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    Who are the Russian Royals

    Before the German Romanovs began becoming part of the Boyars or Russian Nobility in the late 13th C. in the places we call Russia today, there were Norse people who probably are related to the ancient Vaners going back before the Scythians and I cannot say when they were most in control. Gimbutas places these people returning from the Crimea or steppes starting after the last major Ice Age and probably a little before it truly ended. This would place their return to the Baltic about a thousand years before the Beaker people reached the Emerald Isles but we might find some of them were already there from Cerny. The Cerny people near Paris arrived in the 6th Millennium BCE. It is important to remember all people enjoy having sex with other people and white people did not exist before 35,000 years ago.

    But you might find the Khazars who are not Jews in terms we think of as Middle Eastern peoples are a part of the Russian establishment. It is important to many people to understand the Ashkenazi-Khazar Jews are recent and not from any region near Palestine. They are Germans and Slavs or Poles mostly, who had taken up lands in Turkey at various times when the opportunity arose. The people we call Vikings became Christians in the same way the Khazars became Jewish - politics. They included many races or peoples and we even have a Mayan's remains in Denmark to add to the list of people who joined what we could say was a continuation of the Phoenician Pirates. Needless to say these people really are not what nation or clan they came from in some recorded history. Usually that history is doctored and made into dogma. I remember finding Roger of Sicily was Norse or Norman in the 11th C. AD in my research, and being surprised he was a Viking or Norseman. It is necessary to define eras when talking about these things, to say the least. The Crusades caused many Germanic people or Norsemen to take control in places like Cyprus, lasting far after they were defeated and driven out of the middle east.

    "In 740 response to forcing them to convert to Islam, and the evacuation of their territory by the Muslims to quell rebellions in Syria et al., the Khazars (Hazaras Turks) convert to Judaism (at least their leaders, the rest following by 840), and withdraw beyond the Caucasus, going on to expand from the Caspian Sea to the Dnieper River, and as far as the Black Sea, causing the Slavic tribes to turn to the Scandinavian Varangians (Vikings) (Rus) (proto-Russians) to the N for trade; because of them many modern Jews have hooked noses and speak Yiddish?
    Rurik (830-79)

    In 860 was the first recorded appearance of the Rus (Russians) (Varangians) at Constantinople - getting their piece of the Viking pie? Russia's next top model is? In 862 Novgorod ("new town") (in modern times one of Russia's oldest towns) is founded on the Volkhov River by the Rus (from Finnish "ruoysi", meaning "those who rowed") Viking Ulrich; Scandinavian Varangian Viking prince Rurik (ON "famous ruler") (830-79) is allegedly invited by the people of Novgorod to rule their city, founding the Russian Tsar (named after Caesar) Dynasty, and reopening the Norse trade to the E that had been cut off by the Huns and Avars in the 5th and 6th cents., beginning trade with Constantinople and the Khazars along the Russian waterways of the Dvina, Dnieper, and Don Rivers; "Our country is large and has an abundance of everything, but there is no order or justice amongst us. Come and take possession of the land and govern us." (Ancient Chronicle of Kiev); Vikings Askold and Dir leave Rurik's Novgorod and sail S down the Dnieper River, founding the town of Kiev and becoming its rulers.

    In 879 Rurik (b. 830) dies, and his brother-in-law Prince Oleg (Russ. "Holy") (-912) becomes prince of Novgorod until his small son Prince Igor can come of age, gathering a large force of Finns, Varangians, and Slavs, and sailing down the Dnieper River to Smolensk, holding up little Igor at each town and telling the people "This is the prince of all the Russians, Rurik's son"; Prince Oleg lures Askold and Dir out of Kiev and kills them, then moves in, declaring "This shall be the mother of all Russian cities"; he unites the E Slavs, stops paying taxes to the Khazars, and establishes Russia from Kiev N to Lake Ladoga, with Kiev as the capital of Kievan Russia (until 1169).

    In 912 Prince Oleg dies, and Prince Igor (-945) becomes Varangian ruler of Kiev (until 945); he and his mentor Grand Prince Oleg sail with a large army towards Constantinople, raiding the villages along the Bosporus and obtaining a treaty giving Russian merchants privileges along with shiploads of bribes for their "druzhina" (friends)."


    http://historyscoper.com/russianmonarchs.html

    At this point the Khazars are out of power and no longer collecting taxes. They retire to a region of the Caucasus where Stalin later came from - Georgia it was then named. But how this is instructional to present history is why I started this thread. The Russian Revolution we were told was headed up by bad Jews from outside of Russia and up to 97 per cent of the leading revolutionaries were Jewish. Lenin can be considered a Jew as well as what I hope to show is the case with Stalin.

    It is one possible way to characterize what happened, that these Ashkenazi Jews who make up 83% of all Jews now, were re-taking leadership of all the Russias and throwing out the Germanic Royals who had taken power and yet were not true Russians. I hope also to be able to establish who the Asiatic Brethren (a secret society with important members of other such societies - http://enlightenment198.com/wp-conte...c-Brethren.pdf) as well as the Asians, we are told the Mongols are. That region is still disputed in the 21st Century. That is a lot to establish but we will see what we get. Anti-Semitism is a major issue in present day Russia, and as the next author accurately points out history is important to grasp so we will continue to explore this matter.
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    One way of characterizing the so called October Revolution ousting the Romanovs is quite different than a Revolt. It was you will see - a band of drunks seeking the wine cellar of the Czar. And such things are often used to buy the average person who really has no idea why their leaders are saying all the slogans and making it seem that the other side is real bad. Wine, women, plunder and pillage was a staple of the Vikings and just about every takeover and battle for a long time.

    "INSTITUTE FOR HISTORICAL REVIEW

    The Jewish Role in the Bolshevik Revolution
    and Russia's Early Soviet Regime

    Assessing the Grim Legacy of Soviet Communism {Note the use of pejorative wording.}

    by Mark Weber

    In the night of July 16-17, 1918, a squad of Bolshevik secret police murdered Russia's last emperor, Tsar Nicholas II, along with his wife, Tsaritsa Alexandra, their 14-year-old son, Tsarevich Alexis, and their four daughters. They were cut down in a hail of gunfire in a half-cellar room of the house in Ekaterinburg, a city in the Ural mountain region, where they were being held prisoner. The daughters were finished off with bayonets. To prevent a cult for the dead Tsar, the bodies were carted away to the countryside and hastily buried in a secret grave.

    Bolshevik authorities at first reported that the Romanov emperor had been shot after the discovery of a plot to liberate him. For some time the deaths of the Empress and the children were kept secret. Soviet historians claimed for many years that local Bolsheviks had acted on their own in carrying out the killings, and that Lenin, founder of the Soviet state, had nothing to do with the crime.

    In 1990, Moscow playwright and historian Edvard Radzinsky announced the result of his detailed investigation into the murders. He unearthed the reminiscences of Lenin's bodyguard, Alexei Akimov, who recounted how he personally delivered Lenin's execution order to the telegraph office. The telegram was also signed by Soviet government chief Yakov Sverdlov. Akimov had saved the original telegraph tape as a record of the secret order.1

    Radzinsky's research confirmed what earlier evidence had already indicated. Leon Trotsky -- one of Lenin's closest colleagues -- had revealed years earlier that Lenin and Sverdlov had together made the decision to put the Tsar and his family to death. Recalling a conversation in 1918, Trotsky wrote:2


    My next visit to Moscow took place after the [temporary] fall of Ekaterinburg [to anti-Communist forces]. Speaking with Sverdlov, I asked in passing: "Oh yes, and where is the Tsar?"

    "Finished," he replied. "He has been shot."

    "And where is the family?"

    "The family along with him."

    "All of them?," I asked, apparently with a trace of surprise.

    "All of them," replied Sverdlov. "What about it?" He was waiting to see my reaction. I made no reply.

    "And who made the decision?," I asked.

    "We decided it here. Ilyich [Lenin] believed that we shouldn't leave the Whites a live banner to rally around, especially under the present difficult circumstances."

    I asked no further questions and considered the matter closed.

    Recent research and investigation by Radzinsky and others also corroborates the account provided years earlier by Robert Wilton, correspondent of the London Times in Russia for 17 years. His account, The Last Days of the Romanovs - originally published in 1920, and reissued in 1993 by the Institute for Historical Review -- is based in large part on the findings of a detailed investigation carried out in 1919 by Nikolai Sokolov under the authority of "White" (anti-Communist) leader Alexander Kolchak. Wilton's book remains one of the most accurate and complete accounts of the murder of Russia's imperial family.3

    A solid understanding of history has long been the best guide to comprehending the present and anticipating the future. Accordingly, people are most interested in historical questions during times of crisis, when the future seems most uncertain. With the collapse of Communist rule in the Soviet Union, 1989-1991, and as Russians struggle to build a new order on the ruins of the old, historical issues have become very topical. For example, many ask: How did the Bolsheviks, a small movement guided by the teachings of German-Jewish social philosopher Karl Marx, succeed in taking control of Russia and imposing a cruel and despotic regime on its people?

    In recent years, Jews around the world have been voicing anxious concern over the specter of anti-Semitism in the lands of the former Soviet Union. In this new and uncertain era, we are told, suppressed feelings of hatred and rage against Jews are once again being expressed. According to one public opinion survey conducted in 1991, for example, most Russians wanted all Jews to leave the country.4 But precisely why is anti-Jewish sentiment so widespread among the peoples of the former Soviet Union? Why do so many Russians, Ukrainians, Lithuanians and others blame "the Jews" for so much misfortune?

    A Taboo Subject

    Although officially Jews have never made up more than five percent of the country's total population,5 they played a highly disproportionate and probably decisive role in the infant Bolshevik regime, effectively dominating the Soviet government during its early years. Soviet historians, along with most of their colleagues in the West, for decades preferred to ignore this subject. The facts, though, cannot be denied.

    With the notable exception of Lenin (Vladimir Ulyanov), most of the leading Communists who took control of Russia in 1917-20 were Jews. Leon Trotsky (Lev Bronstein) headed the Red Army and, for a time, was chief of Soviet foreign affairs. Yakov Sverdlov (Solomon) was both the Bolshevik party's executive secretary and -- as chairman of the Central Executive Committee -- head of the Soviet government. Grigori Zinoviev (Radomyslsky) headed the Communist International (Comintern), the central agency for spreading revolution in foreign countries. Other prominent Jews included press commissar Karl Radek (Sobelsohn), foreign affairs commissar Maxim Litvinov (Wallach), Lev Kamenev (Rosenfeld) and Moisei Uritsky.6

    Lenin himself was of mostly Russian and Kalmuck ancestry, but he was also one-quarter Jewish. His maternal grandfather, Israel (Alexander) Blank, was a Ukrainian Jew who was later baptized into the Russian Orthodox Church.7

    A thorough-going internationalist, Lenin viewed ethnic or cultural loyalties with contempt. He had little regard for his own countrymen. "An intelligent Russian," he once remarked, "is almost always a Jew or someone with Jewish blood in his veins."8

    Critical Meetings

    In the Communist seizure of power in Russia, the Jewish role was probably critical.

    Two weeks prior to the Bolshevik "October Revolution" of 1917, Lenin convened a top secret meeting in St. Petersburg (Petrograd) at which the key leaders of the Bolshevik party's Central Committee made the fateful decision to seize power in a violent takeover. Of the twelve persons who took part in this decisive gathering, there were four Russians (including Lenin), one Georgian (Stalin), one Pole (Dzerzhinsky), and six Jews.9

    To direct the takeover, a seven-man "Political Bureau" was chosen. It consisted of two Russians (Lenin and Bubnov), one Georgian (Stalin), and four Jews (Trotsky, Sokolnikov, Zinoviev, and Kamenev).10 Meanwhile, the Petersburg (Petrograd) Soviet -- whose chairman was Trotsky -- established an 18-member "Military Revolutionary Committee" to actually carry out the seizure of power. It included eight (or nine) Russians, one Ukrainian, one Pole, one Caucasian, and six Jews.11 Finally, to supervise the organization of the uprising, the Bolshevik Central Committee established a five-man "Revolutionary Military Center" as the Party's operations command. It consisted of one Russian (Bubnov), one Georgian (Stalin), one Pole (Dzerzhinsky), and two Jews (Sverdlov and Uritsky).12"


    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v14/v14n1p-4_Weber.html

    Money from Germany given to Lenin to help end the Russian front was an important element. The Trotsky release from a Halifax jail I have mentioned many times is also funded by money we can trace to Rothschilds. Rothschilds are the Benjaminites of the Bible and that I have addressed in many ways, The Halakah is a key issue, and law of these elite people who were thrown out of Palestine by Israelites more than once. There was no Babylonian Diaspora or earlier Exodus. These people taken to Babylon had been satrap overlords, tax collectors and continued to maintain a role in almost every Empire since Moses (a word which means leader - Moshe) if there ever was such a character. The Halakah is the law of the Jews - they say. But close inspection will show it empowers elite Jews to kill and abuse lesser Jews as well as Gentiles. The Bible was redacted and created as the Hebrew Bible during the so called Babylonian captivity and guess what? It gave the Benjaminites the monopoly on usury (interest on and creation of money). This is still engrained in the Islamic culture today. The house of David and Judah were also given many monopolies.

    What is the difference between Divine Right of Kings, Manifest Destiny, Papal Infallibility and the present day Westphalian Order?
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    Who are the actual puppet masters? I have laid it out on many books, and still you can say I am not sure. I am sure I know more about it than any other author I have read, and that people like Winston Churchill know things they lie about and manipulate including what I found him confess to in his book The Island Race. It was just one small sentence or paragraph you could call apologetics which tried to say there is good and great reason for the largest genocide this world has ever seen - which continued into the Americas and became larger again. A large percentage of all people on Earth were wiped out; with intent, motive and this confession. I already had the smoking gun before I found his words. That was in the 16th Century mostly but it can be connected with every other genocide (except Pol Pot) and elimination of true history since then. It is no where near to being as simple as Mark Weber is saying, but his facts are correct and you must consider facts, statistics and the like despite what Mark Twain said about them being "lies and damned lies". Mark Twain was no mere Sophist. You must take note of words like 'atheist' in the mouth of Churchill. He is a Druid initiated at Blenheim Palace - St. Columba properly said "Jesus is the new Druid." in the fifth century. Every side lies about religion and social engineers always use it, and have for at least four millennia. As I often say - you must read The End of History and the Last Man.

    "Contemporary Voices of Warning

    Well-informed observers, both inside and outside of Russia, took note at the time of the crucial Jewish role in Bolshevism. Winston Churchill, for one, warned in an article published in the February 8, 1920, issue of the London Illustrated Sunday Herald that Bolshevism is a "worldwide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilization and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality." The eminent British political leader and historian went on to write:13


    There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these international and for the most part atheistical Jews. It is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others. With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of the leading figures are Jews. Moreover, the principal inspiration and driving power comes from the Jewish leaders. Thus Tchitcherin, a pure Russian, is eclipsed by his nominal subordinate, Litvinoff, and the influence of Russians like Bukharin or Lunacharski cannot be compared with the power of Trotsky, or of Zinovieff, the Dictator of the Red Citadel (Petrograd), or of Krassin or Radek -- all Jews. In the Soviet institutions the predominance of Jews is even more astonishing. And the prominent, if not indeed the principal, part in the system of terrorism applied by the Extraordinary Commissions for Combatting Counter-Revolution [the Cheka] has been taken by Jews, and in some notable cases by Jewesses.

    Needless to say, the most intense passions of revenge have been excited in the breasts of the Russian people.

    David R. Francis, United States ambassador in Russia, warned in a January 1918 dispatch to Washington: "The Bolshevik leaders here, most of whom are Jews and 90 percent of whom are returned exiles, care little for Russia or any other country but are internationalists and they are trying to start a worldwide social revolution."14

    The Netherlands' ambassador in Russia, Oudendyke, made much the same point a few months later: "Unless Bolshevism is nipped in the bud immediately, it is bound to spread in one form or another over Europe and the whole world as it is organized and worked by Jews who have no nationality, and whose one object is to destroy for their own ends the existing order of things."15

    "The Bolshevik Revolution," declared a leading American Jewish community paper in 1920, "was largely the product of Jewish thinking, Jewish discontent, Jewish effort to reconstruct."16

    As an expression of its radically anti-nationalist character, the fledgling Soviet government issued a decree a few months after taking power that made anti-Semitism a crime in Russia. The new Communist regime thus became the first in the world to severely punish all expressions of anti-Jewish sentiment.17 Soviet officials apparently regarded such measures as indispensable. Based on careful observation during a lengthy stay in Russia, American-Jewish scholar Frank Golder reported in 1925 that "because so many of the Soviet leaders are Jews anti-Semitism is gaining [in Russia], particularly in the army [and] among the old and new intelligentsia who are being crowded for positions by the sons of Israel."18

    Historians' Views

    Summing up the situation at that time, Israeli historian Louis Rapoport writes:19


    Immediately after the [Bolshevik] Revolution, many Jews were euphoric over their high representation in the new government. Lenin's first Politburo was dominated by men of Jewish origins.

    Under Lenin, Jews became involved in all aspects of the Revolution, including its dirtiest work. Despite the Communists' vows to eradicate anti-Semitism, it spread rapidly after the Revolution -- partly because of the prominence of so many Jews in the Soviet administration, as well as in the traumatic, inhuman Sovietization drives that followed. Historian Salo Baron has noted that an immensely disproportionate number of Jews joined the new Bolshevik secret police, the Cheka And many of those who fell afoul of the Cheka would be shot by Jewish investigators.

    The collective leadership that emerged in Lenin's dying days was headed by the Jew Zinoviev, a loquacious, mean-spirited, curly-haired Adonis whose vanity knew no bounds.

    "Anyone who had the misfortune to fall into the hands of the Cheka," wrote Jewish historian Leonard Schapiro, "stood a very good chance of finding himself confronted with, and possibly shot by, a Jewish investigator."20 In Ukraine, "Jews made up nearly 80 percent of the rank-and-file Cheka agents," reports W. Bruce Lincoln, an American professor of Russian history.21 (Beginning as the Cheka, or Vecheka) the Soviet secret police was later known as the GPU, OGPU, NKVD, MVD and KGB.)

    In light of all this, it should not be surprising that Yakov M. Yurovksy, the leader of the Bolshevik squad that carried out the murder of the Tsar and his family, was Jewish, as was Sverdlov, the Soviet chief who co-signed Lenin's execution order.22

    Igor Shafarevich, a Russian mathematician of world stature, has sharply criticized the Jewish role in bringing down the Romanov monarchy and establishing Communist rule in his country. Shafarevich was a leading dissident during the final decades of Soviet rule. A prominent human rights activist, he was a founding member of the Committee on the Defense of Human Rights in the USSR.

    In Russophobia, a book written ten years before the collapse of Communist rule, he noted that Jews were "amazingly" numerous among the personnel of the Bolshevik secret police. The characteristic Jewishness of the Bolshevik executioners, Shafarevich went on, is most conspicuous in the execution of Nicholas II:23

    This ritual action symbolized the end of centuries of Russian history, so that it can be compared only to the execution of Charles I in England or Louis XVI in France. It would seem that representatives of an insignificant ethnic minority should keep as far as possible from this painful action, which would reverberate in all history. Yet what names do we meet? The execution was personally overseen by Yakov Yurovsky who shot the Tsar; the president of the local Soviet was Beloborodov (Vaisbart); the person responsible for the general administration in Ekaterinburg was Shaya Goloshchekin. To round out the picture, on the wall of the room where the execution took place was a distich from a poem by Heine (written in German) about King Balthazar, who offended Jehovah and was killed for the offense.

    In his 1920 book, British veteran journalist Robert Wilton offered a similarly harsh assessment:24


    The whole record of Bolshevism in Russia is indelibly impressed with the stamp of alien invasion. The murder of the Tsar, deliberately planned by the Jew Sverdlov (who came to Russia as a paid agent of Germany) and carried out by the Jews Goloshchekin, Syromolotov, Safarov, Voikov and Yurovsky, is the act not of the Russian people, but of this hostile invader.
    In the struggle for power that followed Lenin's death in 1924, Stalin emerged victorious over his rivals, eventually succeeding in putting to death nearly every one of the most prominent early Bolsheviks leaders - including Trotsky, Zinoviev, Radek, and Kamenev. With the passage of time, and particularly after 1928, the Jewish role in the top leadership of the Soviet state and its Communist party diminished markedly."
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    The Americans had many forces in Russia and their British counterparts were also there competing for the benefit of corpserists (David Korten's good word) - and these nations are puppets too. The truth of switching allegiances and all the intrigue is reminiscent of the Trojan War which I think was the first worldwide war in history. The end of WWI was just a "cessation of hostility" and Lord Admiral Curzon was not the only one who said so. You can view the end of that war as a respite for tea and crumpets while determining strategy at a corporate level. I am not blaming globalization - that too is a buzz word like the fictional New World Order. These things are NOT new.

    All of these things are being established more and more every year, from archaeology and other scholarship I have laid out. We know many of the Royals can be found claiming Merovingian ancestry and Frederick the Great returned to the middle east to marry a Benjaminite princess during his all important German reign over Europe. Sion is a town in Switzerland which has been a safe haven for the Battenberg Royals recently having changed their name (Lord Louis Mountbatten did this in WWI but his association with Churchill is vital to much of WWII). Whether or not there is a Priory of Sion {Which has definite connections to the Royals} and what connection it has with Sionism and the Zionist agenda of Lord Nathan Rothschild who vowed to get his Royal cousins the Romanoffs after they set up a Parliament and freed Russian serfs in the mid 19th C. is all part of the intrigues I have broached before. The Protocols of Sion may be falsely attributed or fraudulent but they are closer to true history than their detractors say. The issue gets very complex when you have Royals succeeding in getting control of the Holy Roman Empire from time to time.

    In the matter of World War I and who financed the Russian Revolution you have these agents of the Rothschilds and Federal Reserve creation to consider. http://kingdomsoftheworld.com/photos.htm

    The two I highlight follow House who is the mastermind who selected people like Vanderlip to author so much of the Jekyll Island takeover of world finance. Vanderlip's wife was still living in their Palos Verdes home when I visited my sister-in-laws cousin a few times. He lived next door to her and said she was a nice old lady. You might also research why John Ralston Saul said the end of the Bretton Woods Agreement was more important than the wars of the 20th Century - all the same war or plan actually.

    "Paul Warburg

    Conceded to be the actual author of our central bank plan, the Federal Reserve System, by knowledgeable authorities. Emigrated to the United States from Germany 1904; partner, Kuhn Loeb and Company bankers, New York; naturalized 1911. Member of the original Federal Reserve Board of Governors, 1914-1918; president Federal Advisory Council, 1918-1928. Brother of Max Warburg, who was head of German Secret Service during World War I and who represented Germany at the Peace Conference, 1918-1919, while Paul was chairman of the Federal Reserve System.

    SIR WILLIAM WISEMAN

    Partner of Kuhn, Loeb and Company; head of British Secret Service during World War I. Worked closely with Col. House dominating the United States and England."


    Without knowing how political people are often occultly controlled and history or religion is all a smokescreen - how can most anyone ever grasp what connects Lafitte to the KKK, Col. House, and the FED or New Deal and the beginning of Russia and unions.

    George Patton knew about the secret research in Germany including a nuclear bomb almost complete. He wanted to continue the war until Russia was not an issue. He did not know Russia and indeed the first world war were part of a larger plan. He had to be killed because he would not have kept his mouth shut.

    From the thread here titled, Protocols, Russia and The World Cop, we have:

    When Boris Yeltsin spoke about an experiment that 'they' wrought upon his Russian 'brethren' on June 1st, 1991; did anyone ask who THEY were? Here is what he said:

    "Our country has not been lucky. Indeed, it was decided to carry out this Marxist experiment on us -... Instead of some country in Africa, they began this experiment with us."

    Then I might ask why an article of mine has been translated into French and then re-translated into English more than twice on first glance at the more extensive google hits on Lafitte and Dupont de Nemours. He was a Plenipotentiary like Rufus King an ancestor of mine. Edward Livingston was a Minister Plenipotentiary also, he helped Andrew Jackson screw Lafitte and his military assistants or pirates at the Battle of New Orleans. Patrick Lafitte sent me correspondence with a person who was part of the dealings and double dealings. That is where Jackson also promised every black man who fought would get his freedom, he would later be President of the USA and the Rothschilds made an attempt on his life. Could Jean Lafitte or his brothers have been part of that attempt. There are reasons to think Jean had big banking connections from other people who say he was representing them. I hope we do see a truthful story on the life of this great man - unlike the ones already done that Yul Brynner was in - etc. The Dupont fellow is the scion who sold armaments to both sides of all the Revolutionary Wars and as an economist/writer set up Physiocratic institutions and ideals leading to the FED. They later owned GM and the chemical company which bears his name - can you say Military-Industrial Complex?

    These are free articles but sometimes they are screwed over and up so bad it makes no sense. Thankfully they usually give me no credit - just like many authors and movie or TV producers who are 'inspired' (fancy way of saying breaching trademark or copyright). IDK - is that the code for I don't care? If humanity learns these truths that is my payment in full.

    http://www.dormirenfrance.fr/alchimi...ue-s107656.htm

    This site has people arguing about Lafitte and a treasure - not exactly what I am talking about above - nor the many bankers who fought for his business before he went underground or faked his death - after the attempt on Jackson's life. The Cincinnati Society probably connects with the Copperheads or remnants thereof which also is FOGC or Golden Circle sorts you may have seen on TV lately - with Wolters. I did send him a little information but he thinks what he has said is enough - such trite crap. Of course, I did not send him what you see in this post. It requires a lot more to set the stage for such accusations.

    http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/be...ections-2.html
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    Skipping past the murder of the Romanoff family and how many people died in the Stalin era which Weber provides evidence for including Jewish commandants in the Gulags. He does note the Romanoff regime was the most anti-Semitic government with ghettos large and horrific. I might return to the number of 20 million he gives and say the Ukrainians alone might have lost up to 32 million. There were American forces fighting Cossacks in Siberia for some fishy reasons. The Cossacks later fought with Hitler, not because they found Hitler much better, but because of what Stalin had and was doing. There are some unintelligible Cossack conflicts with so-called Jews as well. I have even heard Stalin was the shooter of the Czar.

    I probably will return to this era when Iberia was re-named as Tiflis and the Caucasus saw an end to an ancient language called Ukrainian but which was close to the Phoenician language more than any other language they gave all of the Old World. Linguists all agree and in 1995 even Hebrew was put in it's correct place in the Indo-Aryan linguistic tree. I will not forget the ancestry of Stalin and his role as CEO for other interests. I have not read the pdf file on the Asiatic Brethren which I put in the opening post. It appears largely to be rabble-rousing satanic nonsense but maybe there is something in it which I can use. I will complete Weber's article first.

    "Another historian, Ivor Benson, characterized the killing of the Romanov family as symbolic of the tragic fate of Russia and, indeed, of the entire West, in this century of unprecedented agony and conflict.

    The murder of the Tsar and his family is all the more deplorable because, whatever his failings as a monarch, Nicholas II was, by all accounts, a personally decent, generous, humane and honorable man.

    The Massacre's Place in History

    The mass slaughter and chaos of the First World War, and the revolutionary upheavals that swept Europe in 1917-1918, brought an end not only to the ancient Romanov dynasty in Russia, but to an entire continental social order. Swept away as well was the Hohenzollern dynasty in Germany, with its stable constitutional monarchy, and the ancient Habsburg dynasty of Austria-Hungary with its multinational central European empire. Europe's leading states shared not only the same Christian and Western cultural foundations, but most of the continent's reigning monarchs were related by blood. England's King George was, through his mother, a first cousin of Tsar Nicholas, and, through his father, a first cousin of Empress Alexandra. Germany's Kaiser Wilhelm was a first cousin of the German-born Alexandra, and a distant cousin of Nicholas.

    More than was the case with the monarchies of western Europe, Russia's Tsar personally symbolized his land and nation. Thus, the murder of the last emperor of a dynasty that had ruled Russia for three centuries not only symbolically presaged the Communist mass slaughter that would claim so many Russian lives in the decades that followed, but was symbolic of the Communist effort to kill the soul and spirit of Russia itself."


    The overlaps with the Bavarian Illuminati who I regard as a mid-level Jesuit op, in all these wars or revolutions, are many and Hamad Subani shows Nazism was an Illuminati effort but I know more about who the true Illuminati are than I see in his good work we covered in threads like The Bavarian Illuminati. Rousseau and Revolution by the eminent historian couple Will and Ariel Durant deserves inspection. I am a supporter of the Enlightenment Experiment which lead to all these changes but I fear people do not know what and who runs their governments. Jefferson supported Weishaupt and owed money to the Rothschilds, and I regard him as a true and good person despite some peccadilloes. Fawn Brodie's book on him truly is an Intimate Portrait. Noam Chomsky knows more about Jefferson than he states in what follows but it is great insight.

    The technocrats or courtesans of Jesuit corporate trade empire in the Americas were to become the cause of internecine Catholic battles and the disbanding of their Order on more than one occasion. Weishaupt formed the Illuminati during one of these periods of disagreement. He had founding fathers including St. Germain (De Medicis), Goethe, William of Hesse who is related to Lord Mountbatten’s family, and Mayer Amschel Rothschild who was working with Professor Oppenheim and who I think is of the family Oppenheimer. John Oppenheimer and I became close friends and he wished to have me manage his south London printing company in the early 80s as the Common Market was about to flourish. The developer of the atom bomb was his cousin and we had a most interesting lunch at the Admiralty Club as my voice was heard to echo and the patrons mouths did drop, as I said Russia was a victim and there was no need of armaments or defenses if truth be known. This was before the Berlin Wall came down and I did explain the economic reasons for my position which I now know was fact a lot more than I was aware at that point in time.

    BAKUNIN AND JEFFERSON:

    There are many ways I can illustrate that Stalin was the CEO of Russia on behalf of the international financiers that include Lord Rothschild who told the Czar he would do what he did. Stalin was a Catholic trained seminarian. Here is Noam Chomsky making a most important connection. Politics has become something totally absurd. We see Mr. Chomsky makes a good case for something quite the opposite of what people call democracy, being in fact, social engineering by elites.

    “A similar move from Stalinist commissar to celebration of America is quite standard in modern history, and it doesn't require much of a shift in values, just a shift in judgment as to where power lies.

    Independently of Jefferson and Bakunin, others were coming to the same understanding in the nineteenth century. One of the leading American intellectuals was Charles Francis Adams, who in 1880 described the rise of what is now called the "post-industrial society" by Daniel Bell and Robert Reich and John Kenneth Galbraith and others. This is 1880, remember. A society in which, Adams says, ‘the future is in the hands of our universities, our schools, our specialists, our scientific men and our writers and those who do the actual work of management in the ideological and economic institutions.’ Nowadays they're called the "technocratic elite" and the "action intellectuals" or the new class or some other similar term. Adams, back in 1880, concluded that ‘the first object of thinking citizens, therefore, should be not to keep one or another political party in power, but to insist on order and submission to law.’ Meaning that the elites should be permitted to function in what's called "technocratic isolation," by the World Bank -- I'm being a little anachronistic here, that's modern lingo -- or, as the London Economist puts the idea today, ‘policy should be insulated from politics.’ That's the case in free Poland, they assure their readers, so they don't have to be concerned about the fact that people are calling for something quite different in free elections. They can do what they like in the elections, but since policy is insulated from politics and technocratic insulation proceeds, it really doesn't matter. That's democracy.

    A decade earlier, in 1870, Adams had warned -- they were worried then about universal suffrage, people were fighting for the right to vote -- he warned that universal suffrage would ‘bring the government of ignorance and vice, with power in the hands of the European and especially Celtic proletariat on the Atlantic coast,’ those horrible Irish people, ‘an African proletariat on the shores of the Gulf and a Chinese proletariat on the Pacific.’ Adams didn't foresee the sophisticated techniques that would be developed in the twentieth century to ensure that policy remains insulated from politics as the franchise was extended through popular struggle and to guarantee that the general public would remain marginalised and disaffected, subdued by the new spirit of the age and coming to see themselves not as free people who have a right to dignity and independence but as atoms of consumption who sell themselves on the labour market, at least when they're lucky.

    Adams was in fact expressing an old idea. Eighty years earlier Alexander Hamilton had put it clearly. He said there was the idea that your people are a great beast {Read Thomas Hobbes and Leviathan} and that the real disease is democracy. That's Hamilton. These ideas have become ever more entrenched in educated circles, as Jefferson's fears and Bakunin's predictions were increasingly realised. The basic attitudes coming into this century were expressed very clearly by Woodrow Wilson's {Which means Col. House} Secretary of State, Robert Lansing, attitudes that led to Wilson's Red Scare, as it was called, which destroyed labour and independent thought for a decade.”
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    The genetics of Stalin included more than one father candidate - does that make him what he was? We all have bastards in our family trees, so Deuteronomy 23 prevents any of us from going to Heaven.

    It may still be an on-going research but Khazars and a core group of elites are involved as you will see. Can I call him a Jew too? Yes, and I can call myself one too - genetically we white people all come from this one area - it is why we are called Caucasians. In my case I have a pretty direct connection to the likes of Robert the Bruce who my father named me after due to a family legend I have proof of for about a decade now. It was a barnyard liaison but he stood by his child and made him the first Baron Baird of Scotland. "BR"is a root to track into the Brutti and with linguistics showing 't' and 'd' through Greek and other language groups being the same we drop vowels and get a very interesting story of Empires including BRiTain and the Brutus you know from Shakespeare. Yes, Rome and Britain along with all their colonies and conquests are what history is made of, and I take it back to Dolni Vestonici and archaeology going back to this very region of the rivers with DN in them. That means almost as long as white people have existed - 30,000 years ago.

    "Stalin belongs to group # 6. His results now show him to be G2a. Family Tree DNA will not have the test for G2a1 available until perhaps October.... Ray is right here. There are a very large number of Gs in the Caucasus, with about 1/3 of Georgia and Azerbaijan being G. I have a feeling based on the limited evidence of a Caucasian clade which is very close to Stalin's haplotype, that many of these will turn out to be G2a.

    Out of hundreds of haplotypes tested in Iberia, only one turned out to G2a, while 28 were G2 (presumably U8*). I think we can now be somewhat confident that G2a is also found among Sephardic Jews, so this may account for the small amount of G2a found in Spain. "


    http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.co...-08/1187309951

    Does this mean my history showing the Iberian corporate emporiae of Phoenicians from Casiberia (Capital of which the name Iberia was just changed as mentioned.) who went to Spain are the original Iberians of Spain and they kept this blood as pure as the nearly one millennia rule there by people we will soon see? The Armenian genocide seems related as well. I take them to Pont or Punt and metal work which was clearly advanced at Dolni Vestonici in 27,000 BCE.

    These knowledgeable geneticists are writing history more than they know. Here is more of it.

    "I'd like to propose that the predominance of G2 (and most likely G2a) in Georgia and the adjacent regions is due to a case of elite dominance - and there is the striking fact that first Armenia, then Alania, and Georgia for 800 - 1100 years was ruled by a single dynasty, the Bagratids.

    For more about this remarkable dynasty, which had a practically unbroken line of male descent during this entire period, (the one queen, Queen Tamar of Georgia married King David of Alania, who was also said to be a Bagratid in the male line) see here:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagratuni_Dynasty (of Armenia)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagrationi_Dynasty (of Georgia)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_...atid_dynasties

    For Bagratid pedigrees in Caucasus, see here:
    http://www.4dw.net/royalark/Georgia/georgia.htm

    Follow the links, and you'll see the Bagratids have many modern descendants.

    It may indeed be true that members of this family were first recorded as early as the year 314 CE.

    This could explain why we don't see that many G2a's in Western Europe, as opposed to the U8* star cluster - which also apparently is present in other regions outside of Europe such as Turkey, Iran, and Central Asia - unlike the Scythians, the Bagratids were not present outside of the Caucasus."


    So where are we in this history? We had the Beaker people and Cerny people along with other waves of people from the Don and Danube region (DNN of Homer and Danaus of Greece and Macedonian Empire) going west through Hallstatt and populating all of Europe when you also know the same people went north and populated what we might call Norse regions including Balts and Slavs or other mixtures of people.

    We have a core group of advanced people with powerful secrets (including copper keels - see Thread) who seem to have stayed put in the Caucasus. They also include Magians from Lake Urmin who went into Egypt and out of Persia to be the Benjaminites. Would an idiot like Stalin know this when Hitler who spent fortunes trying to grasp these roots did not? Truly Stalin would not have known all we now know, but his family legends (like mine) may have motivated him to join his Khazar kin who he later threw to the wolves. THAT is exactly what the Halakah lays out! I am near to certain we know Hitler was a bastard elite Benjaminite even if his grandmother did not get impregnated by Salomon Rothschild. I know Hitler offered to let the Jews go free and move to any place that would have them and I have a rabbi saying this. It did not happen because a Rothschild backed plan to move them to Palestine (Zionism) prevailed. I read the decision was made in Switzerland and Turkey to not allow it to happen. And yes, every nation on Earth had people in high places who knew what was going on in the concentration camps. These elites throw the Ashkenazi (German) Jews to the wolves over and over throughout history going back to at least 1800 BCE and the Hyksos in Egypt but the Stuart Royal historians say they have this history going back 20,000 years. I have connected the dots.

    Gurdjieffians (also a Georgian like Stalin and who was involved in the Revolution) like Idries Shah take the esoteric knowledge and history back 40,000 years to the Altaic Mountains and I could just say - that is the end of the story and refer you to the thread on the Ainu and DNN or the re-invigorating culture of the Indo-Aryan post-meteor hit from 8350 BCE. I have loads in those threads as well as the one on the Phoenicians and other threads. But who are the race we call Chinese or Oriental? What are the roots of knowledge Genghis Khan came from? Gurdjieff (Through General Haushofer who helped Hitler write Mein Kampf) gave the Nazis the adapted Swastika which is a powerful meme and mandala. He also worked for Russia intel. His students Frank Lloyd Wright and Bernard Baruch were partners in a venture called The Oak Island Wrecking and Salvage Company. They also were FDRs shadow government and corrupt profiteers.

    But Stalin almost certainly knew the Bagratides claimed descent from that Merovingian Lineage of David. I also suspect a connection with the Basilidae in Turkey or Ionia, and the Nestorians of Genghis Khan. Both of these Catholic Orders precede Catholicism which he studied in seminary.

    "The Bagrationi (Bagration) Dynasty


    BRIEF HISTORY

    The Bagratides are one of the oldest Royal dynasties on the world, claiming descent from Davit, the biblical hero and slayer of Goliath. The oldest family in the Orthodox Christian world, they established themselves as rulers over Speri (now Ispir), and governors of Samtzkhe and Klarjeti. The Persians appointed members of the family to the office of marzpan (Viceroy) before 628 and the Byzantine Emperors to that of kuropalates in 645. Gaining in power and influence over Kartli, Ashot I become Eristav of Kartli in 809. His great great-grandson, Adarnase II, became King of the Georgians in 888. Different branches of the family held sway over Meshkheti and Javakheti as Pitiakshshs, and over Armenia as Kings.

    King Bagrat III expelled the Turks from the Eastern provinces, threw off his allegience to Constantinople and established his rule over the Abkhazis, Kartvelians, Ranians, Kakhetians and the Armenians, unifying all Georgia. Giorgi III, Bagrati's grandson, was the first to assume the title of Shahanshah (King of Kings) and Master of all the East and West. His reign, and that of his successor, his daughter Thamar the Great, are seen as the 'golden age' of Georgian history, the era of empire, diplomatic success, heroic triumphs at arms against the infidel, great learning, cultural, spiritual, and artistic flowering. However, within two reigns the irrepresible westward advance of Mongol power proved too great."


    http://www.4dw.net/royalark/Georgia/georgia.htm

    Many people say it does not matter if Hitler and Stalin knew these things. They also often say they are not responsible for the acts of their (name the religion) _______ forbears and ancestors. That is totally correct if they are devising new plans and morals to replace the ignorance of their parents who participated in all these wars or games which maintain the status quo of what they erroneously think is democracy and which some people are waking up to realize is Synarchy and dumbocracy.
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    The Asiatic Brethren are a more elite inner sanctum than the Bavarian Illuminati founded by St. Germain who the Martinists claim is one of their lot. (For a history said to exist for 25,000 years.) We know the connection with William of Hesse and St. Germain with the Royals as well as the Rothschilds. You should also know Kabbalah has been part of Masonry in most Lodges since the Pythagoreans if not before. I have addressed what precedes Kabbalah and which had a similar 20,000 year history written in the Senchus Mor in many places.

    "Asiatic Brethren
    ! Origins " First “formally" appeared in 1781 in Vienna
    " Strongest presence in Hungary
    " Influenced by the Gold- und –Rosenkreuzer
    " Only open to Master Masons, from either St. John Lodges (Christian Brethren) or Melchizedek (Jewish Lodges) ! Other Names " Ordo Rotae et Aurea Crucis (Order of the Wheel and Golden Cross) - 1776
    " Order of the Initiated Knights and Brethren of St. John the Evangelist from Asia in Europe - 1780
    " Fratres Lucis {See Lucis Trust once named after Heliopolitanism which the morning star called Lucifer aids in understanding.}
    " Ritter des Lichts"...
    ... What can we, as Freemasons, learn from the Asiatic Brethren? "
    In the Lodge ! Infighting, intolerance, and external condemnation is nothing new and we have seen how destructive it is. We must counter it with Tolerance and Education.
    ! We must be open to new ideas, not validating based on lineage, but rather reviewing the ideas and philosophies on their own merit.
    ! We must guard the West Gate to ensure those seeking admission are truly qualified and the goals of the Order and Lodge are understood and supported.
    ! We must be ready to defend the need for expending effort in study, learning, and knowledge, in the face of "instant gratification“, protecting the key aspects of the Order – its standards, teachings, rituals.


    http://enlightenment198.com/wp-conte...c-Brethren.pdf

    Most Christian pulpit-pounding conspiracy theory NWO types might leave it here. There you have it - Lucifer is Satan and our dreaded foe of our Lord!

    The internecine nature of all esoteric study crosses all borders, class and religion. I have called them a Masonic octopus and they have used symbols like the octopus, spider and Medusa themselves. Be it Rosy or Golden Boys, or Asiatic and Brahmin - all bow to actual knowledge. They will say they are different or believe in some religion or national and royal governing body but when you meet a high level person who recognizes you know more than they do, they become as open and uncertain as you can imagine. They value power and wisdom for sure, but there are ways to get them down off their high horses. I think if they saw something like was attempted with Troubadour and Templar support in the 12th C. of southern Europe (Cathar and Langue D'Occamy) they would again work to the cause of equality, free education and discipline, and any other good initiative.

    Does it cross your mind that Germany benefitted by the Czar seeking to take over land in the Ottoman Empire? Do people like the Kennedy-Onassis Seven Sisters oil development and ARAMCO get benefits from these intrigues? I think de-stabilization of the Mid East has been a major political goal for many millennia.

    History.com brings us an insight into what Laurence of Arabia did and the movie shows. It ties in with what happened to Arab independence and the need to de-stabilize the region in order to make Lord Rothschild happy to have his lesser Jewish German Jews (Ashkenazi) available for future purposes (Read the Halakah).

    "On May 19, 1916, representatives of Great Britain and France secretly reach an accord, known as the Sykes-Picot agreement, by which most of the Arab lands under the rule of the Ottoman Empire are to be divided into British and French spheres of influence with the conclusion of World War I.

    After the war broke out in the summer of 1914, the Allies—Britain, France and Russia—held many discussions regarding the future of the Ottoman Empire, now fighting on the side of Germany and the Central Powers, and its vast expanse of territory in the Middle East, Arabia and southern-central Europe. In March 1915, Britain signed a secret agreement with Russia, whose designs on the empire’s territory had led the Turks to join forces with Germany and Austria-Hungary in 1914. By its terms, Russia would annex the Ottoman capital of Constantinople and retain control of the Dardanelles (the crucially important strait connecting the Black Sea with the Mediterranean) and the Gallipoli peninsula, the target of a major Allied military invasion begun in April 1915. In return, Russia would agree to British claims on other areas of the former Ottoman Empire and central Persia, including the oil-rich region of Mesopotamia.

    More than a year after the agreement with Russia, British and French representatives, Sir Mark Sykes and Francois Georges Picot, authored another secret agreement regarding the future spoils of the Great War. Picot represented a small group determined to secure control of Syria for France; for his part, Sykes raised British demands to balance out influence in the region. The agreement largely neglected to allow for the future growth of Arab nationalism, which at that same moment the British government and military were working to use to their advantage against the Turks.

    In the Sykes-Picot agreement, concluded on May 19, 1916, France and Britain divided up the Arab territories of the former Ottoman Empire into spheres of influence. In its designated sphere, it was agreed, each country shall be allowed to establish such direct or indirect administration or control as they desire and as they may think fit to arrange with the Arab State or Confederation of Arab States. Under Sykes-Picot, the Syrian coast and much of modern-day Lebanon went to France; Britain would take direct control over central and southern Mesopotamia, around the Baghdad and Basra provinces. Palestine would have an international administration, as other Christian powers, namely Russia, held an interest in this region. The rest of the territory in question—a huge area including modern-day Syria, Mosul in northern Iraq, and Jordan—would have local Arab chiefs under French supervision in the north and British in the south. Also, Britain and France would retain free passage and trade in the other’s zone of influence."
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    Byzantine coins of the fourth century AD were found in Chinese Emperors tombs. The Silk Route trade has flourished forever, and we have linguistic connections of Tocharian and Dravidian or South India to confirm this. When I say forever, I mean well over 500,000 years.

    As long as humans could walk they walked over the horizon and learned how to navigate by the heavens, landforms and vegetation. Once domesticated animals were their guides it became easier but when the Great Lop Nor was full of water and not the present day desert it was far easier. There have been cataclysms to reduce population at many times and a rise and fall related to that. But it was easier to travel on land than on water and we know humans reached Flores Island between Indonesia and Australia over 825,000 years ago. Recent evidence in southern China has artifacts dating to 3.4 million years ago. So academics need to wake up and ask questions like these:

    1. Were their many separate evolutionary trees for hominids in various parts of the world.

    2. Did the original genetic material develop before Gondwanaland split too far for humans to get from one place to another. These places include India, Australia and South America - and the original genetic material which may have became humans of different types including the Patagonian Land Giant started over 12 million years ago. Human pubic lice mutated about 1.8 million years ago and the American type might have developed in America on hominids that got there from South Africa when South America was far closer. I have addressed these and other questions to make sense of artifacts galore in a book titled Advanced Man - Before US,

    3. Humans developed breeding methods for animals, grains and other living things at least 15,-000 years ago. It is highly likely it started with humans having fun and enjoying other species or hominids a very long time ago. It is also highly likely that (just like now) sex ritual majik and other knowledge systems began over a million years ago with shamans. I am being very conservative when I say this. Eliade and many others agree.

    4. I suspect the region of the Nestorians and Temujin (who was one and a member of a shamanic family of great antiquity) is important to the most adept Sidhe aka Siddhar in Southern India. These are the people who started making Neanderthal cross breeds leading to both white people and the Denisovan Man found in caves near there. De" or "of" Ainu and DN, I have written many books about. I believe they are related to or the origin of the Magi you read about in the Nativity myth of the three (Three laws of the Magi) who attended the birth of a non-existent Roman character they worked their Magian or Thoth/Hermes intellectual system into via an allegorical code and myth. Manicheans are a later version of this. They had people inside Catholicism in constant contact between China and Rome. William of Rubruck was one such person who discovered the bio-weapon used to infect ghetto dwellers and spread the Plague blaming the Jews around 1300 AD.

    5. The Nestorian elites include the corporate and Royal families who kept many secrets even though they often tried to teach other people how to learn discipline and develop their oneness with WHAT IS and YHVH or the "I am" consciousness within all living energies (nature - per Buddhism and many other indigenous religions throughout time). The Zoroastrians and Magians or Merovingians all - are still worth further investigation.

    In this book you have a Christian proselyte denigrating things he does not even know are part of his own religion. This 'scholar' tells us Buddhists infected Nestorian truths and caused conflicts and misinterpretations.

    Wise Man from the East: Lit-sen Chang (Zhang Lisheng): ...

    https://books.google.ca/books?isbn=1621898156

    Lit-sen Chang, ‎G. Wright Doyle - 2013 - ‎Religion
    Even more lamentable, of the so-called canon of the “nestorians,” some ... in the border area between China, russia, and Mongolia, their religion experienced ...

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    Back and forth through history we must go because history is prologue to the present. Today there is a revival of interest and appreciation for both Stalin and Hitler. I think they were both pawns and the Military-Industrial Complex is still reaping the benefits. Here is a post on a thread with the name Grover Furr.


    Re: Grover Furr: Stalin was demonized

    « Reply #31 on: May 14, 2015, 12:10:44 AM »

    Quote from: Jeremy F Kreuz on May 13, 2015, 09:40:02 AM

    Russia media is also increasingly discussing Stalin - here a article (only in Russian - and mine is not yet good enough to understand/translate fully)

    Миф о Сталине: разоблачение фальсификаций - http://politrussia.com/istoriya/meny...li-nuzhen-456/
    (The Stalin Myth: dispelling falsifications)



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    Right now about 52% of Russians have a positive opinion of Stalin, while only 30% a negative one. The article points out that USSR's population actually grew considerably during the Stalin era (no mean feat, considering the damage wrought by WW2), as compared to the decrease during the "liberal" rule of the 1990s. Moreover, even at the height of the Purges, a smaller proportion of USSR's population were repressed than are imprisoned in the United States today. That Stalin presided over a tremendous developmental leap forward goes without saying.


    In the process of reading it, at the economy chapter right now. I think that's not the best sign they get their data from "Наука" (Wiki.ru) / Nauka (publisher) - I'm pretty sure it was full of propaganda data back in the 1970s.

    To get an idea about the mystery behind that 'economic boom', I recommend Sutton's summary:

    _http://mailstar.net/sutton.html
    ((1) Sutton's Conclusions to his Trilogy; Antony C. Sutton, Western Technology and Soviet Economic Development 1945 to 1965)

    In the 1970's(!) Sutton wrote a well documented trilogy on Western involvement in Soviet economy in the years 1917-1965. The three volumes of over 500 pages each can be found here:
    _http://peswiki.com/index.php/Site:LRP:Western_Technology_%26_Soviet_Economic_De velopment
    but to have an idea just read the conclusions linked above. I'm not sure Stalin deserves full credits for that boom. And the price was 1) paying mostly with raw materials and 2) complete dependence on the West.

    And add to it the German-Soviet credit agreement of August 19, 1939, signed just 4 days before the M-R Pact:
    _http://www.persee.fr/web/revues/home/prescript/article/cmr_1252-6576_1995_num_36_1_2425


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    Between the political arrangement of August 1939 and the German attack on June 1941, economic relations between the two states had increased in an extraordinary way on the basis of the credit agreement of August 19, 1939, and the two economic contracts of February 11, 1940, and January 10, 1941. While in 1939 the German- Soviet trade capacity of 61 million RM hit the low of the time between the two world wars, it rose to a total turnover of 600 million RM in 1940 and reached a peak of about 425 million RM in the first half of 1941. ...

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    I have started another thread which carries the subject forward and into a different genre or focus. It is on Anthony Sutton but you should also read the thread on Churchill as well as other threads on Hitler, the HUAC and McCarthyism and Protocols etc. There are many overlaps to be certain.

    Anthony Sutton

    Along with Professor Quigley and Mullins and through quotes in Jim Marrs work I have seen a lot from Sutton. I have not read a complete book of his, so I might be allowed to make a few mistakes, hopefully. At the bottom of this quote we find he was onto Jean Lafitte who I turned Jim Marrs onto. I do not know if Sutton got it from Marrs and it does not matter. I know it is all over the web now but it was not when I started spreading it over ten years ago. I had seen a connection between Lafitte and the Rothschilds in the early 1980s but I will allow Sutton was onto these things around the same time, yet I do not know if he knew Lafitte was a Sephardic Jew, alchemist and multi-nation spy. In fact I know very little about what Sutton knew as I said.

    Commentary on Antony C. Sutton
    by Leslie R. Pastor


    Antony Cyril Sutton confided in me that he was 1/16th Jewish. (Leslie R. Pastor)



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    ◾Anthony Sutton's Defence of Judeo-Bolshevism: A Rebuttal (Part I) Semitic Controversies A Daily Blog about Jews and Judaism.
    ◾Anthony Sutton's Defence of Judeo-Bolshevism: A Rebuttal (Part II) Semitic Controversies A Daily Blog about Jews and Judaism.
    ◾Behind Communism - Judaism The National Conscience the great National Revival requires Total Resistance
    ◾Semitic Controversies 2008 Issue Ebook & Text
    ◾200 Years Together: Russo-Jewish History, by Alexander SolzhenitsynCensored History of Jewish Atrocites Against Russians within Russia
    ◾Books by Col Donn de Grand Pré America First Books
    ◾The Jews Are A Race - Not A Religion Incog Man
    ◾The Invention of the Jewish People Shlomo Sand {His work confirms some of mine. There is more proof coming in from archaeology and DNA every other day.}

    Antony C. Sutton's revelation regarding the funding of Karl Marx {And Engel's with a connection no one has yet made to Dupont in Nemours where they met close by and which had a commune.} work: 'The Communist Manifesto' by Philadelphia Bankers comes from an interesting and significant source: "The evidence for this twist in modern history has been ignored by modern historians although the documents authenticated by Library of Congress and other sources have been available for some 30 years."

    "It is extraordinary that the first academics to report this source of financing for Marx were writing in French, not English! It was a French book by Georges Blond entitled: "Histoire de la Filibuste" that contains the remarkable story of Karl Marx as a friend of a Jean Laffite the pirate who "financed the printing of the Manifesto of the Communist Party." Where did Blond get his information? It originated in two (2) privately printed books published in New Orleans by Stanley Clisby Arthur, "Jean Laffite, The Gentleman Rover" and "The Journal of Jean Laffite." These two (2) books contain original documents describing meetings between Marx and Laffite and the method used to finance the Manifesto."

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