have supported the German High Command and gotten rid of Hitler many times as he continued taking over other nations before the final declaration of war when Hitler invaded Poland with his usual flair and propaganda that had worked so well before.
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    Then we find a woman Hindu Nazi who Hitler shared a lot of ideology with.

    Maximiani Portas is one of her birth names. She was Hitler's Priestess according to the book with that title, and it does correctly demonstrate the similarity between Brahmanism and Nazi racial power and insecurity.

    What follows is the usual Publisher's Weekly review of a book called non-fiction. I wonder what fiction is if what passed for Nazi scholarship is not fiction.

    "Goodrick-Clarke carefully outlines the life of Savitri Devi, a true believer who took Nazism beyond politics: she believed that Hitler was an avatar or god come to earth. Born Maximiani Portas to a Greek/Italian father and an English mother, Devi spent her early years in her native France and in Greece, but she was inexorably drawn to India and traveled there at 27. It was not the culture of India that drew Devi, but her belief that India represented the best of racial segregation. Once in India, she became interested in Hinduism and wed the Brahman A.K. Mukherji in a marriage of shared ideals that also happened to bolster her shaky legal status as a resident Nazi sympathizer. The couple worked on behalf of the Axis powers during the late 1930s and early '40s, with Devi claiming that Mukherji put militant nationalist Subhas Chandra Bose in contact with the Japanese authorities. But the most interesting material is on Devi's intellectual life. Sections on Devi's writings about Egyptian pharaoh Akhnaton, about animal rights, or on her belief that Hitler was an avatar, which includes a lengthy examination of the Hindu theory of cyclical history, provide understanding in ways that subsequent lists of her later travels cannot. Settling back in Calcutta in the 1960s, ""the aged Aryan Hindu prophetess"" became a guiding spirit of the international neo-Nazi movement. Although the writing is stiff and matter-of-fact, Goodrick-Clarke provides plenty of information and insight about this little-known but influential figure. (May)"

    The book is available for free in pdf format and I will post it here momentarily as reference for what follows.

    It is a logical progression from a naïve point of view which emotion has created and hatred of humanity and anything other than animal rights or ecology is the hated enemy, as I see it. I could call her an extreme pet project devotee. There are elements of her perspective which have merit to be certain.

    "If Christianity and secular humanism failed to serve the interests of life, she declared that it would be better to brush aside two thousand years of errors and return to the pagan gods. However, she did recognize that the secular religions of racism and nationalism represented a narrower moral ideal than the universal ideals of Christianity and humanism and that it was perhaps retrograde to return to the worship of local and national gods. Nevertheless, she banished these doubts from her mind by asserting that the religion of race was the true expression of the religion of life in the minds of its best exponents.19 These intimations of her latent admiration for Hitler and Nazism remained a mere undertone in A Son of God. At this time it seems that her principal targets were Christianity and secular humanism; nationalism and racism were chiefly invoked to prove hypocrisy or bad faith in the dominant Western religious tradition. Savitri Devi claimed that the Western world was yearning for a religion based on rationality, for a love extended to all living things, and a conception of international relations that renounced war and aggression. The twentieth century was witnessing a growing desire for some ‘‘all-embracing truth, intellectual and spiritual, in the light of which the revelations of experience and faith, the dictates of reason and of intuition—of science and religion—would find their place as partial aspects of a harmoniously organic whole.’’20

    In her opinion, this romantic ideal was realized by Akhnaton’s religion of the Disk. Its revival could provide the basis of a new spiritual order grounded in the philosophical traditions of India and Greece and thus unite East and West. In the second half of 1944 Savitri Devi corresponded with Aldous Huxley in California about the religion of the Disk. Huxley thought this a rather naïve affair and declared his own admiration for Eastern religions, particularly Zen, which gave man experience of the divine through a sense of timelessness. Savitri Devi agreed that men could grow to timelessness along various religious paths. However, having experienced it herself for the past six years, she was sure that some could reach the ‘‘peace which is beyond all understanding’’ and which is connected with the consciousness of timelessness through direct, vital communication with the young Prophet of the Sun. So she wrote in the preface to her book, describing herself as ‘‘one who, despite obvious unworthiness, dares to call herself, after three thousand three hundred years, his loving disciple.’’21

    By any standards, A Son of God is an extraordinary work of idealism informed by a selective command of secondary sources, incisive reasoning, and an original mind. But it is also flawed by a prejudiced hatred of Christianity and a contempt for the mass of humanity. Besides these antihuman sentiments, a major weakness of the religion of the Disk lies in its nebulous and romantic idealism: a general affirmation of life and energy, devoid of priorities, is no guide for human conduct whatsoever in a complex world. Savitri Devi once described her philosophy as ‘‘true to the earth’’ with a nod toward Friedrich Nietzsche. However, if she applauded the latter’s superhuman morality beyond good and evil and shared his contempt of Christianity for seeking the protection and advantage of the weak and humble, she did not want a superman above nature. Nature and life were the center of her scheme. The injunction to live in accordance with nature was the single commandment of the religion of the Disk. Man should understand nature as a rational, beautiful, and loving order and not seek to superimpose upon it his own needs or ideas of right. Any philosophical or moral notions reflecting this ‘‘supernatural’’ worldview led to error."

    Hopefully this link will take you to her free e-books unlike the one above which some Russian stuff comes up on at times. Her emotional depth and artful expressions and intellect are well worth reading even though her conclusions are hateful, like Hitler the Prophet she taps a well spring of motivation that has inspired many people.

    Clyde Winters has a wealth of information available through his site. His insight and academic knowledge is most enlightening but unfortunately it may take centuries to be accepted. I especially hope you can read his thoughts on the discourse and cultural interplay with Urumchi (Tocharian is also like Luwian of Crete and maybe off Cuba) and the Tamil regions.

    If your mind is not opened after seeing what he has to say - then your mind is not ever going to become open.
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    IB Times has a discussion about Himmler and his fascination for all things Indo-Aryan. If he had know Arjuna was a Hyperborean or Thulean and the name of India (Bharat) is a Druidic high rank would he have been less antagonistic to the mud races? He certainly knew the relationship of Druids and Runes.

    Later, Himmler delivered some of these same philosophies in his speeches to his SS officers.

    In the 1920s and the early 1930s, Himmler read some popular books about Hinduism and Buddhism. Yet, his actual interest in classic Hindu texts came later, when he founded the SS-Ahnenerbe, the brain trust of the Black Order, a group of highly qualified academics and occultists that attempted to forge the ideology of a racist warrior religion.

    In 1937, Himmler chose Professor Walter Wüst to serve as the president of the SS-Ahnenerbe. Two years later, Wüst became the curator of this notorious organization. Incidentally, in addition to being one of the leading Sanskrit scholars of his time, Wüst served as the president of the Maximilian University in Munich. In the academic world, Orientalists from this particular university were considered the top experts in their field.

    Wüst was keenly interested in extracting ideas from the Vedas and Buddhism of the so-called Aryan tradition in order to give National Socialism a religious dimension. One slogan of his was: Also above India hovers the sun-sign of the Swastika.

    To Wüst, Hitler appeared as the manifestation of a Chakravartin - Indo-Aryan world emperor.

    Wüst tried to support this particular speculation by verses from classical Indian scriptures. Moreover, in one of his emotion-driven speeches, he compared Hitler with the historical Buddha.

    IB TIMES: Germany's fascination with ancient India and its culture began in the 19th century, no? That is, long before the advent of the Nazis. Is it correct?

    MR. & MRS. TRIMONDI: Indeed, Germany had been a true center for Sanskrit studies in the nineteenth century. To be exact, there were scholars and writers in this field who either put the emphasis on the peaceful aspects of Indian culture (e.g. Johann Gottfried Herder and Friedrich Wilhelm Joseph Schelling) or pointed out the nihilistic side of Buddhism or Shankara philosophy (like Arthur Schopenhauer).

    However, with the radicalization of German nationalism, writers began to put more emphasis on the martial aspects of Hindu culture. One of the first who tried to blend the warrior ideology of ancient India with Aryan racism was Houston Stewart Chamberlain, an English-born author who lived in Germany and who was later held in a high esteem by the Nazis.

    IB TIMES: Is it true that Himmler could read and speak Sanskrit fluently? Where and how did he learn such a difficult foreign language?

    MR. & MRS. TRIMONDI: We do not have any evidence that he mastered Sanskrit. However, Himmler did not need to read this ancient tongue since he always had Wüst by his side.

    By constantly interacting with Himmler, Wüst was directly involved in his philosophical and ideological projects, and he could provide an answer to any linguistic questions coming from the Reichsführer SS.

    IB TIMES: As Reichsführer of the SS, Chief of the German Police, Minister of the Interior and head of the Gestapo and the Einsatzgruppen killing squads, Himmler was responsible for the murder of millions of innocent people. How did he reconcile such brutality with the tenets of Hinduism, which is generally peaceful?

    MR. & MRS. TRIMONDI: The image of Hinduism as a totally peaceful religion is a widespread fallacy. In fact, one can find plenty of martial aspects in Hindu culture, which had been emphasized by various individuals even before the Nazi period, during Hitler's reign, and even today by the extreme right wing in Europe and elsewhere.

    For example, in his introduction to a popular edition of the Bhagavad Gita, Leopold Schroeder, a student of ancient India, wrote that this poem describes the powerful ethics of Kshatriya (Warrior) religion at a time when the warriors and kings of India provided a spiritual leadership instead of the priestly caste.

    It is very likely that Himmler used this particular edition of the Bhagavad Gita. It was the Kshatriya, the ancient Hindu warrior caste, and its ethical ideals that fascinated the Nazis so much among other elements of Indian history and culture.

    IB TIMES: Aside from millions of Jews, Himmler was also responsible for the mass murder of up to half-million Roma (gypsies). Was he not aware that the Roma are also of Indian descent?

    MR. & MRS. TRIMONDI: He must have known it. At the same time, we should remember that Western racist intellectuals usually divided Indian society into two castes: light-skinned Aryan conquerors (priests, warriors and merchants) and dark-skinned indigenous Dravidians or Chandalens -- the latter expression goes back to a Sanskrit word Chandala - or, 'The Untouchables.' Himmler surely viewed the Roma as a part of this outcast group."

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    The link between Nazism and Christian (Roman) hatreds is strong. It was not just the fact that they had a concordant you can read, or that the Church never ex-communicated Hitler. It continues to this very day! When the Catholics allowed that Jews are part of the Christian cult about a dozen years ago it was laughable - implicit and utter nonsense! The fact is - anyone accepting the Gospels is no Christian - they are Empire genocidal maniacs and they seek sheep to shear and lay down their lives as cannon fodder or accept (in the case of women) a status less than the Halakah gives lesser Jews. It is canon law and not just 'harbinger' dogma! It is even worse in Islam - the other member of this cult which has over 20,000 denominations and almost as many gods (I am counting saints and angels.).

    A fundamental program of propaganda initiated before the war, during the war and after the war was not invented by Lao Tzu in his Art of War. It was not perfected when Rome infiltrated the Sanhedrin with it's minister of Mines (Joseph of Arimathaea) or employment of other so-called Jews like Josephus, Philo and Paul/Saul the assassin who lied when he said he was a Pharisee and admits he was a Benjaminite Roman citizen. I suspect the elite in Rome like Joseph of Arimathaea are either Benjaminites or Merovingians and I can document many such connections including the Brutti who founded it and Britain. In what follows you are given the impression Jesus (Yeshua and his older brother James) was the enemy of the Pharisees and vice versa. Real researchers know he was against the "inbred idiots" of the Temple Sadduccees and Herodian quisling regimes. The Pharisees maintained their integrity throughout the Roman and Parthia Empire and helped the poor and downtrodden like women. In fact anything in the Gospels can be taken as a reversal of actual fact. The scrolls found in Dag or Nag Hammadi as well as the Dead Sea Scrolls overseen by James the Just or Teacher of Righteousness (Read Magi) provide insight to real scholars and C. H. Douglas was active before they were found or translated.

    So we find a great deal of finger-pointing by partially interested parties with varying agendas quoting people with little or no expertise about a true history. Unfortunately good people like C. H. Douglas get drawn in to such quotes and propaganda. There is a lot of truth in every myth and story - Caesar's Journals are written by Hirtius his propagandist - for example. Churchill was an unusual politico in that he wrote his own scripts. But make no mistake he was just as clever as other people's scriptwriters. This particular scriptwriter starts out trying to explain how scripting history and it's myths is not his stock and trade.


    by Eric D. Butler

    What man believes governs what he does. Irrespective of whether a myth or legend is literally true of not, if people believe it to be true, this will play a part in shaping their activities. Belief in some myths is relatively harmless. A new book on Australia's most famous bushranger, Ned Kelly, seeks to present a more favourable image of the cold blooded murderer. Whether literally true or not, the myth concerning Kelly - "as game as Ned Kelly" - is relatively harmless. So is the legend concerning Robin Hood who, according legend, robbed the rich to give to the poor, although it might be argued that type of myth encourages the concept of the Welfare State. Realists will object to this view, pointing out that every individual suffers in some way at the hands of the Modern State.

    The harmless, or often beneficial myths of history, generally speaking, do not need to be sustained by constant propaganda. But the money myth, one which promotes the concept of money as a commodity, makes it possible to attempt to enslave the individual. Salvation requires that sufficient people reject this myth, and demand the implementation of policies which reflect reality. Writing in his Programme For The Third World War, C.H. Douglas, in referring to the importance of myths, said, "I have no doubt whatever that the Chosen Race Myth, with its corollary of Messianism, is the key myth of history, and that in it, we can find an almost a complete explanation of the world's insanity, (e.g. divorce from reality) and an almost complete indication of the path to recovery."

    Douglas's comment was made while the Second World War was still raging. Events since that conflict ended fifty years ago, have confirmed Douglas's view. In another view of his Second World War works, The Big Idea, Douglas wrote that "institutionalized Judeo-Christianity" had prevented the application of practical Christianity. In recent years there has been a relentless campaign to further dilute traditional Christianity. Representatives of the Christian Church now collaborate openly with representatives of Judaism who want the four synoptic Christian gospels to be rewritten, eliminating what are described as "offensive" comments concerning Christ's most bitter opponents, the Pharisees.

    Anyone who attempts to examine, however objectively, the far-reaching implications of the Jewish Chosen Race myth on history, is subjected to the "anti-semitic"smear. But it is some courageous Jews who have provided the deepest insights into this subject. It was the distinguished Sephardic Jewish writer and philosopher, Dr. Oscar Levy, who wrote of thousands of years of "madness associated with the Chosen Race Myth." Dr. Levy said that "The question of the Jews and their influence in the world, past and present, cuts to the core of all things and should be discussed by every honest thinker."

    A more recent contribution to the subject is by Israel Shahak, a retired Professor of Chemistry, and lifelong human rights activist. migrated to Israel in 1945. His work, Jewish History, Jewish Religion, with a Foreword by Gore Vidal, is packed with explosive statements such as, "Judaism is imbued with a very deep hatred towards Christianity, combined with ignorance about it." Reference is made to "malicious slanders against Jesus," concerning the subject of the Crucifixion.

    Shahak writes, "According to the Talmud, Jesus was executed by a proper rabbinical court for idolatry, inciting other Jews to idolatry, and contempt for rabbinical authority. All classical Jewish sources which mention his execution are quite happy to take responsibility for it; in the Talmudic account the Romans are not even mentioned". {Which is not proof of what he says - it is proof of them selling out or being threatened until their writings are what Rome wanted - see Josephus the Liar.}

    "The more popular accounts . . . such as the notorious Taldot Yesbu are even worse, for in addition to the above crimes they accuse him of witchcraft. {Which any adept can be convicted for - including every Catholic exorcist.} The very name Jesus was for Jews a symbol of all that is abominable, and this popular tradition still persists. The Gospels are equally detested, and they are not allowed to be quoted (let alone taught) in modern Jewish schools." {Why should they teach Roman propaganda blaming them for the death of a person who they knew well and who was not what Rome says?}

    We are told that compared with the harsh attitude towards Christianity, that concerning Islam is "relatively mild", and that Judaism "is totalitarian in nature." Shahak concludes his study stating that both Israel and Jews worldwide must face the test of facing an honest criticism of their past. "The most important part of such a critique must be detailed and honest confrontation of the Jewish attitude to non-Jews ... In last forty years the number of non-Jews killed by Jews is by greater than the number of Jews killed by non-Jews."

    The future of Christianity depends upon a sufficient number of Christians facing the reality of the Judaic campaign to dilute Christianity to the point where, in the words of one Jewish activist, "it is completely Judaised." The subject is being confused by what has become one of the major Myths of the twentieth century, that concerning "the Holocaust". What might be termed as "The Holocaust Dogma" has been elevated to the point where any criticism, however objective, of the dogmas is classed as "blasphemous". In two major Western European nations, France and Germany, critics of the dogma can result in imprisonment. Although an American citizen, Fred Leuchter, the man who demonstrated that no homicidal gas chambers could ever have operated in Poland, was arrested on a visit to Germany and later hounded so viciously that he apparently went into hiding when he managed to return to the USA.

    Now comes the chilling news that another American citizen, Hans Schmidt, of German background, has now been arrested during a visit to Germany. Schmidt's "crime" is that in a publication he issues in the U.S.A. he had questioned "The Holocaust". Presumably it is not safe for any critics of "the Holocaust" to make a visit to Germany, or France, without risking arrest. British historian David Irving is prohibited from continuing to visit Germany since he started expressing his doubts about "The Holocaust", the German ruling being used to prevent Irving from visiting Canada and Australia. Both the Canadian and Australian governments leave no doubt that they are not prepared to defy the Zionist Jewish propaganda machine.

    In his Jewish History, Jewish Religion, Israel Shahak lists Canada as one of the English speaking countries in which Jewish influence is particularly strong, a view confirmed by journalist Doug Collins during his recent visit to Australia.

    The future of Western Civilization is dependent on "The Chosen Race" Myth, now strongly buttressed by "The Holocaust" Dogma, being exposed and opposed. (Eric D. Butler)"

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    Asoka was a beneficent dictator who first won wars of conquest and then created a utopian society - there were people who saw Hitler in this way. This book connects Leni Riefenstahl and Asoka as a spiritual leader with secular power. Long after the war ended she got to come to Asoka's south Indian region as a guest of the German Cultural Ministry. She was a primary propagandist and originator of the use or abuse of film.

    If the above link should not be clickable you can browse for the book and her name along with Asoka to see what I saw.

    Phenomenology/Ontopoiesis Retrieving Geo-cosmic Horizons of Antiquity: Logos ...

    Shortly before Asoka took power there was a member of his family who supported a very Nietzschean form of deterministic cosmos and atheistical uber-mensch. Here is an ancient Indian belief system that has a corollary in the uber-mensch of Nietzsche and gives a backdrop for why Asoka was a middle of the road individual developing a new way of seeing and doing what you say you believe. It is also instructive about the way religions and books get destroyed by those who are selling a different myth.

    "From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    On the left: Mahākāśyapa meets an Ājīvika and learns of the parinirvana[1]
    Ajivika (IAST: Ājīvika) is one of the nāstika or "heterodox" schools of Indian philosophy.[2] Founded in the 5th century BCE by Makkhali Gosala, it was a śramaṇa movement and a major rival of early Buddhism and Jainism.[3] Ājīvikas were organised renunciates who formed discrete communities.[4]

    Original scriptures of the Ājīvika school of philosophy once existed, but these are unavailable and probably lost. Their theories are extracted from mentions of Ajivikas in the secondary sources of ancient Indian literature.[5] Scholars question whether Ājīvika philosophy has been fairly and completely summarized in these secondary sources, written by competing and adversarial philosophies to Ajivikas.[6]

    The Ājīvika school is known for its Niyati doctrine of absolute determinism, the premise that there is no free will, that everything that has happened, is happening and will happen is entirely preordained and a function of cosmic principles.[5][7] Ājīvika considered the karma doctrine as a fallacy.[8] Ajivika metaphysics included a theory of atoms similar to the Vaisheshika school, where everything was composed of atoms, qualities emerged from aggregates of atoms, but the aggregation and nature of these atoms was predetermined by cosmic forces.[9] Ājīvikas were atheists[10] and rejected the authority of the Vedas, but they believed that in every living being is an ātman – a central premise of Hinduism and Jainism.[11][12]

    Founded in what is now the northern Indian state of Uttar Pradesh, Ājīvika reached the height of its popularity during the rule of the Mauryan emperor Bindusara around the 4th century BCE. This school of philosophy thereafter declined, but survived for nearly 2,000 years through the 14th century CE in the southern Indian states of Karnataka and Tamil Nadu.[2][8][13] The Ājīvika philosophy, along with the Cārvāka philosophy, appealed most to the warrior, industrial and mercantile classes of ancient Indian society.[14]
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