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    The Gurkhas

    Who can say which nation has the proudest heritage in terms of fighters in the field of battle? The guerilla fighter in most instances will ring up a lot more kills than the people who march into the fire in silly wars where life has meant nothing. I say a lot depends on the quality of leadership and the resultant esprit de corps. However, that may be the Gurkhas have performed at the top of the heap for a long time. How long, we do not know. The mountains are easy to defend and hard to win if you are the invader. Nepal has a proximity to the Khyber Pass where many millennia of invaders have not succeeded. The Afghan people have shown us this even with our superior weapons for many decades now.

    Unfortunately the British Army has done more of the weasel's game they used to do to all of their fighters, they are not paying the same pensions to their Gurkhas who fought better than any because they fought for family pride more than the insanity of any British cause. They beat the Brits soundly when the British tried to take them on about two hundred years ago. My father used to tell me how they would sneak into the camp of the enemy and slit the throat of soldiers and leave many alive who knew their life was only theirs because the Gurkhas were going to get them in the ensuing few days. If you saw every third or fourth man with his lifeless body lying next to you when you woke up you might have difficulty sleeping for a week or so, and then it would be your regiment's turn again, and pretty soon it would be difficult for any of your comrades to want to continue believing in the cause of colonialism based on some superior race crap - wouldn't it?

    "The potential of these warriors was first realised by the British at the height of their empire-building in the last century.

    The Victorians identified them as a "martial race", perceiving in them particularly masculine qualities of toughness.


    Bravest of the brave, most generous of the generous, never had a country more faithful friends than you
    Sir Ralph Turner MC, 3rd Queen Alexandra's Own Gurkha Rifles, 1931

    After suffering heavy casualties in the invasion of Nepal, the British East India Company signed a hasty peace deal in 1815, which also allowed it to recruit from the ranks of the former enemy.

    Following the partition of India in 1947, an agreement between Nepal, India and Britain meant four Gurkha regiments from the Indian army were transferred to the British Army, eventually becoming the Gurkha Brigade.

    Since then, the Gurkhas have loyally fought for the British all over the world, receiving 13 Victoria Crosses between them.

    More than 200,000 fought in the two world wars, and in the past 50 years they have served in Hong Kong, Malaysia, Borneo, Cyprus, the Falklands, Kosovo and now in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    They serve in a variety of roles, mainly in the infantry but with significant numbers of engineers, logisticians and signals specialists.

    The name "Gurkha" comes from the hill town of Gorkha from which the Nepalese kingdom had expanded.

    The ranks have always been dominated by four ethnic groups, the Gurungs and Magars from central Nepal, the Rais and Limbus from the east, who live in villages of impoverished hill farmers.

    They keep to their Nepalese customs and beliefs, and the brigade follows religious festivals such as Dashain, in which - in Nepal, not the UK - goats and buffaloes are sacrificed.

    Actress Joanna Lumley has been the public face of the campaign on behalf of the Gurkhas

    But their numbers have been sharply reduced from a World War II peak of 112,000 men, and now stand at about 3,500.

    During the two world wars 43,000 men lost their lives.

    The Gurkhas are now based at Shorncliffe near Folkestone, Kent - but they do not become British citizens.

    The soldiers are still selected from young men living in the hills of Nepal - with about 28,000 youths tackling the selection procedure for just over 200 places each year.

    The selection process has been described as one of the toughest in the world and is fiercely contested.

    Young hopefuls have to run uphill for 40 minutes carrying a wicker basket on their back filled with rocks weighing 70lbs.


    They are tough, they are brave, they are durable, they are amenable to discipline.
    Tony Gould, Historian

    Prince Harry lived with a Gurkha battalion during his 10 weeks in Afghanistan.

    There is said to be a cultural affinity between Gurkhas and the Afghan people which is beneficial to the British Army effort there.

    Historian Tony Gould said Gurkhas have brought an excellent combination of qualities from a military point of view.

    He said: "They are tough, they are brave, they are durable, they are amenable to discipline.

    "They have another quality which you could say some British regiments had in the past, but it's doubtful that they have now, that is a strong family tradition.

    "So that within each battalion there were usually very, very close family links, so when they were fighting, they were not so much fighting for their officers or the cause but for their friends and family."

    Historically, Gurkhas who had served their time in the Army - a maximum of 30 years, and a minimum of 15 to secure a pension - were discharged back to Nepal.

    Pension battle

    But last year, all retired Gurkhas won the right to live in the UK, following a high-profile campaign led by actress Joanna Lumley, whose father served with the 6th Gurkha Rifles.

    Gurkha veterans have also continued to fight for equal pensions with the soldiers they served alongside.

    In 2007, they won a partial victory when pension rules were changed to give serving Gurkha soldiers equal pension rights with other service personnel in the UK.

    But the British Gurkha Welfare Society said about 25,000 men who had retired before 1 July 1997 were denied the opportunity to transfer into UK armed forces pension schemes.

    It said the government had acted unlawfully by paying them a third of the income of UK-based soldiers, and vowed to fight on.

    A High Court test case in January 2010 ruled in favour of the Ministry of Defence, which argued the pension cut-off date was "justified and proportionate".

    That decision has since been challenged by the Gurkhas, who have taken their battle to the Court of Appeal."


    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-10782099

    I think the Magars are the Aryans of Arjuna in the Gita who came south when their Black Sea homeland was inundated around 5300 BPE. It is not just the similar name to the Magyars that makes me say that. The official colonial cover-up says Arjuna only came about 1500 BPE because (as Indian or Bharat scholars know) it serves colonial Empire builders and their propaganda well - to diminish their enemy.

    http://magarsage.blogspot.ca/p/history-of-magar.html
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    In what follows I ask the reader to consider references to longest enduring people of the north (Tying in with Arjuna and the Gita) the word Bhara (like Bharat) and the Language of the Gods. It is stated simply that they are Mongoloid which is Ainu! And the origin of the Magyars are the Huns of this same region or the Steppes or DNN.

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    Brief History of Magars in Nepal(with 1st Boxer of Nepal Dal Bdr Rana from Arkhale,Gulmi)

    HISTORY OF MAGARS IN NEPAL (with first boxer of nepal Dal Bahadur Rana from Arkhale, Gulmi)

    -Mahesh Thapa Magar(avi)

    Origin

    Genetically and physically, Magar people are Mongoloid/east Asian. They are believed to have migrated from Tibet like the Gurungs and other prominent ethnic groups, however, there is an interesting mythical story describing Magar's origins and versions of three different language groups are presented.

    The Magar of the Bara Magaranth (a group of twelve Magar kingdoms east of the Gandaki River) are said to have originated in the land of Seem. Two brothers, See Magar and Chintoo Magar, fought, and one remained in Seem, while the other left, ending up in Kangwachen in southern Sikkim. The Bhutia people lived at the northern end of this region. Over time, the Magars became very powerful and made the northern Bhutia their vassals. Sintoo Sati Sheng ruled in a very despotic manner, and the Bhutia conspired to assassinate him. Sheng's queen took revenge and poisoned 1,000 Bhutia people at a place now called Tong Song Fong, meaning "where a thousand were murdered". The Bhutia later drove the Magar out, forcing them to again migrate further south. As part of this migration, one group migrated to Simrongadh, one group moved towards the Okhaldhunga region, and another group seems to have returned to the east. No dates are given.

    A second Magar federation called Ather Magarat (18 Magar Kingdoms) was situated west of the Gandaki River, inhabited by Kham Magar. The origin legend of this group is that four brothers got lost while hunting. They camped overnight and from the distribution of chores rose the various jats or tribes. The first tribe was the Bahun Magar (the eldest brother's tribe), then came the Thakuri Magar (the second eldest brother), then the Khas Magar (the third brother), and lastly the Kami Magar (the youngest brother).

    The Tarali Magar are said to have originated from a woman who fled the region of Jumla during a war between Kalyal kings. It is not known who her spouse, was but she arrived at Tarakot on the verge of giving birth to a son. One day the boy saw a strange phenomenon in the jungle lake where he went with his cattle. Lhe lake is said to have filled with milk, and seven shining creatures, like fairies, were bathing in the waters of the lake. He was enthralled and came to observe them daily. One day he told his mother about this strange sight, and she advised him to touch the youngest of these angels; this would cause her to become human so he could marry her, and he brought the beautiful damsel to his mother. When they asked her who she was she replied in an unknown tongue which was incomprehensible for them. The devi was offered some bread, and she uttered the words, "Tai khe nan." Slowly they began to learn the language of this woman, and Kaike was spread among themselves. The language was called "Kaike", meaning "language of the Gods".

    History

    The group was first mentioned in AD 1100, when the Magar King of Palpa and Butwal, Mukunda Sen, invaded and conquered the Nepal (Kathmandu) valley. It is always understood, however, that they have resided around Palpa from time immemorial and that they were probably the earliest settlers from the north. This part of the country was formerly divided into twelve districts, each under its own ruler, being known as the Barah, or twelve Magarant or twelve Thams, the members of each supposedly being of common extraction in the male line. Some records show these twelve areas as being Argha, Gulmi, Isma, Musikot, Khanchi, Ghiring, Rising, Bhirkot, Payung, Garhung, Dhor and Satung. However, it is probable that some of the latter places should have been excluded in favour of Palpa, Galkot, Dhurkot, Char Hajar, Parbat, and even Piuthan and Salyan.

    The Magars of middle and western Nepal played a role in Nepal's formative history. Their kingdom was one of the strongest of west Nepal in and around Palpa District during the time of the 22 and 24 rajya principalities (17th and early 18th centuries). Hamilton, during his research in Nepal in 1802, came to a conclusion that all the kings of 24 principalities, including Sen King of Palpa in western Nepal, were Magars. Magars believe that they and the Thakuris have the same origins. Many of the Magar aristocracy joined the Thakuri caste and status. In recent years, many scholars and historians have claimed that Nepal's former Shah rulers were the descendants of Magar kings of the Barah Magarath/Kali Gandaki region. The 18th-century king, Prithvi Narayan Shah, the founder of the modern Kingdom of Nepal announced himself a Magar king. According to Hamilton, Mincha and Khancha Khan, the forefathers of former Shah kings of Nepal, were of Magar descent Baburam Acharya, a prominent historian of Nepal, also confirmed that Nepal's former Shah kings were the descendents of Magar kings

    Many prominent historians of Nepal have claimed that Aramudi, an eighth century ruler of the Kali Gandaki region, was a Magar King. "Aramudi" derives from the word for 'river' in the Magar language 'Ari'-'Source of Water' + 'Modi'-'River'='Arimodi' or 'Aramudi', thus the literal meaning of Aramudi is 'source of river'. Jayapida [782-813 AD] also called Vinayaditta, a king of Kashmir, invaded Kali Gandaki Region, a traditional homeland of the Magars of Nepal. Aramudi resisted the invasion. After capture by Aramudi, Vinayaditta was taken to the right banks of the Kali Gandaki river, in a strongly built fort, where Aramudi imprisoned him. Jayapida was a powerful king of Kashmir who ruled for 31 years and defeated the kings of Kanyakubja (Kannauj), and Prayag/Allahabad in Utter Pradesh, India. He was in a conquering expedition to the valley of the Ganges."


    http://gulmimgrsangh.blogspot.ca/201...-in-nepal.html
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    This is more definitive in terms of connecting all the people I am referring to, of course the movements of "the people" (Tuatha) is hard to pinpoint to exact dates over many millennia of coming and going.

    There are many scholars in India who know their history recorded in the Mahabharata is far more ancient than the colonial forces (Britain mostly) have allowed. What follows takes Arjuna back to an era before 4500 BCE which some of those scholars I have quoted in my books seek to say. Notice also the name of India (Bharat) in this epic book. Baird is Bharat and BRD, tel-ta and del-ta are the same symbol in early scripts, 'h' is an aspirant not even in many vowelless scripts.

    The Cabiri in Italy around 2000 BCE made plaids and lozenge weaving materials which Elizabeth Wayland-Barber studied before going to Urumchi or what once was the original Mediterranean before the Mediterranean we now know was created with the glacial melt. The Malta designs are Osirian or Phoenician Keltoi as I see it. Maybe Gene would agree with me now that DNA has shown the Ainu all over the Pacific and we have over 500,000 year old art in Indonesia and the 825,000 year old artifacts nearby on Flores Island.

    Gene Matlock and I cross paths and use many of the same sources. His history of the Phoenicians coming from the region of Northern India makes some sense in the era when the glaciers forced people south and when the great cataclysm of 8350 BCE took place. I will stay with the Caucasus to Gimbutas region including Dolni Vestonici and look further into history for even earlier civilizing forces such as the Ainu. DNA has been kind to me.

    "... the Phoenicians themselves claimed to have been civilized since about 30,000 BC.

    The history of the fathers of all non-Africanoid humanity, a.k.a., Scythians, and all civilizations began only "God-knows-when" in the Khyber Mountain region of Afghanistan and Pakistan. In those days, the country we call India stretched from Alaska, down through Siberia, Russia, all of Central Asia, all of what we now call "India," as far as Antarctica. The Bible states that the world began in about 5,000 BC. That myth confuses and misdirects scholars, leading them into serious errors, for the Phoenicians themselves claimed to have been civilized since about 30,000 BC.

    In 1904, Jogendra Mohon Gupta, wrote an essay in which he thoroughly described his hypothesis that the Phoenicians were the fathers of all world civilizations: ....

    There is yet another important view in which the Khaiberi are to be considered. They are the ... Hebrews.


    Pococke also states:


    Behold now the simple fact: The Cabeiri are the Khyberi, or people of the Khyber ... The Cabeiri are ... Cuvera, the Hindoo god of wealth and regent of the North, - that is, in simple language, the Kyber; it's region is wealthy and abounds with rubies; gold is found in the rivers in its vicinity, and it was likewise the ruling northern power in those days ... There is yet another important view in which the Khaiberi are to be considered. They are the Khebrew-i, or Hebrews.

    ... We have, then, in the Cabeiri, the representatives of a form of Bud-histic worship and Bud'histic chiefs, extending from the Logurh district (Locri) to Cashmir, the object of worship of the Hya (Yah), and the Phoenician race, for they are but one. They are the Khebrew-i, or Hebrews ... The tribe of Yudah (Judah) is in fact the very Yadu (Yadava) ... The people of God were literally taken out from amongst the other tribes, to be especially sanctified for the moral and religious generation of mankind.

    Hence it is, that among the Greek writers of antiquity such a stress is always laid on the piety of the "Hyperboreans," that is the people of Khaiber, or the Hebrews ... I have no doubt whatever, that the northern limits of Afghanistan will be demonstrated to be the starting point of these two great families of language, and consequently of nations. The Afghans have claimed descent from the Jews, or Ioudaioi (Youdai-oi); the reverse is the case. The Haibrews or Khaibrews, are descended from the Yadoos. In that very land of the Yadoos, or Afghans - Dan and Gad, still remain of the feeble remnants of Jewish antiquity. (pp. 220-221, in passim.)
    Mystics, astrologers, and New Agers like to make much of these "Gemini Twins." However, nothing "magical" or "Outer-Spacey" turned them into deities. Having learned the movements of ocean currents, prevailing winds, and the like, they were able to touch the shores of every country on the globe. Every single tribe and nation on earth, even the most savage tribes living in the most impenetrable jungles, came to know about the "Gemini Twins" - or should I say, Cyber-Twins?

    Their Sanskrit names, Pani (Trader) and Yuddhi (Warrior; Conqueror), clearly explain the part that each Hebraic clan had to play in this historic relationship.

    In those remotest of times, places like Afghanistan weren't so barren and hostile to human life as they are now. The area was exceedingly fertile. As time went by, the Khyberis or Kheebers came to own all the arable land, creating vast feudal estates. Although their religion preached that mankind should be humanitarian, they became selfish and cruel to landless peasants and nomads. As their wealth in land and cattle grew, the nomads or Abels (not cattle), had less and less free space to graze their sheep and goats. Finally, the Khybers and the Abels began to make war on each other. Little by little, the Abels were absorbed into the feudal system as slaves. An enlightened king of the time, whom we now worship as Yahve or Jehovah, intervened in order to prevent a ghastly genocide. He ordered the settled Ganaana (Canaanites or Kheeberis) to quit monopolizing all the land and look for other ways to get rich, such as trading. Many of the Kheeberis, both traders and farmers, spread out, going down to what is now Rajasthan, Gujarat, Maharasthra, and other parts of Western India. On the Western coast of Northern India, they built shipyards and started making trading expeditions abroad. Their Sanskrit names, Pani (Trader) and Yuddhi (Warrior; Conqueror), clearly explain the part that each Hebraic clan had to play in this historic relationship."

    http://www.viewzone.com/phoenician.html
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    Although there might not be as much of a connection between the Gypsies, Tamils and Gurkhas as this history suggests (with the Ainu) I look forward to further DNA study on these peoples.

    By studying one nation or people we often miss what is behind many nations and how connected we all truly are, in every way.

    The region we call Turkey today was important before the Black Sea was created in 5300 BCE. We have Catal Hayuk, Catal Alicia, Gobekli Tepi and Smyrna archaeology to attest to these statements. What archaeology finds in the era just after the great meteor hit in 8350 BCE will reflect a lot less on what was there or elsewhere in the world before the millennia or more of nuclear winter and tidal waves destruction which occurred as a result of the earthquakes, volcanoes and diseases which followed that event.

    Although there was no Noah's Ark of such proportion as Ron Wyatt or other myth-making money-grubbing liars tell us, it is entirely possible that the people went to the mountains to survive the early cataclysm mentioned. So it is interesting to see some artifacts might exist on the mythical Mr. Ararat. The other interesting event which history recounts in the Mahabharata (Which includes my clan name Bharat or BRD - as I have detailed in translation.) sees men of the north coming into the sub-continent and waging war or immigrating to their emporiae and colonies. Was this when the Black Sea event occurred as many Indian scholars say? I am certain it was not when the European colonial forces in history say it was (1500 BCE is a Trojan War era event and can be connected thereto.). But it is possible all three dates had such northern incursions and that is my preferred explanation.

    The other area of great involvement in all of this is the Taklamakand Desert, Urumchi, Altaic Mountain region (and other names) which Clyde Winters linguistically shows is connected to India (Bharat) through trade in the early eras and I show is connected to Troy from the book Mummies of Urumchi. It is a likely location for the Hindu motherland location called Mt. Meru. That connects with Harappa to Dwarka and every one of these events as well. Gene Matlock explains Dwarka, Mohenjo, Ilavarta or Harappa as a Phoenician origin and colonizing area which I agree it is, but I say the Ainu predate his Phoenicians and I go back even before there were white people in my explanations. I use different but connected linguistics and archaeology, it does not matter which of us is right. No doubt there is much more proof to be found and satellite imaging systems have already found a lot on the Silk Roads and near Angkor Wat which does connect. DNA is my greatest support now, and I expect more will come to show the important connections between Ainu who we now know colonized the whole Pacific including the Americas; and what Churchward called Mu (not a separate continent) and Mayax.

    Rongorongo connects Easter Island, Nazca and Magan regions of Northern India or the Persian Gulf. All of these are DNA proven places of Ainu travel with their red heads. That last part is not yet, DNA proven - but the red heads were in those places with the Ainu and despite what the Bible says about aliens and Nephilim I have a more realistic human explanation.

    Sutton and his book showing the connection between Hitler and Rothschild bankers is quoted by racist haters who do not know the Rothschilds prey on Jews and have for at least five millennia and they wrote the Bible to give themselves the monopoly on usury and share other money with their elite friends. One of the clans they are friends with are the Merovingian Sea people who include Onassis's family in Smyrna and the monopoly they had in shipping and drugs since the era of the Anatolian Blue Lotus. Their Kabbalah and the earlier Qabala can be seen in every part of the world with the Tree of Life having Cosmic Fire on top and Cosmic Ice down below. Knowledge began before languages so do not limit the Qabala or Verbal Tradition in time or era.

    These racist haters will never learn or read the Halakah which establishes the hierarchy and who can (by law) do what to whom. Some are beginning to see how almost every genocide is attributable to elites except the ones their sometimes friends do to them. The Cathar era is a study in Hegelian play, and Rome or Empire, to beat any moral person to a near death state. But few study it anyway. Elite management is preferable to corrupt fools though they have tried many times to re-build Brotherhood they have suffered mightily for it. Yes, the elites were behind such efforts as the Enlightenment Experiment, Cathars, Gracchi, Asoka and more. The unenlightened built fires for them and their children.

    The Kabbalah is important in that it explains a little of the Donmeh connection in Anatolia which can also be connected to what happened recently in the Balkans which the Bogomil/Cathars. What the Bible thumper calls the opposite of God's intentions requires psychiatric analysis but suffice it to say, yes, there is some truth in it too. Kabbalists do utilize forces we all can use if we would study, and they have been part of every major religion, I ask you to see the work of Malachi Martin who consulted on it for three Popes of the 20th Century. The saying "History repeats" is true and perhaps we all need to stop that - will eating cucumbers have to stop too - I like them even if they do also repeat on a sour stomach. Can we ever learn?

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