Results 1 to 5 of 5

Thread: The First Dog

  1. #1
    Join Date
    Jan 2015

    The First Dog

    A genetic study of dogs (later worshipped by Phoenicians and found in their graves around the Levant) in the archaeological period called Natufian starting in 12,000 BCE, which is a beginning of the end of the major buildup of the last Ice Age and a time of major human dispersal: raises interesting co-relations with human interbreeding in the Altaic where we recently found the Denisovan Man. Please read the Ainu thread for more. The Predmosti Cave Altai dog shows us the Ainu of the Altaic had been in the area of Dolni Vestonici - a 29,000 BPE (or is that YPE) era alloying plant for ceramics and I say metals.
    "Without dogs... you don't have civilization."
    The Altai dog according to Wikipedia contributors is possibly an aborted attempt at genetic mutation. Of course, we all should know earlier useful relations with wolves did exist and people still have such relations with wolves. My nephew travelling on foot across the Ungava Peninsula this month with his all white Malamute named Buck (a gentle creature with great power he was given a couple of years ago by an old Native man of notoriety) can be seen on The Adventurer website.

    I expect DNA research to push back in time and get more clarity about these matters in the near future. It was not long ago that science said things like the dog was just domesticated about ten millennia ago. You can see this still on the Malamute website.

    "Altai dog – 33,000 BP

    Genus Canis, species indeterminate

    33,000-year-old skull of a dog-like canid found in the Altai Mountains. It has no direct descendants today.

    In 2011, a study looked at the well-preserved 33,000-year-old skull and left mandible of a dog-like canid that was excavated from Razboinichya Cave in the Altai Mountains of southern Siberia (Central Asia). The morphology was compared to the skulls and mandibles of large Pleistocene wolves from Predmosti, Czech Republic, dated 31,000 YBP, modern wolves from Europe and North America, and prehistoric Greenland dogs from the Thule period (1,000 YBP or later) to represent large-sized but unimproved fully domestic dogs. "The Razboinichya Cave cranium is virtually identical in size and shape to prehistoric Greenland dogs" and not the ancient nor modern wolves. However, the lower carnassial tooth fell within the lower range of values for prehistoric wolves and was only slightly smaller than modern European wolves, and the upper carnassial tooth fell within the range of modern wolves. "We conclude, therefore, that this specimen may represent a dog in the very early stages of domestication, i.e. an incipient dog, rather than an aberrant wolf... The Razboinichya Cave specimen appears to be an incipient dog...and probably represents wolf domestication disrupted by the climatic and cultural changes associated with the Last Glacial Maximum".[49]

    In March 2013, a DNA study of the Altai dog deposited the sequence in GenBank with a classification of Canis lupus familiaris (dog). "The analyses revealed that the unique haplotype of the Altai dog is more closely related to modern dogs and prehistoric New World canids than it is to contemporary wolves... This preliminary analysis affirms the conclusion that the Altai specimen is likely an ancient dog with shallow divergence from ancient wolves. These results suggest a more ancient history of the dog outside of the Middle East or East Asia." The haplotype groups closest to the Altai dog included such diverse breeds as the Tibetan mastiff, Newfoundland, Chinese crested, cocker spaniel and Siberian husky.[50]

    In November 2013, a study looked at 18 fossil canids and compared these with the complete mitochondrial genome sequences from 49 modern wolves and 77 modern dogs. A more comprehensive analysis of the complete mDNA found that the phylogenetic position of the Altai dog as being either dog or wolf was inconclusive and cataloged its sequence as Canis species. All tests showed it to fall equally in both the wolf and dog clades. The sequence strongly suggests a position at the root of a clade uniting two ancient wolf genomes, two modern wolves, as well as two dogs of Scandinavian origin. However, the study does not support its recent common ancestry with the great majority of modern dogs. The study suggests that it may represent an aborted domestication episode.[3]

    Paleolithic dog – 27,000 BP

    Detailed DNA analysis yet to be conducted

    In 2002, a study looked at the fossil skulls from two large canids dated at 13,905 YBP that had been found buried within metres of what was once a mammoth-bone hut at the Upper Paleolithic site of Eliseevichi-1 in the Bryansk region of central Russia, and using an accepted morphologically-based definition of domestication declared them to be "Ice Age dogs".[51] In 2013, a study re-calibrated the age of the Eliseevichi-1 specimens to 15,000 YBP and classified them as Canis lupus familiaris (dog).[3] In 2009, a study looked at these two early dog skulls in comparison to other much earlier but morphologically similar fossil skulls that had been found across Europe and concluded that the earlier specimens were "Paleolithic dogs", which were morphologically and genetically distinct from Pleistocene wolves that lived in Europe at that time. The study proposed, based on the genetic evidence of the timeline and European location, the archaeological evidence of the Paleolithic dog remains being found at known European hunting camp-sites, and based on morphology and collagen analysis that showed their diet had been restricted compared to wolves, that the Paleolithic dog was domesticated. The study hypothesized that the Paleolithic dogs may have provided the stock from which early dogs came, or alternatively that they are a type of wolf that is not known to science.[41]

    See also Paleolithic dog.

    Dog domestication

    "The dog was the first domesticant. Without dogs you don't have any other domestication. You don't have civilization."[52]

    This is Gimbutas' area and where Dolni Vestonici had ceramics and alloying in 27,000 BCE. Needless to say the people promoting the Bible origins of a Cradle of Civilization never mention Dolni Vestonici where mother goddess figurines where the primary artform. The name fits the Ostrogothic/Mongol Tartar/Hun and DNN link I am developing.

    "The Sumerians may not have been the first people to invent the earliest form of writing, which allegedly appeared c. 3500 B.C.E. The Tartaria tablets, found in the western part of Romania and dating back to around 5300 B.C.E, according to radiocarbon dating, suggest that it was in Eastern Europe that writing first appeared. Some experts have dubbed the writing the Old European Script or the Danube Script"
    Last edited by R_Baird; 03-21-2016 at 11:40 PM.

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Jan 2015
    At Tulum, Mexico there is a swimming area where porpoises put on a show and people can hitch a ride. The village and underground river which runs to the Sea here is a treat and just like you would expect a Mayan community to have been centuries ago. If you go there make sure you go in the underground river for a while.

    There is a research group or interpretive center for the Porpoise with a big board explaining their evolution.

    They came from a big wolflike creature 200 million years ago - it went back to the ocean. For people who love porpoises and dogs now you can see a connection.

    Susan Squier noted that a dog named Flush who was a companion for Elizabeth Barrett Browning when she had to be bedridden was trapped by the same patristic attitudes. Our animal nature is not civil or civilized when we seek to be more macho or powerful. We need to flush something in political circles.
    Last edited by R_Baird; 03-27-2016 at 08:20 AM.

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Jan 2015
    National Geographic is not above getting sensationalistic in their headlines. Is this an attempt to diminish man and our evolution or is it true. I say man was civilized long before the dog, but yes, there are lots of uncivilized people still lurking in the recesses of places where great power is wielded who could use a good big bite from a dog. There are people who look sheepish who act like wolves, and all manner of other clichés.

    "In the story of how the dog came in from the cold and onto our sofas, we tend to give ourselves a little too much credit. The most common assumption is that some hunter-gatherer with a soft spot for cuteness found some wolf puppies and adopted them. Over time, these tamed wolves would have shown their prowess at hunting, so humans kept them around the campfire until they evolved into dogs. (See "How to Build a Dog.")

    Related Content

    How Dogs Can Sniff Out Diabetes and Cancer
    Sled Dogs Have Been Pulling Us for Millennia, Archaeology Shows
    Before the Iditarod: 8 Pictures of Sled Dogs from a Century Ago

    But when we look back at our relationship with wolves throughout history, this doesn't really make sense. For one thing, the wolf was domesticated at a time when modern humans were not very tolerant of carnivorous competitors. In fact, after modern humans arrived in Europe around 43,000 years ago, they pretty much wiped out every large carnivore that existed, including saber-toothed cats and giant hyenas. The fossil record doesn't reveal whether these large carnivores starved to death because modern humans took most of the meat or whether humans picked them off on purpose. Either way, most of the Ice Age bestiary went extinct.

    The hunting hypothesis, that humans used wolves to hunt, doesn't hold up either. Humans were already successful hunters without wolves, more successful than every other large carnivore. Wolves eat a lot of meat, as much as one deer per ten wolves every day—a lot for humans to feed or compete against. And anyone who has seen wolves in a feeding frenzy knows that wolves don't like to share.

    Humans have a long history of eradicating wolves, rather than trying to adopt them. Over the last few centuries, almost every culture has hunted wolves to extinction. The first written record of the wolf's persecution was in the sixth century B.C. when Solon of Athens offered a bounty for every wolf killed. The last wolf was killed in England in the 16th century under the order of Henry VII. In Scotland, the forested landscape made wolves more difficult to kill. In response, the Scots burned the forests. North American wolves were not much better off. By 1930, there was not a wolf left in the 48 contiguous states of America. (See "Wolf Wars.")

    If this is a snapshot of our behavior toward wolves over the centuries, it presents one of the most perplexing problems: How was this misunderstood creature tolerated by humans long enough to evolve into the domestic dog?

    The short version is that we often think of evolution as being the survival of the fittest, where the strong and the dominant survive and the soft and weak perish. But essentially, far from the survival of the leanest and meanest, the success of dogs comes down to survival of the friendliest. (See "People and Dogs: A Genetic Love Story.")

    Most likely, it was wolves that approached us, not the other way around, probably while they were scavenging around garbage dumps on the edge of human settlements. The wolves that were bold but aggressive would have been killed by humans, and so only the ones that were bold and friendly would have been tolerated.

    Friendliness caused strange things to happen in the wolves. They started to look different. Domestication gave them splotchy coats, floppy ears, wagging tails. In only several generations, these friendly wolves would have become very distinctive from their more aggressive relatives. But the changes did not just affect their looks. Changes also happened to their psychology. These protodogs evolved the ability to read human gestures.

    As dog owners, we take for granted that we can point to a ball or toy and our dog will bound off to get it. But the ability of dogs to read human gestures is remarkable. Even our closest relatives—chimpanzees and bonobos—can't read our gestures as readily as dogs can. Dogs are remarkably similar to human infants in the way they pay attention to us. This ability accounts for the extraordinary communication we have with our dogs. Some dogs are so attuned to their owners that they can read a gesture as subtle as a change in eye direction.

    With this new ability, these protodogs were worth knowing. People who had dogs during a hunt would likely have had an advantage over those who didn't. Even today, tribes in Nicaragua depend on dogs to detect prey. Moose hunters in alpine regions bring home 56 percent more prey when they are accompanied by dogs. In the Congo, hunters believe they would starve without their dogs.

    Dogs would also have served as a warning system, barking at hostile strangers from neighboring tribes. They could have defended their humans from predators.

    And finally, though this is not a pleasant thought, when times were tough, dogs could have served as an emergency food supply. Thousands of years before refrigeration and with no crops to store, hunter-gatherers had no food reserves until the domestication of dogs. In tough times, dogs that were the least efficient hunters might have been sacrificed to save the group or the best hunting dogs. Once humans realized the usefulness of keeping dogs as an emergency food supply, it was not a huge jump to realize plants could be used in a similar way."

    When did the issue become more about yappers, crappers, nappers and mappers who could find their way?
    Last edited by R_Baird; 03-27-2016 at 03:28 PM.

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Jan 2015
    An excerpt from an article or post under the Aleutian trade route brings us another Professor who has something important to say about the Ainu dog and shamans who often had their dog summoning the moon (kidding). I also include some of that thread which carries on to Newfoundland which we saw had an early kind of canine in the DNA work.

    “Only two breeds of native dogs owned by hunters are really useful enough to matter. One is the Ainu deerhound (The Ainu were once in control of the island of Hokkaido, north of Japan. They probably are the original DNN.), the other the husky or sled dog known to us mostly through the Eskimo. Both were concerned with snow, the Ainu hounds in winter hunting, the Eskimo dogs for winter transport on land. Both were native breeds, parts of the cultural equipment of the peoples concerned. Neither the Ainu nor the Eskimo will be blackballed from the hunter's club because of their dogs... I am not making fun of hunters. I respect and admire them. Before being overrun by the snowball of modern civilization they led full and satisfactory lives, and it will do us no harm to reflect on the advantages of some of their age-old ways of dealing with nature and with each other…

    A plea for the appreciation of shamans:

    In the anthropological literature, shamans have often been categorized as natural neurotics who would have been social misfits in a society like our own--the craziest hunters of all. Actually they are exceptionally intelligent and well-disciplined men, as able to hunt as non shamans are. Their ability to go into a trance is not automatic. Meditation is one way. Dancing and singing monotonously can produce hyperventilation and ecstatic states, as we know from physiological studies of Muslim dervishes, and the same is true of "Holy Rollers". - Bushmen and Veddas also go into mass trances.

    Being able to swallow and regurgitate objects takes practice and dedication, but it can be done. Once in India I saw a magician bring up several undersized billiard balls from his stomach. Missionaries and other early observers often referred to shamans as imposters, because of their sleight of hand, ventriloquism, and other attention-getting devices. But it is hard to see how these maneuvers are any more fraudulent than some of the symbolic procedures in our own religious ceremonies.

    Shamans are also given credit for extrasensory perception, clairvoyance, and telekinesis (which means moving objects by "mental" rather than by "physical" energy).Two close observers of the hunting scene, R.P. Trilles and Martin Gusinde, were not convinced that shamans completely lack these powers, and new evidence from the Soviet Union indicates that these "psychic" phenomena are being studied there seriously.{Actually places like the FRNM where a lady friend of mine worked had a ten year head start according to recent research by journalists and others looking into U.S. use of mind control tools that we have reported upon. His source is a good one - it is 'Psychic Discoveries Behind the Iron Curtain from 1970, by Ostrander and Schroeder.}

    Here a special point may be made. None of these "psychic" activities requires advanced technical equipment; nothing more may be needed than a few quartz crystals {Remember the covering of the mounds at places like New Grange.} or a length of cord to be swallowed. In this sense shamanism may be nearly as old as human speech, and it is only natural to find it more developed among the Australians, Fuegians, and Eskimo than it is among ourselves. We have other means of projecting messages through the air invisibly, of predicting the weather and the time when the striped bass will arrive, and of moving things with little human physical effort." (9)

    Thank you Professor Carleton Coon! (The Hunting People)

    The matter of the New Zealand Kelts that the Maoris and British combined to eradicate in the 19th century and the Easter Islanders, who we have already dealt with, might have a technological connection. The Maori are not indigenous to New Zealand but their language is an ancient Polynesian one similar to Hawaiian as we have demonstrated from the scholars who should know these things. The war canoes of the Haida Nation of Vancouver Island area are similar to these Maori and Samoan technologies. But all these things are further south than the pre-Aleut 'mummy people' who disappeared completely after the Russians arrived in 1741. The Eskimo people still have some of their genetic material and perhaps some shamanic knowledge as they have the Elder Councils and other cultural connections. All these peoples have a definite connection - they were light-skinned, they were eliminated in a short time by Christians, they are not often studied by archaeology.
    Last edited by R_Baird; 03-27-2016 at 04:28 PM.

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Jan 2015
    Fortunately the Arctic Tundra probably has preserved some of their remains that escaped the Christian zealots who destroyed all they could.

    "The first Russian ships arriving on Kodiak Island were driven away by armed men using these huge shields which were proof even against cannon fire. {The wood may even have been ironwood and as good as any metal till the 20th century in protecting oneself. There are many such strong woods in the tropics or Yucatan, and the Aleut mummy people traded with the Mayans.} The natives openly attacked, driving the Russians off the beaches under a rain of stones thrown from catapults, spears, darts and lances. The Russians retreated, but suffered extensive losses of ships and men. The Aleuts used a decimal system that could tabulate up to 100,000, and used a 12-month calendar. They manufactured a white parchment that has endured through the ages. They made fishing nets, harpoon lines and 'bidarka' ropes from the core of seaweed.{Is this the key ingredient in their faster than present kayaks?} and wove baskets and sleeping mats from the roots of tall grass. Geese were domesticated by catching them during the molting season and then clipping their wings; thus a yearly supply was assured. They had a working knowledge of astronomy and anatomy: human and animal, setting simple fractures and performing some operations... one in particular being the removal of eye abscesses.{The shamanic herbal and 'psychic surgery' that still exists in Brazil and the Philippines might prove another world traveled knowledge that these people shared with the Druids. Nah. Just more speculative co-incidences.} Experts at sea, they were fearless in their pursuit of whales, walrus, sea-coast sea-lions and seals....

    The Smithsonian Institution, in Washington, D.C., is the only official repository for the few remaining Alaskan mummies. {One photo he/she has, shows the same sitting position of a buried chief in the Beothuk area of Newfoundland. This practice seems to be common in many places but limited to the special few wherever it is done. The case of the Beothuk one shows the body was disinterred and the bones painted with the spiritual red ochre, that they wore on their bodies and led to the name 'redskins'.} Large numbers of them were burned by early Christian missionaries jealous of all forms of 'paganism'. But there are doubtless many more yet to be unearthed in the frozen northlands. Perhaps enough will be found in future excavations to determine once and for all the identity of this fair-haired people who long ago dominated what has since become the largest state in the Union." (10)

    In this same issue of Ancient American there is another article on Malta by Frank Joseph which draws a detailed connection between Colombia, South America and the Malta megalithic temples that has this important point:

    "Professor Frendo pointed to the same design motifs and neolithic building procedures in Ireland, particularly at the winter-solstice-oriented chamber-mound thirty miles north of Dublin, at the Boyne River Valley, known as New Grange, from the Keltic sun-god, 'Greine'." (11)

    Here we also find subterranean rooms and housing potential just like the Ainu and these Aleuts of old. The Hal Safleini site has another similar construction that we have noted in New Hampshire at what is called Mystery Hill. Here we see Bel, the Keltic God we know is the same as Ba'al of the Phoenicians. There is a written record stating the Phoenicians were welcome to worship at Mystery Hill, etched in stone. But Prof. Frendo did not mention any transoceanic contact when he spoke at the Smithsonian on April18th. Why? We should feel good about his daring to draw the connection to Ireland and leave the matter of worldwide culture to later times, I suppose. In the matter of the Beothuk there are many books written by highly credible people who are shocked at the behavior of the good Christians who put a bounty on their head. Pierre Berton and Farley Mowat have popularized their plight. We wonder if their unique double-crescent, three-peaked canoes will ever show up in drawings or artifacts among the Adena-Hopewell civilization. They may have originated in the far north and have come from the same stock as the Aleuts but we expect the truth is more likely as this next author notes.

    "The Beothuk were the last descendants of the "Lost Red Paint People" of the "Maritime Archaic" and "Archaic Boreal", spread from Labrador to the tip of New Jersey. Traces go back to 7,000 B.C. L'Anse Amour (south Labrador shore) is carbon-dated to 5500 B.C., the oldest known burial mound in the Americas. Port aux Choix, on north-west Newfoundland, is 2200 to 1200 years old. (Dorset Eskimo overlays only begin 500 to 200 B.C.).Red Paint artifacts are curiously similar to those of Mesolithic Norway to megalithic Brittany (5200 B.C.). Heavy woodwork stone gouges, stone sinker plummets,..."
    Last edited by R_Baird; 03-27-2016 at 04:24 PM.

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts