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    Vincent and Henri

    When I began asking questions I saw so much more to learn. I enjoy that still. But I do not need my ZEN and now I am free to take the PATH. I could advise the young 'grasshopper' about very little except to open his eyes much less than his ears (to people).

    I can say I want to know what he sees with so little of the war and the wages I have paid in the war to be all I can BE! I can hope he will ask why I was so stupid when he hears me recount so many things.

    Starry, starry night.
    Paint your palette blue and grey,
    Look out on a summer's day,
    With eyes that know the darkness in my soul.
    Shadows on the hills,
    Sketch the trees and the daffodils,
    Catch the breeze and the winter chills,
    In colors on the snowy linen land.
    Now I understand
    ...what you tried to say to me

    how you suffered for your sanity
    how you tried to set them free.
    They would not listen
    they did not know how

    perhaps they'll listen now.

    The singing and ringing of a tune in my head

    In truth the words I seldom have read

    No matter to me they rang in my heart

    I never will know of his greatest art

    WHAT are friends?

    We wander the streets of Paris or Rome
    Never to ever call one our true home
    Life flutters past and breaches the walls
    We build to keep pain away we're not so tall
    The bright colors shone out on dresses and grain
    Alive all they shared was drink, in the main

    Leaving the castle where his legs were made short,
    ............ was not easy for Henri to court.

    His loving mother wanted nothing of the sort
    His first real love embellished his pain
    He could not listen to his mother's refrain
    She told him a woman would see him as tall
    His father was always out in the horse stall

    At the end of their lives they knew more than pain
    I can never be certain of what we have gained
    One thing I know --- they truly became
    Great loving people and my heroes too
    I think of them often whenever I'm blue.

    It makes me aware though I am quite big
    Of life, and how much I cannot have achieved
    But I have continued to honor the twig
    With paint on the end, a life not bereaved.

    Henri said he could not paint the fields of his beautiful countryside when his mother pleaded for him to come home when he was suicidal after losing the woman who taught him carnal love. He could only feel so much and his mind processed and synthesized philosophies beyond those of his compatriots who thought they were high class or those who really cared for him at the Moulin Rouge. He said Van Gogh could startle people into seeing such depth of light but he was a common worker of night.

    The movie by John Houston and the man who played Lautrec was sublime. Jose Ferrer had owned the rights to the book before Houston made him a pitch of how to make Lautrec's art come to life. It might be the greatest monument to art the artist can have. Even when moments in the movie had none of his art it had the streets, people and buildings presented as if they were art. One gets the same feeling watching Kirk Douglas and Anthony Quinn feel so much life in every moment. People say an artist needs to be this fragile and energized or depressed. I say what Lautrec said about Da Vinci's Mona Lisa is truer, he said Da Vinci's payment was in the creation of the art. It did not matter to Van Gogh or Henri what money came into their life, Van Gogh never got any and Henri was the first living artist to be exhibited in the Louvre. His father screamed his forgiveness for not having realized his true artistry, into his departing soul. Henri cared for every person deeply and did not let any ever again get close enough to let him believe he could trust their love. I have felt all these things and I am satisfied with the Mysteries of LIFE!

    When he finally met a woman who could love him for how much he cared for all things rather than the money and status she was being offered because of her beauty; he was hurt so deeply he drank himself to death, after he rejected her love. Did Vincent cut off his ear to feel this much pain? Did he ever love this way?

    What IS art?

    Our whole life is a canvas and our purpose the paint
    Whenever our soul realizes or reaches it we faint

    Every atom becomes full of the purpose beyond simple self
    ................ and orgasmic comprehension.
    My words fruitless, my mindless expression
    Compassion, it rages and rumbles so fiercely, I stumble
    Tripped up in pursuit of something which only can crumble.

    Art is creation and needs no acclaim,
    but when that's given in truth we remain

    what greater LOVE?

    I say on that "Starry, starry night" Vincent gave more love to us than we could accept and in some sick way it is us who suffered the depression or bi-polar condition he is now said to have suffered. It is our guilt in knowing our culpability that drives the prices of his art so high. It makes me cry when I sing that song even though I never really remember the words because to remember would steal the next moment of listening and feeling!
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    "Starry, starry night.
    Flaming flowers that brightly blaze, Swirling clouds in violet haze,
    Reflect in Vincent's eyes of china blue.
    Colors changing hue, morning field of amber grain,
    Weathered faces lined in pain,
    Are soothed beneath the artist's loving hand. (This is Van Gogh's tragic Death. Even though he loved painting, his paintings could never love him back.)

    (Van Gogh attempted suicide by shooting himself in the chest, which ultimately led to his death two days later.)
    For they could not love you,
    But still your love was true.
    And when no hope was left in sight
    On that starry, starry night,
    You took your life, as lovers often do.
    But I could have told you, Vincent,
    This world was never meant for one
    As beautiful as you. (Van Gogh's artistic legacy is contained within his paintings, drawings and writings. They are everlasting and will never "forget" the style that created them. They are Van Gogh's eyes that watch the world. This is all metaphorically speaking though.)
    Starry, starry night.
    Portraits hung in empty halls,
    Frameless head on nameless walls,
    With eyes that watch the world and can't forget.
    Like the strangers that you've met,
    The ragged men in the ragged clothes,
    The silver thorn of bloody rose,
    Lie crushed and broken on the virgin snow. (Finally we come to the conclusion of realizing Van Gogh's eternal struggle.)
    Now I think I know what you tried to say to me,
    How you suffered for your sanity,
    How you tried to set them free.
    They would not listen, they're not listening still.
    Perhaps they never will...


    I guess each of us sees art in a different light. I see this comment of theirs as a projection of their own inadequacy, I say Vincent was indeed in a loving relationship with his painting in ways I have felt but in ways deeper than I likely can feel - unless I can fully achieve all I could BE! My life is Tragic if I do not try as he did, to really, really LOVE! I will leave it to you to guess what I think of their other comments. The name of the movie about his life is Lust for Life and Don McLean surely gave us that feeling. His paintings loved him more than his friends but maybe he needed too much.

    This is Van Gogh's tragic Death. Even though he loved painting, his paintings could never love him back. Love!!

    Hey what! You here, dear fellow! You, in a house of ill fame? You, the drinker of quintessences! You, the ambrosia eater? Really, this takes me by surprise.
    (Charles Baudelaire, "Loss of Halo," Petits Poèmes en prose)

    But it is precisely modernity that is always quoting primeval history. This happens through the ambiguity attending the social relationships and products of this epoch. Ambiguity is the pictorial image of dialectics, the law of dialectics seen at a standstill. This standstill is utopia and the dialectical image therefore a dream image. Such an image is presented by the pure commodity: as fetish. Such an image are the arcades, which are both house and stars. Such an image is the prostitute, who is saleswoman and wares in one.
    (Walter Benjamin, Reflections, 157)
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    Picasso was influenced by the color in Toulouse-Lautrec's palette and his influence on all art is a pretty awesome thing to be sure. Picasso also liked to drink a lot. His bar bill at the end of most nights was paid with a quick sketch, and even those hundreds of thousands of scribbles (I do not know how many) fetch big bucks today.

    In what follows I wonder if his baby bellow was at the cigar smoke or all those saints in his name. I am kidding a little, he was not one to follow or fool-owe religion, but his god within was a guiding spirit.

    "Pablo Diego Jose Francisco de Paula Juan Nepomuceno Maria de los Remedios Cipriano de la Santisima Trinidad Martyr Patricio Clito Ruiz y Picasso was born to Don Jose Ruiz y Blasco and Maria Picasso y Lopez in Malaga, Spain on 25th October 1881, and was baptised with a series of names honouring different saints and relatives. Picasso had a difficult birth, and when he was finally born, the midwife thought that he was stillborn and left him on the table to attend to his mother. However, his uncle, a doctor called Don Salvador saved his life by blowing cigar smoke into his face. Picasso had later said that he immediately reacted to this with a grimace and a bellow of fury! The family had two other children – Dolores (Lola) and Concepcion (Conchita).

    Picasso showed artistic talent at a very early age, his mother had said that his first words were “piz, piz” a shortened form of the Spanish word “lapiz” meaning pencil. His father, Ruiz, was descended from minor aristocrats and spent most of his life as a professor of art at the School of Crafts, a curator of a local museum and was also a painter who specialised in naturalistic paintings of bird and game. Pablo Picasso’s earliest known drawings were of pigeons, full length pictures and sketches of Hercules and bullfights (which his father took him to)."

    I may never get to visit "Barth- alona" and I seldom if ever drink so I doubt I would Barf if I went. Picasso had many muses and much to learn in his native lands as you can see in Titian and Gaudi.

    Gaudi and Salvador Dali lead inexorably to Cathars and Catalan so I created a new thread with an understanding article on Catalan. There is so much going on in the world today including the Arab Spring which is a result of the Roman destruction of knowledge about the Phoenician Brotherhood. I cannot say if the Cathars who were lead into the fires set by Catholics while they sang hymns to the living love of Jesus, would like what is happening today. I don't see anything happening which will stop the inevitable major conflagration including dirty bombs and viral agents of massive destructive power. Thus I welcome the wireless implants being readied by 2020.
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    In a thousand years Van Gogh will still inspire humanity to greater insights, even if we never really understand him. I find the hawking of imitators fine as it is, the idea that one copies another is well established in style but you can go too far down that road as we see.

    "impressionists and post impressionists of Vincent's time influenced him greatly after he moved to Paris in 1886. The bright new palette reigned heavily over Gogh's previous dark muted color scheme. Van Gogh's use of this new impressionist and post impressionist style altered not only his work, but also all of art history.

    One particular artist is leading the contemporary impressionists in an effort to become "America's Vincent van Gogh"... Stefan Duncan! Duncan's amazing work is a plethora of brilliant colors tossed about in a whimsical style he calls Squigglism. Having been greatly influenced by Vincent van Gogh, Stefan utilizes this updated technique to draw the quick strokes of the impressionists into long curvy lines. These tight eddies of color dance around his paintings lighting every feature with beauty! It is this very beauty that Stefan strives to capture in all of his work; revealing the divine in nature!

    Visit Stefan Duncan's Website to view all of his Beautiful Work!

    Stefan's work continues to amaze us and it gives us great pleasure to be able to show it to the rest of the world. Each painting is Neo-Gogh while still presenting the signature style of Duncan. These paintings are a gift to all who love Vincent van Gogh and a perfect representation of greatness! I look forward to each new painting created by Duncan as his ability to present beauty continues to grow! "
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    When missionary zeal and proselytes seek affirmation of the impact of their God and other handiwork amongst the mental institutions they seldom discuss it as the causative factor it can be, and assuredly is. That does not mean Van Gogh was not thinking about his youthful insane travails in the land of the Bible schlepping deviates when he drew Starry Night.

    "Religious Interpretation of Vincent Van Gogh's Starry Night

    But there is more to the meaning of Vincent Van Gogh's Starry Night than just insanity and isolation. Perhaps the real reason why the Van Gogh painting is so famous and appreciated today is not due to the negative emotions that may have initially inspired the artwork, but the strong feelings of hope Van Gogh conveys through the bright lights of the stars shining down over the dark landscape at night. In 1888, Van Gogh wrote a personal letter in which he described "a great starlit vault of can only call God." With a theologian for an uncle, Van Gogh himself was also religious, even serving as a missionary in his younger days. Many art scholars believe there is a hidden religious meaning to Starry Night. In the painting, the moon and stars in the night sky are surrounded by large halos of light while a church steeple stands out above the smaller, less detailed buildings in the town below. In fact, some art critics find a biblical meaning in the number of stars painted in Starry Night that alludes to specific Bible verse in Genesis.

    Then he dreamed still another dream and told it to his brothers, saying, “Look, I have dreamed another dream. And this time, the sun, the moon and the eleven stars bowed down to me.”
    Genesis 37:9

    Biblical Meaning of Vincent Van Gogh's Most Famous Art: A Genesis Quote?

    Why did Van Gogh paint exactly 11 stars? By painting exactly eleven stars in the Starry Night painting, Vincent Van Gogh might have been directly referencing Genesis 37:9, a key verse in the biblical account of Joseph, a "dreamer" and an outcast in the company of his eleven older brothers. It isn't hard to see why Van Gogh might have identified with Joseph in the Bible. In the Bible, Joseph was thrown into a pit, sold into slavery, and underwent years of imprisonment, much like Van Gogh did the last years of his life in the Arles asylum. No matter what Joseph did he could not receive the acceptance or respect of his 11 older brothers. Likewise, despite his best efforts, as an artist Van Gogh failed to receive the recognition of art critics of his day.

    Van Gogh's Cypress

    If the 11 stars symbolize Van Gogh's critics, where is Vincent Van Gogh in Starry Night? While that is uncertain, it is possible that Van Gogh identifies himself with the looming cypress tree in the foreground of the painting, a plant that, like daffodils, recurs in several of his paintings, including Wheat Field with Cypresses, also painted in 1889. The large cypress in Starry Night is arguably the most eye-catching but at the same time ambiguous "thing" in the painting, mostly because of its size and the way its dark and almost sinister presence contrasts so heavily with the brightly colored stars and luminescent shapes and strokes in the night sky. As Starry Night was painted during a sad period in Van Gogh's life, it would not be surprising that the depressed artist identified with this almost scary and uncanny cypress tree, sometimes mistaken as a castle, ziggurat or building of some kind. Van Gogh's art could be aptly symbolized by the strange and off-putting cypress, especially if those who prefer "beautiful" and realistic art are represented by the bright stars in the sky. Is there any other meaning behind these eleven stars?"
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