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  1. #11
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    Manly Hall has given many learned people a lot to think about and yet it would appear most academics involved in linguistics have little or no awareness of his excellent scholarship. We need to crack all codes in symbology before we can honestly say we know what technology and wisdom the ancients had. The language of the birds or BRDs is one of the most ancient systems which I think evolved into the Hermetic Green Languages used by the likes of Goethe (Founder of a Jesuit short term Illuminized group most people ramble on about as if it is all there was.), Thomas Carlyle in Sartor Restartus, Jonathan Swift and many more. In my work on Shakespeare I uncovered Francis Bacon using code to claim the works of his friend William whose work he published. It took about 50 years for some people to decipher it and now there are many who think it means Bacon wrote Shakespeare. Such is the way of ignorant ego among pretenders to knowledge. As Hugo knew, Shakespeare also wrote in hermetic code.

    "The arcana of the ancient Mysteries were never revealed to the profane except through the media of symbols. Symbolism fulfilled the dual office of concealing the sacred truths from the uninitiated and revealing them to those qualified to understand the symbols. Forms are the symbols of formless divine principles; symbolism is the language of Nature. With reverence the wise pierce the veil and with clearer vision contemplate the reality; but the ignorant, unable to distinguish between the false and the true, behold a universe of symbols. It may well be said of Nature--the Great Mother--that she is ever tracing strange characters upon the surface of things, but only to her eldest and wisest sons as a reward for their faith and devotion does she reveal the cryptic alphabet which is the key to the import of these tracings.

    The temples of the ancient Mysteries evolved their own sacred languages, known only to their initiates and never spoken save in the sanctuary. The illumined priests considered it sacrilege to discuss the sacred truths of the higher worlds or the divine verities of eternal Nature in the same tongue as that used by the vulgar for wrangling and dissension. A sacred science must needs be couched in a sacred language. Secret alphabets also were invented, and whenever the secrets of the wise were committed to writing, characters meaningless to the uninformed were employed. Such forms of writing were called sacred or Hermetic alphabets. Some--such as the famous angelic writing--are still retained in the higher degrees of Masonry.

    Secret alphabets were not entirely satisfactory, however, for although they rendered unintelligible the true nature of the writings, their very presence disclosed the fact of concealed information--which the priests also sought to conceal. Through patience or persecution, the keys to these alphabets were eventually acquired and the contents of the documents revealed to the unworthy. This necessitated employment of more subtle methods for concealing the divine truths. The result was the appearance of cryptic systems of writing designed to conceal the presence of both the message and the cryptogram. Having thus devised a method of transmitting their secrets to posterity, the illuminati encouraged the circulation of certain documents specially prepared through incorporating into them ciphers containing the deepest secrets of mysticism and philosophy. Thus medieval philosophers disseminated their theories throughout Europe without evoking suspicion, since volumes containing these cryptograms could be subjected to the closest scrutiny without revealing the presence of the hidden message."

    The mind is not alone in our body or our soul. Put that in your pipe for an hour or two and then consider what your spirit and experiences are part and parcel of. Is the collective mind something you can attune with as you make love? What effect will that have on the genes you are sharing and passing on to our future society? This is the realm of social engineering about to make waves, perhaps.

    Stress effects are genetically passed from generation to generation. If this experiential type of data is transferred through our genes - imagine how much like a computer chip our brains truly are? Or is this like Horizontal gene transfer in lesser life forms which I think occurs in all life forms and explains what we have called intuition? I have written about occult genetic information transfer for decades, and I see many current science proofs are in line with what I wrote. The most important one being the lymph system which I connected with psychic points charts and chakras as a teenager, now proven to exist in the brain as of 2015, at the University of Virginia (Kevin Lee).

    I say we can heal ourselves and if we learn to address this properly as we grow up it will make our offspring more adept at many things. St. Germain set up schools in Vienna to accentuate these abilities and he never aged a day according to Voltaire - in the 50 years he knew him. That does not mean he was immortal as some fraudsters are out there selling.

    There are possible ways to ensure this does not happen if we make love only when we have been stress free, perhaps. Does this mean aggression in our kinks or ways of making love is not good? Would gestation in gravity free environments for a few hours a week help? When does the information get embedded?

    "A father’s stress may directly affect his son’s health.

    In mice, males exposed to repeated psychological stress developed high blood sugar — and so did their unstressed male offspring, researchers report online February 18 in Cell Metabolism. Stress appeared to alter chemical tags on the DNA in a male’s sperm. These epigenetic tweaks were then passed onto male pups, which produced higher levels of blood sugar-generating proteins in their livers than mice sired by unstressed fathers. If the frazzled fathers received daily doses of a drug that blocked stress hormones before mating, their sons’ increased blood sugar was mostly prevented, the team found.

    The results call for further exploration of how a father’s experiences or actions — for example, smoking or exposure to toxins — may impact his children’s health, the scientists say."

    " Positive liberty is the possibility of acting — or the fact of acting — in such a way as to take control of one's life and realize one's fundamental purposes."

    The fundamental purpose of every conscious soul ultimately becomes filling their life (lives if you want to see your role in something collective) with meaning such as RIGHT thought = Right Action. This became the crux of Frankl's work based on his time in Nazi concentration camps and known as Logotherapy. The book is small but powerful medicine - Man's Search for Meaning. I like to think all religions would agree this is Divine Providence but that might require some special motivation like taxing them to get them to agree their scriptures should be interpreted that way, rather than encouraging wars and misogyny or racism.

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    Although the Wikipedia contributors to a major post on Linear Pottery say it is not connected with Linear A or B I am not so sure. I would love to get a discussion going with actual scholars on the subject who have an open mind like Cyrus Gordon or Marija Gimbutas. I also question the assertions there were no people moving across borders. Do they imagine some king or country was in control - or what?

    "In one view, the AVK came "directly out of" the Körös.[8] The brief, short-ranged Szatmár group on the northern edge of the Körös culture seems transitional.[8] Some place it with the Körös, some with the AVK. The latter's pottery is decorated with white painted bands with incised edges. Körös pottery was painted.

    As is presented above, however, no major population movements occurred across the border. The Körös went on into a late phase in its accustomed place, 5770–5230.[16] The late Körös is also called the Proto-Vinča, which was succeeded by the Vinča-Tordo, 5390–4960. There is no necessity to view the Körös and the AVK as closely connected. The AVK economy is somewhat different: it used cattle and swine, both of which occur wild in the region, instead of the sheep of the Balkans and Mediterranean. The percentage of wild animal bones is greater. Barley, millet and lentils were added.

    Around 5100 or so, towards the end of the Middle Neolithic, the classical AVK descended into a complex of pronounced local groups called the Szakálhát-Esztár-Bükk,[8][16] which flourished about 5260-4880:
    The Szakálhát group was located on the lower and middle Tisza and the Körös Rivers, taking the place of the previous Körös culture. Its pottery went on with the painted white bands and incised edge.
    The Esztár group to the north featured pottery with bands painted in dark paint.
    The Szilmeg group was located in the foothills of the Bükk Mountains.
    The Tiszadob group was located in the Sajó Valley.
    The Bükk group was located in the mountains.

    These are all characterised by finely crafted and decorated ware. The entire group is considered by the majority of the sources listed in this article to have been in the LBK. Before the chronology and many of the sites were known, the Bükk was thought to be a major variant; in fact, Gimbutas[17] at one point believed it to be identical with the Eastern Linear Pottery culture. Since 1991, the predominance of the Alföld has come to light.

    The end of the Eastern Linear Pottery culture and the LBK is less certain. The Szakálhát-Esztár-Bükk descended into another Late Neolithic legacy complex, the Tisza-Hérpály-Csöszhalom, which is either not LBK or is transitional from the LBK to the Tiszapolgar, a successor culture."
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    If you are not convinced about things MacDari said about Hebrew connections with Irish or Eire-yann (Aryan and Indo-Aryan) linguistic roots in ancient language schools I call Phoenician, maybe this will seal the deal. This is what the Hanes Taliesin included at least in part I think.

    "Irish Scots Gaelic Egyptian Connection

    Posted on 10 February 2012 by E. M. Smith

    Or: When is enough Circumstantial Evidence, evidence of circumstances?

    There are several lines of ‘evidence’ that I’ve been teasing at for a year or three now. They wander back and forth. They hint and tease, but refuse to come out and just say it.

    There are some sites and links that assert, with great vigor, that The Irish Are A Lost Tribe Of Israel. Others assert it’s the Welsh. Or the Scots. Or… They trot out linguistic claims that a Welsh translation of the Old Testament Hebrew is hardly a translation at all, more a lexical substitution, with idiom and tone near perfectly matching.


    Extracts from Chapter Seventeen of “Lost Israelite Identity” which is presently out of print:

    Chapter Seventeen

    Insular British Celtic tongues, especially colloquial Welsh, says W.H.Worrell, show certain peculiarities which are reminiscent of Hamitic and Semitic tongues and are unparalleled in Aryan languages. Similarly, according to H.Wagner:

    “Irish..has as many features in common with non-Indo-European languages, especially with Hamito-Semitic languages, as with other Indo-European languages”.

    “Insular Celtic languages.. the grammatical categories having many affinities with non-Indo-European languages, in particular Basque and Berber”.

    “The comparative typology of insular Celtic initiated by Morris Jones and further developed by Pokorny, G.B.Adams, and myself has revealed that most of the many peculiar features of insular Celtic rarely traceable in other Indo-European languages have analogies in Basque, Berber, Egyptian, Semitic, and even in Negro languages”.

    “Certain features [(of marginal influence only)] of Old Irish verb forms can be understood only in the light of Hittite, Vedic, Sanskrit, and Mycenean Greek”.

    J.Morris Jones said that,

    “The pre-Aryan idioms which still live in Welsh and Irish were derived from a language allied to Egyptian tongues”.

    The above linguistic remarks show that Insular Celtic (i.e. of Britain and Ireland as distinct from the Continental forms which were somewhat different) is consistent with the claims proposed herein: i.e. The original tongue of the Insular Celts was Semitic (Hebrew) which marginally was influenced by Mycenean Greek, Hittite, Indo-European (Sanskrit), Syrian, Mitanni, and what not. Heavy Hamitic influences may be attributable to those of some of the neighboring peoples, such as the Canaanites, and Egyptians, and to having sojourned in a North African environment. In addition, the natives of Spain amongst whom the Insular Celts or a good portion of them once dwelt, traded with, and fought against, were also at least in part of North African Berber related Hamitic origin. This explanation may sound involved and complicated but it accords with the evidence when archaeological, anthropological, mythological, and linguistic findings are compared with each other. At all events the natives of Ireland and Wales must have used a Hamitic /Semitic tongue(s) before they came into contact with Continental Indo-European ones.


    It was seen above that Irish and colloquial Welsh definitely have some type of underlying linguistic base that must only derive from Middle Eastern (Semitic) and/or North African Hamitic sources. This conclusion was derived from the quoted opinions of linguistic scientists still active in their field today.

    It so happens that in the past there were others who held similar opinions but went further than their present-day continuers care to. They expressly related Celtic tongues to Hebrew!!!

    A writer who signed his name “Glas” submitted a list of Welsh words with Hebrew origins in 1832. The writer remarked that, “But the best proof of the Eastern descent of the ancient British is the close resemblance and connection existing between the Welsh and Hebrew languages, even at this day. As a proof of this we have extracted the following vocabulary of words in both tongues, so closely resembling each other in sound and sense as to leave no doubt whatever on the subject. Many of these words, it will be found, have been transmitted from the Welsh, through the Anglo-Saxon into our modern English. It would be easy to swell their number..

    Some of the examples adduced by the above writer were:

    Aeth: He went, he is gone; hence Athah
    Aml: Plentiful, ample =Hamale
    Ydom: the earth = Adamah
    Awye: air, sky = auor, or
    bu: it came to pass = bo
    boten, or potten : belly = beten.
    brith: bright = barud
    cas: hatred = caas (anger).
    dafnu: to drop, or distill by drops = nataph, taph.

    In 1675 Charles Edwards (“Hanes y Fydd”) published A number of Welsh Cambro-Brittanic Hebraisms in which he shows that whole phrases in Welsh can be closely paralleled by whole phrases in Hebrew."
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    When man first denied his evolved ancestors - was he becoming Homo stupendous foolus?

    When did that occur? I suggest it happened when a few people started to think they could get other people to do their bidding through the use of some early kind of religion around the time these experts say man began to innovate.

    They do not acknowledge art from over a half million years ago or the ability to travel by the stars a million years ago to Flores Island and all the places before getting there from their still unproven only human origins site in the cave they are writing about. But of course this does not surprise me - they might not even have heard about Alan Thorne and his use of nuclear or AMS technology to push back the dating of Nanking Man and earlier dates for Mungo Man with his Red Ochre art not far from that Flores Island hominid we have proof existed and which was thought to be a myth. They and their cronies have denied the Berekhat Ram figurine dated to over 300,000 years ago for a very long time. They have no explanation for the flora on Hawaii which genetics proves (yes, plant forensics dating mutations) came from over 1500 miles away - in the Caroline Islands, other than the bird poop theory which is as you can easily see - poop. Botanists do not buy these kinds of plants were in the shit of birds, and they think it highly likely that the Caroline Islanders arrived with outrigger raft technology still evident in Bali's dances and boats of the present. There is a long list of things they deny and proclaim are some kind of fraud, including when many began to use symbols in speech. And speech was not the first use of symbols, hand signing and animal languages were not taught to our fellow creatures by early man.

    If you can believe these things written by experts, you are ready to be managed and fed to your racial enemies in wars promoted by priesthoods who use and abuse you in all so many ways. Did Neanderthal get displaced or did we interbreed? Perhaps these people believe what was taught to them when I was going to school and my nephews not long ago were still being encouraged to believe.

    "Personal Review: The Dawn of Human Culture by Richard G. Klein Professor Klein and science editor Blake Edgar refer to "innovation" as the key to the great leap forward made by humans about 50,000 years ago. This was the beginning of human culture--the "dawn" as they call it. It wasn't a change in physiology--humans had been anatomically modern for something like 150,000 years. What changed was the wiring in the brain, or the chemistry in the brain or the linkage between the modules in the brain, or, as they express it, there was a "neurological shift"--at any rate, something that would never show up in a fossil.
    This is Klein's theory and it is a persuasive one, albeit one that can never be proven--well, probably can never be proven. If under some ice sheet (as the planet continues to warm) we find a 100,000-year-old human intact, perhaps an examination of his or her brain and a comparison with the modern brain will give us the proof. Barring that very unlikely event, there is no way we can see what changed.

    But it doesn't matter. Formal proof of Klein's conjecture (and of course, he is hardly the first to present such a theory) is unnecessary. We know from the behavioral changes that took place in something like a twinkling of an eye that humans beginning about 50,000 years ago were suddenly different. They had a culture that developed from the use of what might broadly be called symbolism. We can see this in the petroglyphs and cave art and artifacts that they left. We can also see it in the way they displaced the Neanderthals in Europe and left no trace of Homo erectus elsewhere in the world, and how quickly they spread to the far corners of the planet.

    It is easy to see that they must have had symbolic language as well. Indeed, I think language really is the key to what happened, and this is Klein's point as well. The key idea is that "language is almost a kind of sixth sense, since it allows people to supplement their five primary senses with information drawn from the primary senses of others." (p. 146)

    Today's mighty culture would be impossible without written language or some means of taking down and recording and maintaining human knowledge. Prior to written language this was done through an oral tradition handed down from one generation to the next. Myths, stories, poetry, ideas, information and methods were memorized and recited. Prior to that however, prior to the use of symbolic language, there would have been only a limited ability to pass ideas down from one generation to the next. It would have been difficult to even share some ideas with a contemporary. But once symbolic language developed, people could demonstrate events and things not present with others through the use of words--that is, symbols standing for the actual objects or events--nouns and verbs.

    From a representation symbolically of something seen or something that happened, it was only a step to a representation of something never seen before--such as a net for catching birds or fish or a stampede of wildebeests over a cliff."

    So they would have you believe nets did not exist to catch fish, and yet (as mathematics whiz kids like Bucky Fuller knew) when man first navigated by the stars over the horizon he was learning geometry and basic trigonometry. And how did he strap those logs together (did he observes vines which tie logs together for chimpanzees to float upon) when Homo Habilis traveled to Indonesia a million years and more ago? Yes, mankind is VERY stupid if he can read this poop saying we only learned to get wildebeests to become our food by observing what happens in nature. These same academics have been heard or seen writing about the invention of spears and arrows in the same time frame they write about here. Hillemanns (sp) and Bunch or Asimov's Encyclopedias on technology may disagree when these technologies came to be used but I think the monkey using a stick to get at an anthill precedes the spear they write about by a very long time.
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    And if Professor Klein and his cronies have not considered the porpoise (common name dolphin, include the Killer Whale who can communicate with pods on the other side of the world) and it's conceptual and language ability when addressing their theory about humans only having such ability 50,000 years ago - what does that tell you? Then there is Koko the Bonobo gorilla and Kanzai the chimp, see Yerkes Primate Center; and perhaps their family pet which I guess people like John Locke never had to take for a W-A-L-K. Yes, the dog is related to the porpoise. They diverged about 200 Million years ago from a wolf like creature.

    "International Journal of Comparative Psychology, 2010, 23, 310-330. Copyright 2010 by the International Society for Comparative Psychology

    My heartfelt thanks to the various agencies, institutions and individuals that have supported this work throughout the years. Special thanks to Peter Ranney and LeBurta Atherton for their generous support, and to the many members of the Dolphin Institute. I am grateful to the National Science Foundation who supported this research at various times over many years, including an initial grant at the inception of the research that allowed me to move beyond some early pilot studies and to develop a place where dolphin cognitive and sensory study could continue. I also thank the Office of Naval Research for their support of our cognitive research, especially during the 1980s. Earthwatch provided annual support through their volunteer program from 1982 to 2000. The Dolphin Institute also provided support during the latter half of the 1990s and the turn of the millennium. There are many co-researchers who worked with me and helped produce the work reviewed here. I would like to give special thanks to several in particular who contributed much to the dolphin research, to the laboratory, and to the dolphins. These include, in rough order of their appearance at the lab: Frank Beach III, William Arbeit Jr. (deceased), Michael Yunker (deceased), Roger Thompson, Carolyn Madsen, Ron Antinoja, Paul Forestell, Jim Wolz, Douglas Richards, Joseph Mobley, Gordon Bauer, Adam Pack, John Gory, Susan Reeve, Mark Xitco, Jim Ralston, Matthias Hoffman-Kuhnt, Stacy Braslau-Schneck, Robert Uyeyama, Deirdre Killebrew, Dave Matus, Mark Deakos, Kristin Taylor, Amy Cutting, Eduardo Mercado III, Rebecca Cowan, and Amy Miller.Correspondence concerning this article should be addressed to Louis M. Herman, The University of Hawaii at Manoa, Department of Psychology, 1960 East-West Road, Biomed T311, Honolulu, HI, 96822, U.S.A. ([email protected]).

    What Laboratory Research has Told Us about Dolphin Cognition

    Louis M. Herman University of Hawaii and The Dolphin Institute, U.S.A.

    Studies of sensory, cognitive, and communicative skills of bottlenose dolphins (Tursiops truncatus) were carried out over a 34-year period at the Kewalo Basin Marine Mammal Laboratory in Honolulu. Findings on sensory skills included fine discrimination of auditory frequency differences and auditory duration, good visual resolution capabilities in water and in air, and sharing of object recognition across the senses of vision and echolocation. Short-term memory for auditory and visual materials was well developed, including memory for lists of items. Concept learning was demonstrated within several paradigms, including discrimination learning sets and matching-tosample. Dolphins understood novel instructions conveyed within artificial gestural or acoustic language systems using “sentences” as long as five words whose interpretation required processing of both the semantic and syntactic features of the languages. Gestural instructions were understood as reliably when conveyed through television images of trainers as when conveyed by live trainers. The words of these languages were understood referentially, including an ability to report whether a referenced object was present or absent in the dolphin’s tank. Both vocal mimicry of novel sounds and behavioral (motor) mimicry of other dolphins and of humans was demonstrated, an extensive and unique dual ability among animals tested, including an understanding of the concept of imitate as well as an understanding of the concept of behavioral synchrony. Behavioral synchrony (two dolphins acting together) was carried out effectively for behaviors directed by a trainer and for selfdirected behaviors. The dolphins understood the referring function of the human pointing gesture {Signing}, possibly as a generalization from the referring function of their echolocation beam. Self-awareness was demonstrated in two domains: the dolphin’s conscious awareness of its own recent behavior, and its conscious awareness of its own body parts when symbolically referenced. This suite of findings attest to the remarkable flexibility and extensibility of dolphin cognition and reveals cognitive competencies that surely aid the dolphin’s effective functioning within its complex social and ecological milieu."
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