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    The Green Initiative

    Some people think it is a new thing to be aware of corruption or ecological predation. They think they are blazing new trails as if none have known what is going on. It becomes tiresome to see this. It is especially so when I consider how little has been done about far older and more serious problems including the very corruption these people give lip service to, as they call for change.

    Upton Sinclair was a social activist whose journalism and authorship caused the formation of Health Regulations which cleaned up the meat processing and restaurant industry. He also was an outspoken critic of many other things he was castigated and called names for. Here is another of his causes that today would be considered 'conspiracy theory' by some.

    "THE GOOSE-STEP: A Study of American Education
    By Upton Sinclair [books] - from search results, select copy marked for PREVIEW

    "Men die, but the plutocracy is immortal; and it is necessary that fresh generations should be trained to its service. Therefore the interlocking directorate has need of an educational system, and has provided it complete. There is a great university, of which Mr. Morgan was all his active life a trustee, also his son-in-law and one or two of his attorneys and several of his bankers. The president of this university is a director in one of Mr. Morgan's life insurance companies, and is interlocked with Mr. Morgan's bishop, and Mr. Morgan's physician, and Mr. Morgan's newspaper. If the president of the university writes a book, telling the American people to be good and humble servants of the plutocracy, this book may be published by a concern in which Mr. Morgan (or a partner) is a director, and the paper may be bought from the International Paper Company, in which Mr. Morgan has a director through the Guaranty Trust Company. If you visit the town where the paper is made, you will find that the president of the school board is a director in the local bank, which deposits its funds with the Guaranty Trust Company at a low rate of interest, to be reloaned by Mr. Morgan at a high rate of interest. The superintendent of the schools will be a graduate of Mr. Morgan's university, and will have been recommended to the school board president by Mr. Morgan's dean of education. Both the board and president and the school superintendent will insure their lives in the company of which Mr. Morgan's university president is a director; and the school books selected in that town will be published by a concern in which Mr. Morgan (or a partner) is a director, and they will be written by Mr. Morgan's university's dean of education, and they will be praised in the journal of education founded by Mr. Morgan's university president; also they will be praised by Mr. Morgan's newspaper and magazine editors. The superintendent of schools will give promotion to teachers who take the university's summer courses, and will cause the high school pupils to aspire to that university. Once a year he will attend the convention of the National Educational Association, and will elect as president a man who is a graduate of Mr. Morgan's university, and also a member of Mr. Morgan's church, and a reader of Mr. Morgan's newspaper, and of Mr. Morgan's university president's journal, and a patron of Mr. Morgan's university presidents' life insurance company, and a depositor in a bank which pays him no interest, but sends his money to the Guaranty Trust Company for Mr. Morgan to loan at a high rate of interest. And when the Republican party, of which Mr. Morgan (or a partner) is a director, nominates the president of Mr. Morgan's university for vice-president of the United states, Mr. Morgan's bishop will bless the proceedings, and Mr. Morgan's newspapers will report them, and Mr. Morgan's school superintendent will invite the children to a picnic to hear Mr. Morgan's candidates' campaign speeches on a phonograph, and to drink lemonade paid for by Mr. Morgan's campaign committee, out of the funds of the life insurance company of which Mr. Morgan's university president is director.

    Such is the system of the interlocking directorates; such is, in skeleton form, that department of the plutocratic empire which calls itself American education. And if you don't believe me, just come along and let me show you – not merely the skeleton of this beast, but the nerves and the brains, the blood and the meat, the hair and the hide, the teeth and the claws of it."

    Mr. J. Pierpont Morgan was a front for the Rothschilds but eventually became more important than they were in the USA. He in fact bought out the US debt or paid it off and we may never know the full extent of the deal which was made that day. You really should read more Upton Sinclair if you think there are new authors today who make sense as if there was no-one ever telling the same story long ago. Socrates also, was not the first - it was standard fare for the bards of long before him to question all authority - to their face!

    Here is a little to start down another rabbit hole towards wisdom for any who truly care.

    "In 1905, Upton Sinclair (1878–1968), a young socialist journalist and novelist, received a $500 advance to write a novel about abuses in the meat processing industry and spent seven weeks investigating the subject in Chicago. His novel, The Jungle (1906), a shocking exposé of the unsanitary and dangerous conditions in the plants, was an immediate best-seller and incited President Roosevelt to enact a series of food safety laws."

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    Those who demean other life forms and espouse hatred due to their ignorance are probably the majority even as they talk Political Correctness and endeavour to silence critics of their religion. Most religions are social engineering tools according to Fukayama; they are a way of corrupt living upon past immoral acts like Manifest Destiny and Sovereign Nations which continue the ethics or lack thereof, once held sacrosanct in the Dark Ages dogma of Divine Rights.

    You might want to look into a woman animal rights activist called Hitler's Priestess to see how warped extreme attitudes can become. Her book A Son of God makes those who put nails in trees or tie themselves to them - look mild-mannered.

    Sad to say it is actually worse than the Rothschild haters know. The Rothschilds are related to the Equestrian Class or farmers of Rome. Before they were Rothschilds they were Bauers which is German for 'farmer'. Any way, the haters do not want to know facts - they just want to HATE what they still support or benefit from.

    " The Late Republic:
    From the Gracchi to Sulla (133-79 BC)
    by John Porter, University of Saskatchewan

    Notice: This material is the copyrighted property of the author and should not be reproduced without the author's permission.


    As we have seen, the vast expansion of Roman power that resulted from the wars of the third and second centuries BC led to immense changes in Rome's economy and culture. Over time, it became evident that the political and social institutions on which the Romans had traditionally relied were simply not adequate to deal with the new realities of empire.

    These institutions emerged from, and were designed to deal with, a smaller, simpler, poorer society. They relied heavily on personal ties between individuals (both among the ruling elite, and — in the form of the clientela — between the rich and poorer classes) and on a general respect for the traditional roles and rights of various groups. Thus, for example, there was no vast civil service in Rome: instead, elected officials relied on family, friends, clients, political allies, and — above all — tradition in discharging their various duties. Nor (as we have seen) was there a formal constitution, in the modern sense: the system relied upon the Senate, consuls, tribunes, and other officers being aware of and respecting the traditional powers and jurisdictions of the various offices and political assemblies, and conducting themselves accordingly. In the end, the old system was all too easily manipulated by individuals seduced by the new opportunities for wealth and power offered by Rome's newly-acquired status as an imperial power.

    Land Reform

    The years 133-31 represent the death throes of the Roman Republic. This period witnesses a series of constitutional crises and attempted reforms that eventually lead to rise of Augustus and the Principate.

    The immediate problem in 133 was land reform. As in the past, many poorer farmers had found themselves unable to maintain their property due to years of service in Rome's various military ventures in this period. Still more people had been forcefully driven off their land by the fighting within Italy. On the other hand, many members of the senatorial class had acquired vast wealth from military triumphs and lucrative terms as governor in the newly acquired provinces, and were looking for somewhere to invest it. The large amount of "public land" made available by the devastation in the Italian countryside offered a convenient business opportunity — all the more so, since the passing of the Lex Claudia in 218, which prohibited senators from engaging in overseas trade (in an attempt to avoid possible conflicts of interest in the Senate's deliberations on foreign affairs). Given that industry on the modern scale was unknown to the ancient world, land for farming and grazing provided one of the few opportunities for large-scale investment; moreover, these were activities that had traditionally been regarded as "respectable" for members of the noble class to engage in.

    The Lex Claudia also helped to foster the rise of a new class of individuals in Rome: the *equites [equestrian class] — in effect, the business class of Rome. Members of this class were wealthy, well-connected individuals who opted not to pursue a traditional political career in favor of a life of commerce.

    [As we have seen, the term eques originally referred to a member of the Roman cavalry — itself an elite group, since membership required the ability to own, maintain, and outfit a horse (an expensive proposition in antiquity), and the time to learn how to ride properly. As Rome's reliance on its cavalry declined, the equites became more of an officer class, filled by members of the privileged elite. Under the reign of Augustus (by which time the equites had long been formally acknowledged as an official class of citizen) a property qualification of 400,000 sesterces was established for membership.] "
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    Sustainability is a buzz word and ideal, in the following link you will find a mix of history since Homer and many green scientists of the present time. A lot of it is Greek (to me - lol) but there is a lot in English if you scroll down.

    There are many valuable excerpts on language and Homer, Plato's ancestors, and myth making as well as science in the above link. I choose just this one to illustrate it is no simple analysis.

    1. Introduction

    Many analysts have entirely rejected Timaeos and Critias as a possible source of any useful historical information. These experts did not really take into account that Plato defined science in his dialogue Phaedros (Phaedros 277.b.5 - 277.c.3) and mythology in his dialogue Timaeos (Criti 110.a.3-110.a.4.). Besides,he has divided the myths in genuine (Tim 26.e.4-26.e.5)and in fabricated ones(Resp 377.b.5377.b.6.). He made great use of the latter in all his dialogues sending messages to his readers for morality, philosophy, politics and sometimes he encrypted, for his own reasons, mathematical theorems or relations within paramythical (fabricated myths) stories. A good example is what Vardulakis and Pugh (2008) found in the Laws in connection with the prime numbers.

    2. Plato and Science Plato initially defined science for first time in the world in Phaedros as follows: Phaedr 277.b.5-277.c.3 {ΣΩ} Πρὶν ἄν τις τό τε ἀληθὲς ἑκάστων εἰδῇ πέρι ὧν λέγει ἢ γράφει, κατ᾽ αὐτό τε πᾶν ὁρίζεσθαι δυνατὸς γένηται, ὁρισάμενὸς τε πάλιν κατ᾽ είδη μέχρι τοῦ ἀτμήτου τέμνειν ἐπιστηθῆ, περί τε ψυχῆς φύσεως διιδὼν κατὰ ταὐτά, τὸ προσαρμόττον ἑκάστῃ φύσει εἶδος ἀνευρίσκων, οὕτω τιθῇ καὶ διακοσμῇ τὸν λόγον, ποκίλῃ μὲν ποικίλους ψυχῇ καὶ παναρμονίους διδοὺς λόγους, ἁπλοῦς δὲ ἁπλῆ,

    Socrates: “First you must know the truth about the subject that you speak or write about, that is to say, you must be able to isolate it in definition, and having so defined it you must next understand how to divide it into kinds, until you reach the limit of division, secondly, you must have a corresponding discernment of the nature of the soul, discover the type of speech appropriate to each nature, and order and arrange your discourse accordingly, express the nature of the complex and simple soul with panarmonic and simple analogies ”

    There be code in them thar words - especially panarmonic.

    I wanted to present a viewpoint on Paine so I looked some more and found this book which addresses Jeffersonian agrarian virtuosity as a dream shared by the likes of Montesquieu. I think Seneca inspired these Roman ideals in Jefferson, and also Seneca's Cynic philosophy shows in the Jefferson Bible. The critics or Sophists say Jesus and Seneca were Cynics but I think Yeshua and both of the Senecas studied more than one intellectual system just as Pythagoras (Essenes derived from him) before him.

    If a rich man like Seneca was enamoured by Cynic philosophy you can be sure he was a great thinker rather than a dogma lapping dog which Cynics used to make fun of reality. It is a system of thinking which reveres nature over the deceit of man, as I see it. It became a large part of Rousseau's 'Naturel Ordre' and abused by Physiocrats because of it's simple clichés - but it is not anything like what the Physiocrats portrayed in my opinion. When you see the phrase New World Order you are seeing what Paine and Jefferson created but it was not new and unfortunately it still has not achieved the needed confluence desired by Jefferson or Paine.

    "Cynicism was conceived as a mode of living that purposefully refused to adhere to social conventions or political correctness; instead, one was to live one's life "according to nature." Founded by Diogenes of Sinope over 300 years before Christ, the philosophy concluded that nature is the opposite of all we consider conventional in society. The posturing and preening at social events so as to climb the social ladder would be viewed by the Cynics as shallow and absurd—something nature would never require of us.

    In contrast, a good life for the Cynic is one based on self-sufficiency and living unfettered by the expectations and presumptions of society.

    Was Jesus following the philosophy of Cynicism when he tells us, Blessed be ye poor for yours is the kingdom of God? And how dare he overturn the tables of the moneychangers?

    Cynics were noted for their bold speech and ‘shameless' behavior. Supposedly, some of Diogenes' successors were even earthier than Diogenes, defecating and urinating in public to demonstrate the hollowness of convention.

    But let us not forget the modern definition of cynicism: "An attitude of scornful or jaded negativity, especially a general distrust of the integrity or professed motives of others." This is what most of us think of when we refer to someone as a cynic. We do not automatically think of the forthright rebels of Diogenes' day. Instead we picture the debating candidate saying one thing for this audience and another for that audience—as he knows that's what the electorate wants: a man for all seasons who does not want to burden us with facts.

    This season of Jesus' birth reminds me of the Jaded Jesus, whose perspicacity exceeded simple distrust of the integrity of man, and resulted in a complete understanding of—with concomitant resignation to—the lack of integrity in those subjects who comprised his kingdom, and his inner circle.

    In "The Fall" Albert Camus captures the wonderful humor of the Savior we should all appreciate this wondrous time of year: "He simply wanted to be loved, nothing more. Of course, there are those who love him, even among Christians. But they are not numerous. He had foreseen that too; he had a sense of humor. Peter, you know, the coward, Peter denied him: ‘I know not the man...I know not what thou sayest...etc." Really, he went too far! And my friend makes a play on words: ‘Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church.' Irony could go no further, don't you think?"

    What is that you say, Tiny Tim? Oh yes, "God bless us, every one!"

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