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    Jonathan Gray

    There are numerous issues and many truths to cover in this site - on just the suppressed archaeology portion. Many facts are questionable or attributed to unproven things or aliens but there are important facts I can support as well as give answers other than the alien or unknown sources for electricity in megaliths he mentions. Scientists did in fact do the research on such observations in book like The Dragon Project with my oft quoted and explained researcher Dr. Don Robins. In fact Science is always searching for answers and good scientists do exist. However, that being said he is right there are political (and religious - same people) forces working to make sheep or build Empires.

    His Egyptian ship in Britain is later than ones found in Norse lands and the Gaedhils and others went to Egypt before the advancing glaciers and the creation of the North Sea around 5500 BCE. These 'keltoi' or Phoenicians who had mines in Cornwall where Conan Doyle grew up and learned to speak Phoenician probably built the Great Pyramid. Just as they traveled the whole world including his referenced Martin Doutre's work in New Zealand where Martin described the matter of the Moriori Kelts more fairly than Mr. Gray does. I have found DNA hidden evidence supporting Heyerdahl and the proof surrounding the genocide of these people on Easter Island and near his New Zealand home - the Chatham Islands. Michael Cremo spent ten years trying to get a great book published then sold out to Hindus (Bhaktivedanta Press) and his work has elements of the fantastic as well as facts worth considering.

    There have indeed been many attempts to explain many things asserted in this quote - and we have many threads here to prove that. But let us assume he is a little out of date and no one persona can know all that is going on. His assertions about John Anthony West indicate a bias towards alien involvement and the points made in this quote show he does not do much historical research or consider Cell Diffusion history at all - he is therefore part of the very Brain Police or Filter of Knowledge he refers to. He and Geoff Haselhurst share sources or thoughts about science which I find unconvincing and ego driven trash. Yes, there always are things not funded in research and science has made many mistakes but in listening or reading what Mr. Gray has cobbled together I am saddened because we are long past the Dark Ages repression in physics even though you can make an argument for all manner of errors, it is true that archaeology and history are still largely manipulated by physics - I do not see it, even though there are biases.


    Any time you allege a conspiracy is afoot, especially in the field of science, you are treading on thin ice. We tend to be very sceptical about conspiracies--unless the Mafia or some Muslim radicals are behind the alleged plot. But the evidence is overwhelming and the irony is that much of it is in plain view.

    The good news is that the players are obvious. Their game plan and even their play-by-play tactics are transparent, once you learn to spot them. However, it is not so easy to penetrate through the smokescreen of propaganda and disinformation to get to their underlying motives and goals. It would be convenient if we could point to a plumber's unit and a boldface liar like Richard Nixon, but this is a more subtle operation.

    The bad news: the conspiracy is global and there are many vested interest groups. A cursory investigation yields the usual suspects: scientists with a theoretical axe to grind, careers to further and the status quo to maintain. Their modus operandi is "The Big Lie"--and the bigger and more widely publicised, the better. They rely on invoking their academic credentials to support their arguments, and the presumption is that no one has the right to question their authoritarian pronouncements that:
    1. there is no mystery about who built the Great Pyramid or what the methods of construction were, and the Sphinx shows no signs of water damage;
    2. there were no humans in the Americas before 20,000 BC;
    3. the first civilisation dates back no further than 6000 BC;
    4. there are no documented anomalous, unexplained or enigmatic data to take into account;
    5. there are no lost or unaccounted-for civilisations.
    Let the evidence to the contrary be damned!"
    Last edited by R_Baird; 02-06-2016 at 08:21 AM.

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    Yes, there are many issues in his work. Robert Ingersoll near the end of the 19th Century knew there were many mistakes in the Moses and Akhenaten story and so do the authors of The Bible Unearthed which we have quoted alongside the Father of Biblical Archaeology who proved the Bible is a Phoenician literary legacy in the mid 20th Century.

    He is in fact selling the Bible Narrative with all the alien myth to build fear and give power to the races descended from these aliens. Of course within that race (white) there are special families - see Genesis of the Grail Kings.

    "Why do people waste their time trying to make sense of the UFO phenomenon within the context of the Belief system that these Academics have set up for us? The whole of history is wrong. And these Academics are contented to maintain that illusion.

    If you accept that Ancient Egyptians were in Britain, then our history needs a great deal of amending.

    When Christianity was imposed on Europe, we underwent a history rewrite, and ever since that time people have tried to maintain that false history imposed upon us, ignoring the evidence to the contrary.

    The Renaissance was started by the rediscovery {I think some places had many of the ancient texts and I think he would agree the Vatican catcombs as well as Arab Caliphates had many from the Great Library, but even still he is only talking about the Europeans - the Dark Ages was not as prevalent elsewhere.} of Ancient texts from the Greeks etc. One of the most influential was the Writings of Thoth - Hermes, which was religion, philosophy and science. It influenced scientists such as Newton, Leonardo da Vinci etc.

    Then in the 17th century the writings were all declared a hoax, and one of the most important reasons it was thought a hoax, was because the religious message in the writings were too much a mixture of Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Judaism etc., that if true it meant all the existing religious beliefs were wrong.

    Over the past 2000 years it has all been about religion. Some people want to believe such and such, and will alter the facts or ignore the facts so that they can continue to believe their delusions.

    Long before Daniken, there were some people saying that the Ancients were far more advanced than they should have been. For instance:

    Dr. Soddy, a scientist famous for his researches into Radioactivity, saw the links between his Radioactivity researches and Ancient Wisdom. He delivered a series of lectures in 1908 explaining the latest discoveries of radioactivity to the general public and in his 1909 book Interpretation of Radium, he wondered if the Ancients had already known about radioactivity. He says as follows:

    "The world probably being of much greater antiquity than physical science has thought to be possible, it is interesting and harmless to speculate whether man has shared with the world its more remote history.

    i.e. wonders if mankind has as long a history as our planet’s. And continues:

    In this connection it is curious how strangely some of the old myths and legends about matter and man appear in the light of the recent knowledge. Consider, for example, the ancient mystic symbol of matter, known as Ouroboros-" the tail devourer "- which was a serpent, coiled into a circle with the head devouring the tail, and bearing the central motto, " The whole is one." This symbolizes evolution; moreover, it is evolution of matter - the very latest aspect of evolution - the existence of which was strenuously denied by Clerk Maxwell and others of only last century. The idea which arises in one's mind as the most attractive and consistent explanation of the universe in the light of present knowledge is, perhaps, that matter is breaking down and its energy being evolved and degraded in one part of a cycle of evolution, and in another part, still unknown to us, the matter is being again built up with the utilisation of the waste energy. If one wished to symbolise such an idea, in what better way could it be done than by the ancient tail-devouring serpent ?

    i.e. recognises that the Ancients talked in symbolism, and was a universal symbolism across the Ancient world. Tie that back to Evan’s discovery of Ancient Egyptians in Britain, and Academia wanting to deny the evidence.

    Some of the beliefs and legends which have come down to us from antiquity are so universal and deep rooted that we are accustomed to consider them almost as old as the race itself, One is tempted to inquire how far the unsuspected aptness of some of these beliefs and sayings to the point of view so recently disclosed is the result of mere chance or coincidence, and how far it may he evidence of a wholly unknown and unsuspected ancient civilisation of which all other relic has disappeared. It is curious to reflect, for example, upon the remarkable legend of the philosopher's stone, one of the oldest and most universal beliefs, the origin on which however far back we penetrate into the records of the past, we do not probably trace to its real source. The philosopher's stone was accredited the power not only of transmuting the metals, but of acting as the elixir of life. Now whatever the origin of this apparently meaningless jumble of ideas may have been, it is really a perfect and but very slightly allegorical expression of the actual present views we hold today. It does not require much effort of the imagination to see in energy the life of the physical universe, and the key to the primary fountains of the physical life of the universe today is known to be transmutation.

    Is, then, this old association of the power of transmutation with the elixir of life merely a coincidence? I prefer to believe it may be an echo from one of many previous epochs in the unrecorded history of the world, of an age of men which have trod before the road we are treading today, in a past possibly so remote that even the very atoms of its civilisation literally have had time to disintegrate.

    Let us give the imagination a moment's further free scope in this direction, however, before closing. What if this point of view that has now suggested itself is true; and we may trust ourselves to the slender foundation afforded by the traditions and superstitions which have been handed down to us from a prehistoric time ? Can we not read into them some justification for the belief that some former forgotten race of men attained not only to the knowledge we have so recently won, but also to the power that is not yet ours ? Science has reconstructed the story of the past as one of a continuous Ascent of Man to the present-day level of his powers. In face of the circumstantial evidence existing of this steady upward progress of the race, the traditional view of the Fall of Man from a higher former state has come to be more and more difficult to understand, From our new standpoint the two points of view are by no means so irreconcilable as they appeared. A race which could transmute matter would have little need to earn its bread by the sweat of its brow.

    If we can judge from what our engineers accomplish with their comparatively restricted supplies of energy, such a race could transform a desert continent, thaw the frozen poles, and make the whole world one smiling Garden of Eden, Possibly they could explore the outer realms of space emigrating to more favourable worlds as the superfluous today emigrate to more favourable continents, The legend of the Fall of Man, possibly, may be all that has survived of such a time before, for some unknown reason, the whole world was plunged back again under the undisputed sway of Nature, to begin once more its upward toilsome journey through the ages."

    Dr. Soddy makes the connections that the Ancients were talking in a symbolic manner as regards their science. That there could have been a forgotten civilisation. That our science could be rediscovering their Ancient knowledge.

    Surely an interesting area for Academia to investigate? And does Academia decide to investigate? Answer - no they do not. Instead they choose to wait for amateurs such as Daniken to investigate this subject, and then set up a campaign to mock him and his followers.

    Academia is not interested in anything other than maintaining their existing dogma.

    All attempts to explain UFOs within existing Academic Beliefs are doomed to failure. The framework of beliefs that UFO investigators are expected to agree with and earn the title of being Scientific in their studies is an illusion.

    And the science that really works, get dismissed as superstitious nonsense - Magick, paranormal, supernatural. The nature of that science, Tom Lethbridge managed to tie in with the possibility that we had been visited by Aliens in our remote past, or that we ourselves might be aliens to this planet. He works out a possible way as to how Stone Circles could be used as markers for aerial crafts as follows:"
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    The Dzopa site and many articles in it are too far out, and make the whole effort of truth telling hard to get into the minds of average people. I could say such sites actually help keep secrets and I know (It is admitted and confessed to) that the alphabet soup agencies give disinfo such as they fed the media about Aliens and see forth (See thread Walter Bosley). Though Jonathan Gray is a far better researcher and writer - with much we can learn from, he also stands in the same cadre with these people.

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