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    William Blake

    When one approaches a topic so large it seems impenetrable, one must warn themself about the lifetime it took to get the subject where biographers dissect only the man and delve not deep into the mirror he presents to a system of knowledge we can only estimate the longevity of.

    I am more than merely conversant with the system and marginally aware of the man, so do not expect brilliance or great factual discourse about his giant in some fields who amazes the people in those fields whereas he himself would find most of those people and their whole field of endeavour - tedious. One such field is art or the symbology within it. He obviously enjoyed creating art but I think he was more into the message or symbology than any critic is likely to know - unless that critic is an alchemist conversant with all memetic or semiotic epistemology. Rather than using those more current terms I should use Iconography and the Green Languages.

    At the end of the day I will only have contributed to the myth of a person who never travelled but was all over the place and this world of wisdom.

    http://www.william-blake.org/

    Adam of Levity is more conversant with the man and we should find much in his site.

    http://www.levity.com/alchemy/blake_ma.html

    From the above we have Blake's appreciation of Milton's Paradise Lost with a commentary on codes in Scriptures that presages the thought of Teilhard de Chardin and his sayings about "We are having a brief illusory materialistic experience". You could also draw a connection to the great Rolling Stone's magnum opus Sympathy for the Devil. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBecM3CQVD8

    "The voice of the Devil.
    All Bibles or sacred codes have been the causes of the following Errors.
    1. That Man has two real existing principles Viz: a Body & a Soul.
    2. That Energy, call'd Evil, is alone from the Body, & that Reason, call'd Good, is alone from the Soul.
    3. That God will torment Man in Eternity for following his Energies.

    But the following Contraries to these are True

    1. Man has no Body distinct from his Soul for that call'd Body is a portion of Soul discern'd by the five Senses, the chief inlets of Soul in this age
    2. Energy is the only life and is from the Body and Reason is the bound or outward circumference of Energy.
    3 Energy is Eternal Delight



    Those who restrain desire, do so because theirs is weak enough to be restrained; and the restrainer or reason usurps its place & governs the unwilling.
    And being restrain'd it by degrees becomes passive till it is only the shadow of desire.
    The history of this is written in Paradise Lost, & the Governor or Reason is call'd Messiah.
    And the original Archangel or possessor of the command of the heavenly host, is call'd the Devil or Satan and his children are call'd Sin & Death.
    But in the Book of Job Miltons Messiah is call'd Satan.
    For this history has been adopted by both parties.
    It indeed appear'd to Reason as if Desire was cast out, but the Devil's account is, that the Messiah fell, & formed a heaven of what he stole from the Abyss.



    This is shewn in the Gospel, where he prays to the Father to send the comforter or Desire that Reason may have Ideas to build on, the Jehovah of the Bible being no other than he who dwells in flaming fire.
    Know that after Christs death, he became Jehovah.
    But in Milton; the Father is Destiny, the Son, a Ratio of the five senses, & the Holy-ghost, Vacuum!
    Note: The reason Milton wrote in fetters when he wrote of Angels & God, and at liberty when of Devils & Hell, is because he was a true Poet and of the Devils party without knowing it."



    Those who say they believe in ESP are at a loss to explain it. Over time they avoid any real involvement with it due to oppression of the soul. The scientists are similarly ignorant of these things and they (after all) are 'experts' like the doctors who deny the mind-body connection with the soul that is vital to psychic utilization. Our present culture DENIED these truly human and fantastic or exquisite depths of being. You may have a thoroughly idiotic impression of what Satanism or Luciferianism is. Here are some words to cogitate upon.

    "Those who practice the Dark Tradition do so to attempt to make history while rationally using forms, and at times, individuals, for a higher, Cosmic purpose. In this new Satanic Aeon, the stagnation that exists within the ‘norm’ is to be destroyed. The ultimate goal is the Presencing of this new Aeon, the furtherance of a Cosmic force beyond the personal.

    The Dark Ones are indeed shapeshifters {Which does not mean a physical body change.} in character as well as in life, the real world. Their actions are performed with Insight and ruthlessness and the doer is often detached, thus causing Chaos, defying and seeking to ‘go beyond’ restrictive forms, structures, laws and institutions whose purpose are to hold people in thrall.

    The Way of the Satanist, the Way of the Dark Warrior is to oppose the oppressors, who are usually of weak character and herd mentality, to fight all who seek to stifle our potential and evolution."


    https://darknessconverges.wordpress.com/

    And you can begin your search for truth in many places with many people you probably think you know - but you know next to nothing about.

    Dracomantium V. 1 - Page 202 - Google Books Result

    https://books.google.ca/books?isbn=1304655326

    Draconis Blackthorne
    Group: The Hellfire Club {US & UK} Personages: Sir Francis Dashwood, Benjamin Franklin, William Blake, George Washington, The Earl of Sandwich, Thomas ...


    And over the door of the club was a quote from Balzac which became Crowley's mantra ("Do what thou wilt") and thus you get the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn and Scientology as your source for what many idiots or religionists say is the spawn of Satan.
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    There are some real scholars taking advantage of this research I am drawing together. The excerpts I have chosen show the extent to which the church was running politics and also the extent to which the church feared real spirituality represented by William Blake and other revolutionaries like Paine. The central figure in the particular writing may be Theosophy as it relates to Emanuel Swedenborg and Masons - but the root of these insights and the heresy trials are all a factor. It shows why there still were Inquisitorial trials in Spain at this time. It shows why Blasphemy Laws in England still existed when I was born and still exist in some places in 2015. It shows why people are encouraged and prevented from exploring real truth and factual explorations in the present day.

    "In the late 1780s and early 1790s, when Blake sought out Swedenborg and other mystical and occult sources, he was also a radical in politics. Most noticeably, he wrote a eulogy to The French Revolution (1791), which was originally planned in seven books, and celebrated the liberation of the thirteen colonies in America: A Prophecy (1793). Traditionally, scholarship has separated Blake’s interest in occultism from his political radicalism. One branch of Blake studies (originating with another great poet of the occult, W.B. Yeats, and reaching its apex in Kathleen Raine), sees Blake primarily as a researcher of mystical sources; whereas a line fathered by David Erdman glosses over the mystical influences in order to draw a picture of a political Blake, whose writings reflect directly on contemporary events in a straightforward manner. However, studies by E.P. Thompson, Jon Mee and Marsha Keith Schuchard have encouraged us to bring these two lines together. [4] The essay at hand proceeds from the historical precepts brought to light by these scholars and aims to show that the rationalistic ideologies of Voltaire or Thomas Paine were not alone in fuelling radical or revolutionary programmes. What I intend below is a historical investigation of how the reception of how Swedenborg’s esoteric teaching was absorbed into the socio-cultural matrix of the late eighteenth century to become a platform for opposition politics. This, in turn, will give us cause to re-evaluate the motivation behind the “radical” Blake’s affiliation with the Swedenborgians in the New Jerusalem Church.

    .... In Divine Love and Divine Wisdom (1788), which Blake owned and annotated, Swedenborg elucidates at length how the Divine in the natural universe has been obscured by the churches. He complains how “all the Things of Religion, which are called Spiritual, have been removed out of the Sight of Man,” by “Councils and certain Leaders in the Church.” They have mislead Christians to “blindly” believe that being born to a “natural” world, they cannot perceive anything “separate from what is natural.” To preserve their worldly privileges, these religious tyrants have conned their subjects into believing that the “spiritual” world “transcend[s] the Understanding.” They deceive man with the explanation that “the spiritual Principle to be like a Bird which flieth above the Air in the Æther where the Eye-sight doth not reach”; but, Swedenborg counterattacks, the spiritual principle of the world (“By the Sight of the Eye is meant the Sight of the Understanding”) is visible to those who break the mental restrains superimposed by the churches. The spiritual world is “like a Bird of Paradise, which flieth near the Eye, and toucheth it’s Pupil with it’s beautiful Wings, and wisheth to be seen.” [14]
    .....a reviewer in the Monthly Review of May 1787 assessed Swedenborg’s doctrines for their appeal to radical thinking:

    'They are the harmless ravings of a spiritual, but disordered fancy … the Baron’s writing will neither create a schism in the church, nor a rebellion in the state … for Swedenborg knew nothing of that dark and dangerous fanaticism which under the specious pretence of a spiritual commonwealth, endeavoured to sap the foundations of all lawful government … Let men enjoy their influxes: let them converse with their angels … If they suffer us to sleep in peace, let them dream on. (435)'

    We see here how the memory of the constitutional havoc wrought by sectarianism in the previous century haunted the public imagination of a politically unstable age. The conclusion reached by the reviewer is however comforting. In comparison with the fanatical religious sectarians who gave their support to Cromwell’s Commonwealth, Swedenborg’s writing is acquitted. It does not constitute any real danger; Swedenborg is seen as too eccentric to excite insurrection among the people. Yet the need to assess Swedenborgianism for its potential threat to monarchy and the Government is an indication that the early members were those who were believed to be likely to be taken in by democratic ideologies.

    After the Revolution in France had struck fear into the hearts of English conservatives, evaluations of Swedenborgianism were not always so favourable. In the debate over the dissenters’ campaign for repeal of the Test and Corporation Acts, some Anglicans feared that amendment of the current laws would result in an uprising among: the numberless multitude of Presbyterians, Independents, Anabaptists, Antinomians, Muggletonians, Swedenburgians [sic.], New-Light-Men, Sandemanians, and the various motley description of modern Schismatics aided by the Turks and Infidels of all names and nations, with Lord George Gordon at their head and Jewish priests sounding the horns of sedition in his train. [15]

    Interestingly, Swedenborgianism is erroneously seen to originate with seventeenth-century sects, which were popularly connected with the social upheaval of the Civil War – although Swedenborg’s theosophical writings, of course, appearing nearly a century later. The comparison with the radical Lord Gordon, the instigator of the “Gordon Riots” in 1780, only reinforces the sense of political danger the Swedenborgians were seen to constitute.

    Masonic Swedenborgianism

    The prevalence of an unmistakable political dimension in Swedenborgianism warns us not to limit the scope of our understanding of Blake’s motives for seeking out the New Jerusalem Church only to questions of theology. There are undeniable links between the reading of Swedenborg and radical activity, centered on a branch of radical Freemasons who operated internationally, but gathered in London. [16] However, it has been obfuscated largely due to the historian on the early developments in the New Jerusalem Church, Robert Hindmarsh."


    http://www.esoteric.msu.edu/VolumeV/Blake.htm
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    Blake's Book of Job probably titillated a lot of the inner sanctum partying at the HOGD and Medmenham. You might also enjoy it. Or if funds allow you could buy the Medmenham mansion for around 10 million pounds in 2015.

    http://www.bc.edu/bc_org/avp/cas/ash...html#plate%20i

    I have selected one simple example of how a myth doth groweth in the annals of myth-making and people who NEED fear to keep them moral.

    "IV
    And there came a messenger unto Job, and said, The oxen were plowing... and the Sabeans fell upon them... and yea, they have slain the servants with the edge of the sword (Job i:14-15)

    From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it (Job i:7)

    ...and I only am escaped alone to tell thee (Job i:15)

    While he was yet speaking, there came also another, and said, The fire of God is fallen from heaven, and hath burned up the sheep, and the servants, and consumed them; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee (Job i:16)"


    I suppose I have gotten off track in a study of Blake and there are worthwhile things to say about George Washington, Benjamin Franklin and all so many people being people who had desires just like all people. The key is not to get carried away with the power knowledge doth bringeth when people start their worship or fear motors going off with no understanding whatsoever. But you will find many places have gotten off track about all these people - and I am not sure you will easily find any truth in any of it.

    http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False...lfire_club.htm

    Sad to say there are many scholars who will think Blake was a believer in Christian dogma rather than a total critic of all dogma. As is true with almost all people who are part of his continuum of philosophy (Hermetics or Bardism) you will find biographers and journalists using them to float their own boat. It appears Thompson got a better view of him.

    "Issue 62 of INTERNATIONAL SOCIALISM JOURNAL Published Spring 1994 Copyright © International Socialism


    Blake's revolution

    A review of E P Thompson, Witness Against the Beast, William Blake and the Moral Law (Cambridge, 1993) £17.95

    JUDY COX

    William Blake, poet and engraver, was one of the great revolutionary artists. Some of his best works were inspired by the French Revolution. His first biographer, Alexander Gilcrest, wrote that 'down to his last days Blake always avowed himself a "Liberty Boy". He courageously donned the famous symbol of liberty and equality--the bonnet rougein open day...'1 In 1780 he took part in a riot in which the notorious Newgate Gaol was burnt to the ground and its prisoners freed. In 1803 he stood trial for sedition. Throughout his working life he used all his artistic talents to wage war on the institutions of the state and the church, which he passionately believed were instruments of repression and corruption. He raged against the misery and bondage imposed on the mass of the population, and at the same time celebrated the possibility of human liberation.

    But despite the overwhelming evidence of his radical views it is still difficult to fit Blake neatly into any category or school of artists. He produced most of his work around the end of the 18th century--the Age of Reason when enlightened ideas of science, rationality and commerce came to replace the superstition and prejudices of the medieval world. For radical writers of the period like Thomas Paine and Mary Wollstonecraft reason was a weapon against dictatorship and tyranny. They argued for a society based on rational government, not inherited privilege, and for a democracy in which every citizen would have rights.

    Blake was also a radical but his work can seem at odds with the spirit of his times. He has no use for maps, globes and compasses. Instead his work is full of biblical figures, serpents, trees and mythical gods. Blake values faith and devotion and is utterly contemptuous of the idea of reason. So for many readers and critics William Blake seems to be, at best, unique, a mystic who expressed his own inner visions, conceived in isolation from the world around him. At worst Blake can appear as a religious crackpot retreating in horror from the progress being made by the world around him. An example of this kind of confusion is the way Blake's Jerusalem, a song from the poem Milton, is treated today. This is an impassioned and powerful call for sexual and artistic liberation but, ironically, it has become a favourite of Women's Institute singalongs and Conservative Association get togethers!

    In Witness Against the Beast Marxist historian E P Thompson sets out to explore how traditions of radical thought influenced Blake, traditions which other academic critics of Blake have largely overlooked. The result is a fascinating book which unearths 150 years of radical thinking, the history of hundreds of men and women for whom religion was a way of defying and criticising the society in which they lived. When seen as part of this tradition, Blake comes to life. The visions he expresses in his poems and engravings that seem to be simply religious devotion become subversive and rebellious. The things which preoccupied him so much--the Fall, the serpent, Adam and Eve--which can seem obscure to us today were means by which Blake launched attacks on the corruption and hypocrisy of the society in which he lived."


    I believe Blake was the head of a Druid Order as I am told by a member of OBOD.
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    It will no doubt amuse the sycophants or fool-owers of religion to learn that St. Brendan carried Zotz the Vampire god to Palenque of the Mayan people and that recent archaeology has found another site in the last year - called El Zotz.

    No Arch-Druid like Blake would miss this myth which Navigatio only begins the telling of. I have not read that account of the voyages of St. Brendan which my father told me about. I have built a great deal more from every science to prove it. So as you read this decent portrayal (done somewhat humorously) I can assure you Vlad is connected through Sarkeny Rend Rosicrucianity with Soc Ros of my namesake (RtB) to the Druids including what St. Columba said "Jesus is the new Druid". The Sidhe are more than this article says and I think they are well over 30,000 year old scientists of all knowledge, but in a land which became subject to hiding all true knowledge the myths are indeed only clues to what once was real.

    http://www.darkecho.com/darkecho/hor...h_vampire.html

    "As we mentioned above, Joseph Sheridan Le Fanu is noted for his ghost stories, but he is also remembered for his novella "Carmilla." Published in 1872, it tells of a lonely English girl who meets a beautiful aristocratic vampiress in an isolated castle. But there's as much of the banshee and the lianhan sidhe (although with lesbian rather than heterosexual orientation) in "Carmilla" as there is eastern European vampiric influence. And, according to Richard Davenport-Hines in GOTHIC: FOUR HUNDRED YEARS OF EXCESS, HORROR, EVIL AND RUIN, "Carmilla" is also a political allegory; its setting somewhere in the Austro-Hugarian empire a substitute for 19th century Ireland. The English narrator, Laura, and her father live an isolated existence that parallels that of the Anglo-Irish gentry of the period. They live near "a ruined village" that resembles the results of Irish depopulation after the great famine of 1845-49. The extinct "proud family of Karnstein" is a parallel for the extinction of much of the Irish peerage after the Act of Union of 1800. After 1800, no new Irish peerage could be created without the extinction of three old ones, thus the aristocracy was "only able to regenerate by a sort of legalistic vampirism." Carmilla, an undead member of the otherwise defunct Karnsteins, "[l]ike the Irish peerage...needs extinctions to revive." The three young women who expire in the story equate with the "three Irish peerages required before a new one can come alive."

    "Carmilla" was certainly an influence (some go as far as to say a plagiarized source) of another Irish writer, Bram Stoker. Although not a social and political parable like "Carmilla," the Irish folkloric and literary influences are definitely there. And, Stoker's vampires, according to Davenport-Hines, can be seen as a metaphor for the assimilation of capital; the American character of Morris as symbolic of a future that is dominated by the new world, not the British Empire.

    Hollywood eventually turned Stoker's evil nobleman into a glamorous, debonair film image with Tod Browning's suave count, portrayed in the 1931 movie by Bela Lugosi. Stoker, having served as Victorian theatrical luminary Sir Henry Irving's "manager" for 27 years, knew something of the dramatic, but even he could not predict his creation's dramatic impact. The book has been adapted over 100 times for the screen. Anne Rice, the writer most responsible for our current cultural interpretation of the vampire mythos, was inspired by the 1936 Universal sequel to DRACULA, DRACULA'S DAUGHTER (along with the book DRACULA, "Carmilla," and other sources.) Rice's maiden name was O'Brien. Her father is described by Rice biographer Katherine Ramsland as "a son of the Irish Channel" in New Orleans; her mother, Katherine Allen, "came from an old and respected Irish family." As for her vampiric anti-hero Lestat , despite his aristocratic French antecedents, there's something of the stereotypical Irishman about him --the irresistibly charming canny outsider; the compulsive sinner with an addictive thirst.

    Not convinced, are ye? Well, no two people ever lit a fire without disagreeing. But come this St. Patrick's day, if ye can not envision the vampire as more Irish than those pesky leprachauns, then at least to all these Irish storytellers and their dark tales.

    Sláinte! "
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    The issue of Blake being the arch-druid of OBOD is like most of their claims - they are at best neo-Druids! There is no doubt Wikipedia gets a great deal wrong in their articles on Druids as they spend so much time focused on a word "Druid"; without any comment on the language schools of two millennia earlier that developed all the Mediterranean (And likely most other alphabets in the world.) languages which they do cover in a separate linguistic article. Yes, the Finn-oecians or Phoenicians are Keltic elites and the "people of" or Tuatha.

    But they say Blake may have been part of the earlier order which also was just Neo-Druidism (ADO). So my 15 year member of OBOD who said they have good scholars, and I offered to debate them - over a month ago, is just another poser or flake.

    "From the 18th century, England and Wales experienced a revival of interest in the druids. John Aubrey (1626–1697) had been the first modern writer to (incorrectly) connect Stonehenge and other megalithic monuments with the druids; since Aubrey's views were confined to his notebooks, the first wide audience for this idea were readers of William Stukeley (1687–1765).[78] It is incorrectly believed that John Toland (1670–1722) founded the Ancient Druid Order however the research of historian Ronald Hutton has revealed that the ADO was founded by George Watson MacGregor Reid in 1909.[citation needed] The order never used (and still does not use) the title "ArchDruid" for any member, but falsely credited William Blake as having been its "Chosen Chief" from 1799 to 1827, without corroboration in Blake's numerous writings or among modern Blake scholars. Blake's bardic mysticism derives instead from the pseudo-Ossianic epics of Macpherson; his friend Frederick Tatham's depiction of Blake's imagination, "clothing itself in the dark stole of moral sanctity"— in the precincts of Westminster Abbey— "it dwelt amid the druid terrors", is generic rather than specifically neo-druidic.[79] John Toland was fascinated by Aubrey's Stonehenge theories, and wrote his own book about the monument without crediting Aubrey. The roles of bards in 10th century Wales had been established by Hywel Dda and it was during the 18th century that the idea arose that druids had been their predecessors.[80]

    The 19th-century idea, gained from uncritical reading of the Gallic Wars, that under cultural-military pressure from Rome the druids formed the core of 1st-century BCE resistance among the Gauls, was examined and dismissed before World War II,[81] though it remains current in folk history."


    Here we have Crowley and his Book of Lies.

    http://hermetic.com/crowley/libers/lib333.html

    Since he is largely using or abusing triads and they have roots in Druidic lore I think I should place this here. Some of these Druids who are Christianized and do not know the true history will be found saying the Brehon Laws of old still exist. Yes, what remains and what was doctored by the Roman agents like Patrick - but not the larger and very ancient laws. It is like comparing a lawyer with a Sage or Magus. http://www.druidicdawn.org/files/A%2...ds%20(3x3).pdf
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