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    sorry for mistake ,English is not my first language
    yes i think bronze chisel will not do any harm to andesite and; what was done in Puma Punku is way over what we can do today all delicate triple rabbet groove and inner square.
    I do not have any problem with Stonehenge human made it : lot of people and plenty of wood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by al2207 View Post
    sorry for mistake ,English is not my first language
    yes i think bronze chisel will not do any harm to andesite and; what was done in Puma Punku is way over what we can do today all delicate triple rabbet groove and inner square.
    I do not have any problem with Stonehenge human made it : lot of people and plenty of wood.
    Hmmm. You have not read the science that explains poured in place and you seem to know how wood is useful for rolling Stonehenge rock despite no one being able to do it from attempts I have seen. And similarly you have not described how these rocks were fitted together.

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    I do not think block can be poured in Peru and Bolivia the 2 main rock used were andesite and granite and nearly all of them shown evidence of glassy surface and incredible cutting technique with square cut and the back is flat also. In Cusco at the Corikancha there is evidence of block with extremely flat and parallel surface going all the way to the back portion ; the wall with a nice curve is also something we can barely achieve today . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVS5Okw5ERM
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fc7X27NQm7Q
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chester View Post
    I have not actually seen them but they look like granite rather than limestone. I once worked in engineering of highways and it does not look like any limestone I have ever seen. Most blocks are granite in the Peru area due to the abundance of the material and its longevity.
    most rock are andesite but some are granite

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    Quote Originally Posted by al2207 View Post
    I do not think block can be poured in Peru and Bolivia the 2 main rock used were andesite and granite and nearly all of them shown evidence of glassy surface and incredible cutting technique with square cut and the back is flat also. In Cusco at the Corikancha there is evidence of block with extremely flat and parallel surface going all the way to the back portion ; the wall with a nice curve is also something we can barely achieve today . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVS5Okw5ERM
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fc7X27NQm7Q
    Can you pour water in Peru? Your argument is non existent. To place large rocks as finely situated as these would take a person as large as half of the mountain or something huge. Yes, flat surfaces occur when you pour the rock into a mold in situ. Please go to the post on pouring the rock where I gave you scientific evidence and thus argue based on facts - and I can see you quoting the facts you disagree with.
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    after reading it, the most point is: they are saying it*is like the stone were melted it is obvious, but how it was done nobody knows ,if it was heated they acknowledge hard stone like granite will not be granite anymore , same comment will apply to andesite . From what i see it will take a lot of energy even only to softer the stone ; my theory can apply with roughly the same result . I respect your belief but in Peru there are many site in which the rock were cut directly from rock face (not melted ) .https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4AFR57ibKA

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    You can't read English either - I guess. I will put the facts here for all to see. There also is a part about the lie in This Old Pyramid which I almost funded legal action to correct as I note. Please don't say you read something if you have not in the future - that is improper behaviour.

    A new scientific analysis demonstrates the artificial nature of Egyptian Pyramid stone. The article titled: “Were the casing stones of Senefru’s Bent Pyramid in Dahshour cast or carved? Multinuclear NMR evidence” was published in Materials Letters 65 (2011) 350–352, by an international team of scientists involving Kenneth J.D. MacKenzie (MacDiarmid Institute for Advanced Materials and Nanotechnology, Victoria University of Wellington, New Zealand), Mark E. Smith, Alan Wong, John V. Hanna (Department of Physics, University of Warwick, Coventry, CV4 7Al, UK), Bernard Barry (Institute of Geological and Nuclear Sciences, Lower Hutt, New Zealand) and Michel W. Barsoum (Department of Materials Science and Engineering, Drexel University, Philadelphia, PA 19104, USA).

    The abstract reads: “A comparison was made of the solid-state 29Si, 27Al and 43Ca MAS NMR spectra of the outer casing stone from Snefru’s Bent Pyramid in Dahshour, Egypt, with two quarry limestones from the area. The NMR results suggest that the casing stones consist of limestone grains from the Tura quarry, cemented with an amorphous calcium-silicate gel formed by human intervention, by the addition of extra silica, possibly diatomaceous earth, from the Fayium area.”

    And repeating the key part - which everyone should know and then ask why do TV shows allow Hawass to get so much airtime after having lied and framed Dr. Davidovits - and why do TV shows encourage such lies that include allowing people to think alien intervention makes any sense?


    casing stones consist of limestone grains from the Tura quarry, cemented with an amorphous calcium-silicate gel formed by human intervention

    There are many other technologies which I demonstrate were used in building the Great Pyramid. You wouldn't build a building today using only one method would you? Here is the best answer to moving the obelisks that are proven to have been quarried. But many of them could be moved by other means. The risk of fractures in such moves would be far less if they had this method. I have read where the US government seized records of Leedskalnin and Wilhelm Reich, whose orgone is very similar to the cosmic force at work in this description. I have proposed they used this knowledge in affecting the weather on the Roswell balloons.

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...erpetual-Power
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    why are you saying i had not read i did ?

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    Then post while quoting in that thread. I have watched the number of views and I see you do not exhibit any inkling of what is said in the Poured in place thread - so yes, I am saying you have not read it. Reading requires comprehension and maybe your language skills prevent it.

    And throughout this entire thread there is a presumption that Peru was not a central organizing area of the most advanced people on Earth. It probably was and people from all over the world came there for at least 100,000 years - soon to be proven but close enough in this article. I have posted the work of Guidon who is an archaeologist working in South America who says that 100,000 years is provable in Brazil from seafarers.

    Dr. Carter of John's Hopkins says it is possible that man was in the Americas 100,000 years ago and he says certainly 60,000. This article says the Indians had no ships to travel the ocean and yet - I know for sure the Mayans had larger ships than Columbus. The large hardwood trees of the area made up to 150 foot ships or boats. As to the need of sails they should know Romans were not big on sails which require windlass technology (Irish and Phoenicians had crude technology) to keep ships whole. I think if they wanted these dugouts could hoist sails in weather that was safe - just as shown the Peruvians did in their voyage bringing back a bronze chair and black princess. The same dugout technology is seen going from the Haida to Samoans on New Zealand. Hell; there are one man crafts going across every ocean today - some have people towing the sleeping boat as they walk on snowshoe types of footwear.

    http://news.google.com/newspapers?ni...pg=3695,776961

    This article gets a lot right about Zahi Hawass.

    http://www.tnetimes.com/article/244-...x-bosnia-semir

    This is from Hancock's forum and has a knowledgeable person discussing many sources I find of value as well as pointing you to other places that rocks are earthquake proofed.

    "Author: David Campbell (209.151.112.---)
    Date: 21-Apr-09 15:18

    I first became aware of the megaliths of Malta and the submerged roads and stonework at a presentation David Hatcher Childress gave in Dallas a few years back. His comments on the earthquake proofing aspects of the megalithic architecture there and in South America impelled me to read further on Malta with increasing interest. This led me to get Graham's "Underworld", Rudgely's "Lost Civilizations of the Stone Age", Marija Gimbutas' "Civilization of the Goddess" and "Language of the Goddess" and a number of other books which discussed Malta. Gimbutas, in my opinion, was by far the most informative and detailed in shedding light on the mysterious architects of Malta and their relation to other megalith builders including the builders of Catal Hayuk. To me, Malta and the related megalithic cultures are more intriguing than Ancient Egypt because of their age and the fact less attention has been given to them in non-technical literature."

    The DNA of natives has recently been found on Easter Island which supports Thor Heyerdahl. I have other DNA proof on the Chatham Islands. In fact I have proven Heyerdahl correct with more than the great proofs he gave. I assure you the Ainu blood is all over Peru and Polynesia. Here you will see numerous ways people have proven ocean travel on all oceans - WHY does academia deny it? Because once people realize we once lived in Peace and Brotherhood before Empires or Nations MAYBE people will scream at the top of their lungs. "I've had enough and I'm not going to take it anymore!"

    http://www.gloriafarley.com/chap2.htm

    And there are many scholars following in the footprints of the scholars I often quote. The currently running Expedition show on TV had the Atacama giant and Nazca Lines mystery on a recent episode. It said what I said - lines over water aquifers and people using spiritual rituals to draw energy to bring water to the surface. The rituals include alignment of the designs to the sun and stars (like Venus or the morning star) and the Earth Energy Grid like all other megaliths.
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    We have endured the 'experts' of mechanistic professionalism far too long. Their ego has made them cling to fads and fictions with the most ignorant among us. When Edison's phonograph was presented to the Paris Academy of Sciences they throttled the presenter as they claimed he was a ventriloquist. At the end of the 19th Century a Patent Office Official said they should close down because everything that could be discovered had been already patented. This is the kind of sunshine law that all bureaucracies should install but not because they are right about no more inventions being possible. Even worse is the early 20th Century Britannica proclaiming torture was a thing of the past in 'civilized' Europe? Clearly we must do our own thinking.



    "Although Darwin was in the habit of repudiating violently any intimation that he had profited from Lamarck, we have already seen that he was acquainted at an early age with English versions of the latter's work and in 1845 there is a reference in an unpublished letter to Lyell (Biblio: In the possession of the American Philosophical Society, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.) regarding 'my volumes of Lamarck.'" (1)

    Lamarckian evolutionary theory allows for the mix of creation and the impact of directed creative and psychic or soulful participation. If God is everything and we all act in concert, there is a powerful collective force to be reckoned with. We might even change the nature of our Noble leaders by holding them in the light. Let us not cling to theory that faith or fad alone limits and selects facts to fit the prevailing 'norm'. Dembski must not be censored and censured by the biologists who fight to maintain their stranglehold on evolutionary theory. Charles Fort and Arthur Koestler are as wise as any who have 'observed' in the last century and they would not encourage such censure, I am sure. Creation should not be laid at the feet of God and we are part of God, we must act responsibly and with right action and thought. Come with me, and bring an open-mind that you can assimilate and later test. I will endeavour to see the 'light' in all its harmonizing glory. Barthold Niebuhr put the adventure in these relevant words:

    "He who calls what has vanished back again into being, enjoys a BLISS like that of

    creating."

    Thor Heyerdahl was such a person. His insight changed a lot of academic attitudes as he proved many things held sacred were anything but correct. We need to provide far better reason for a change in opinions than the prevailing paradigm if only because they have such a stranglehold on opinion. The propagandists have many writers and academics at their beck and call. This has been true for many millennia, and they have had the ability to destroy most evidence that would disprove their fictions or myths. That is one reason why linguistics and botany or other forensic tools are the best evidences for our effort to present an alternative history. Even when a 99% archaeological certainty that fits facts and established criteria to keep much truth out of the realm of accepted evidence - such as the Roman statue or head found in Mexico - there are those who debunk it or make it seem unimportant.

    My personal knowledge of statues at Chichen Itza convinces me there were many Etruscan and Greek artisans at work in Central America. If you ever go there be sure to drop in on the Villas Archaeologique. As you read Heyerdahl in the following quote be cognizant that five separate forensic labs have concurred that cocaine from Peru was part of the diet the mummies of Egypt enjoyed. Balabanova was well aware of the implications of this upon world history. That is why she had all the other labs test her results. Lanning provides artefacts detailing those involved in this trade. These secrets were very important to the potion makers or pharmacists of the ancient world. Hallucinatory drugs probably started the Phoenicians down this road a long time before Egypt. Our artefacts and evidence on stone and bas-reliefs includes the ancient handshake of the Phoenician enterprise that I think Moses and his family benefited from for a very long time.

    "Preconceived opinions on the lack of maritime activity in pre-Spanish America have also affected the botanical discussions of the origin of the common garden bean, 'Phaseolus vulgaris'. Last century Könicke, in a paper on the home of the garden bean, pointed out that this crop plant was formerly generally accepted as having been cultivated in Europe by the ancient Greeks and Romans, under the name of Dolickos, Phaseolus, etc. The cultivation of the same bean among the Aborigines of America was therefore explained as the result of its post-Columbian introduction from the Old World by the early Spaniards. (2) This was the theory until Wittmack discovered in 1880 the common garden bean among the archaeological excavations of Reiss and Stübel at the prehistoric cemetery of Ancon, Peru. (3) It was there found interred as food with mummy burials long antedating the European discovery of America. Here was suddenly ample proof of the pre-European cultivation of 'Phaseolus' in America, and beans were subsequently recovered from pre-Incan sites along the entire coast of Peru. At this time, however, pre-Columbian specimens of the 'European' bean were no longer accessible. The view was taken, therefore, that the Old World 'Phaseolus' must after all have originated in aboriginal 'America', and been carried back thence to Europe by the early Spaniards. (4)

    {Some have gone so far as to say that bird droppings are the result of all these plant migration. The Yam or American sweet potato turned the tide for the champion of Euro-centric history in botany and zoology. He had to confess he had been wrong after decades of fighting the point. Why then do we celebrate the SLAVER Columbus? Is it not to maintain a colonial secret of deceit upon which our sovereign nations are founded? The Incans had a style of government that utopian philosophers like Sir Francis Bacon used as the model in writing about possible forms of great government.}

    More recently Hutchison, Silow and Stephens pointed out, with corroborative botanical evidence, that the 'Phaseolus' beans represent but one more indication of contact between the Old and New World before Columbus. (5) The same problem concerns varieties of the lima bean, 'Phaseolus lunatus', growing wild in Guatemala and common in the earliest Chimu and Nazca graves of coastal Peru. In 1950 Sauer points to certain very early genetic peculiarities of a race of lima beans of primitive characteristics long under cultivation in parts of Indonesia and Indo-China, and says: 'If, then, south-eastern Asia should prove to be a reservoir of the more primitive lima beans, long since extinct in Peru and Mexico, a further problem of the time and manner of trans-Pacific connection is raised by which the American bean was communicated to the native population across the Pacific.' (6) The same problem is also raised by a related bean, the jackbean, or swordbean, 'Canavalia' sp. Stoner and Anderson have called attention to the following: 'The sword bean ('Canavalia'), widely cultivated throughout the Pacific and always considered to be of Old World origin, is now known from prehistoric sites along the coasts of both South America and Mexico.' (7) 'Canavalia' beans excavated from the stratified deposits at Huaca Prieta on the Pacific coast of Peru, date from between 3000 and 1000 BC. (8) Sauer states that its archaeological distribution and relation to wild species now indicate the jackbean as a New World domesticate. (9)

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