Science and God

[Xela]

The scientific method does not commit one to the belief that God does not exist, or even that God does not intervene in supernatural ways. What the scientific method does is define a methodology that allows science to move forward in all those areas in which God does not intervene, and it is effective in this only because it does not assume in advance what those areas of are. Rather than assuming that God has an explanatory role until proven otherwise, the scientific method turns this around and assumes that God has no explanatory role, until it can be proven that He has. This shifting of the burden of proof, this single change in perspective, was essential to unlocking the door leading out of the Dark Ages.
Interestingly, this methodology itself amounts to a kind of experimental test of God's explanatory role in nature. Rather than finding our scientific endeavors regularly frustrated because so many phenomena are caused by supernatural agents, we instead find that this, in fact, never happens. Even when phenomena cannot yet be explained, natural explanations can be identified that are at least as plausible as any supposed supernatural "explanation." (This is why theists who regularly point scientific unknowns as "proof" of God's existence find themselves on ever shrinking ground. Such arguments are often called God of the Gaps arguments, where "gaps" refers to the current gaps in our scientific knowledge.) Science has yet to regret its naturalistic working assumption, and this fact does amount to a powerful inductive argument that God simply does not have an explanatory role in the workings of the universe. However, this does not prove that God does not exist.

Questions of whether or not God, or other supernatural being(s), exists are simply not within the scope of science, but of philosophy. Science's commitment is to a naturalistic methodology, not a naturalistic ontology (i.e., to a commitment that nature is all that exists). Many scientists do hold to this ontological view, but many scientists do not, and they cannot be accused of being inconsistent as a result. Belief in God in not incompatible with a commitment to science's naturalistic methodology. Having this point explicitly made is something the many theistic and Christian evolutionary scientists well deserve.

[Chester]

To my way of thinking it is all part of this expression of Being and Becoming. The only mark of departure is the degree of selfishness on the part of the beholder. All is readily apparent to the mind that occupies our means of motivation here in this realm of Time/Space or Physicality. We are so much more. If the self perceives itself as the one and only entity or the "ME" then all else is subsumed and therefore it is destined to rein in its loneliness. The reflector, the "OTHER" cannot show "reflect" the ME its own essence via feedback looping. Those who see not the vast generative order of being and becoming are here alone.

[Chester]

Science is God and God is Science...We are here are we not?

Time is like a ride at the theme park— temptation peppered with movement toward chaos. Its opposite is even more expansive in potential. Timelessness is the reality of this existence with Time being the dream or illusion. Eternity is the All, encompassing essence of the Totality (One with no second). It is the generative order or implicate unity. Mentality is multi-purposed, multifaceted, and multidimensional. In thought finality, Mind is the Totality. Mind rides the Light but is not reliant upon it. Light is capable of creating the universe in illusion as a virtual reality, what some call the moiré arena. God is Mind...and Mind issues forth in God’s motion — The Enigmni. Mind moves from nothing to everything and back. Mind is the experience of existence where all creativity is found in a catalytic state of reinvention. It is a constancy of change. There is nothing faster than Mind, then comes Light. Because Mind is present with Light they appear as One...they are two, but light is the expression of the Mind — the broadcast. One is God the other is His Means — the Holy Spirit...the mover — Enigmni.

The First Logos or Creation is the Son; the Word catalyzes ideas into existence in sequence. The Word is REASON. Mind is first cause with no last. Last is an illusion of Time, which moves as a linear aspect generated in Timelessness. Linearity can be accompanied by dimensionality. Increased dimensionality adds complexity and solidity to Time for those who ride the Light. The more complex, and the more coherent, the hotter is the form. Mind is not affected by any of its creations, but its creations are affected by each preceding creation that manifests in directed evolutional sequence. Feedback created naturally by Mind and Light is essential to coherent knowing of each preparatory creation. Congruence, Empathy, or Love and Knowing is amplified by each structural dimension created. 1•3•7 is the number of Creation.

Beings or Mind segments that are attracted by each amplifying and complex structural level will localize in sequential fashion. From the smallest atomic structure to the most complex. Thus is the spiral of creation. Mind is uniformly everywhere, everything, and Eternal. Mind is the atmosphere of be-ness. Humanity is represented by a multitude of structural levels animated by total mentality. Light creates the illusion of body and its programs of DNA supply the variety. Mind selects the product based on cause and consequence. Mind is God. Man is a part of God. God is the Whole.

Mind may seek itself in exponential feedback waves that are everywhere at once yet holographically focused by a reflection mechanism on the physical side called a Brain (gestalt / sequential computerized device). Such a virtual organ can and does make localizations think they are individuals capable of god-like creation. It is an illusion that must be learned due to sequential limitations. We are one. Individuals created in localizations use brains as a secondary focusing agent to create a holographic virtual domain wherein personality rises. Personalities create dimensional illusions that flux and must be reinforced by recognition or observation from others. These brains coalesce mind into a sense field capable of creating solid reality. This virtual reality is hard copy to a conscious mind aided by a lens of being. The lens collects data for evaluation by the All.

The generative order is symbolized by a being (person) seated in outline form. It is fractalian in nature and existence is created within the relation to a mathematical (geometric) interface inherent with this symbol. Inside the symbol is the void-potential, outside is the creation. Where the two meet is the implicate order or cursor of God’s Eye. The leading edge is where Time is on the FLY. Timelessness feeds the potential that smears out over created space awaiting localization of monadic mind.

This smear of potential is as the multifaceted or holographic plate (information float), all potential is inherent within its confines as feedback looping is progressing faster than the speed of Light. It is Mind. This combination allows Light to seem to have "Prior Knowledge," to a singular localization.

But, Prior Knowledge in totality is the All, seated in Timelessness.

[Chester]

I have often closed out the incoming noise of our civilization by going to Nature for some rest. I love this place called THE ENCHANTED ROCK or even Big Bend National Park all in Texas. Those two sites have given me the peace and quiet one needs to meditate upon the bigger issues of existence in Time/Space. It usually takes me two hours of thinking upon the parameters of just being here and pushing my mentality deeper into the why and whereof my own experiences, to finally give me the blue-white flash of downloaded data from a source outside of my daily contemplation/s. It usually only lasts a pico-second but in that flash of knowledge and wisdom is a massive amount of data. It is almost plasmatic. Other times when I can concentrate deeply, it occurs early in the mornings when I just cannot sleep for some reason, and go to my wife's chair which is more comfortable than mine, and just think about how wonderful it is to exist, to have known this grand experience of being and becoming. I get a lot of data during those sessions which are very much like prayer or a union with that whereby I even exist. Few of us take the time to enjoy silence and peace. Therein, I find the gold of the God of my being. It is a blast!

[Chester]

What is the Crux of Being here in Time/Space??? Why Be??? What is being other than knowing you are able to think??? Why do we seek to protect the thinking form from destruction after it has thought something? What is thinking but reviewing actions to maintain the vehicle for future leveraging of the elementals of existence? Why must one be here? We seem to examine our being to become more. As we become more our vehicle erodes. As time passes the vehicle no longer can sustain the means of thinking and we slowly pass into the void. Others pick up our thoughts and and carry parts of it forward and it goes on and on. But is this only an illusion? There seems to be a distant thinker in the mix —one that drives our very being from the darkness. It is like a program that determines exactness and procedure for leveraging the elements of this information packed realm we call living.

There seems to be a lot of automatic means of moving us through this realm of being. The thinking part of us seems to be in for a ride. We ride the light of this realm where everything is automatically moving into new data constantly. There is no going back under the same conditions, only forward where change is taking place with new aspects to ponder with our mind or our thinking part of this experience. Our future depends upon a proper or positive process of determining what aspects to use in the mix of past data for future leveraging of trends and conditions. The Crux of being seems to depend upon something that maintains some form of constancy that we can maintain the information float in a burgeoning echelon over the chaos potential. If chaos can rise, we are destroyed or move to a higher echelon of existence or thinking in a new environment. It is all information manipulation on our part and that of the system within which we dwell. It is always becoming.

The Crux of Being involves a multifaceted means of existence. Each part interacts with its other parts. We are parts of the whole that must be present in order to interact and perceive existence. Otherwise we do not exist. Yet, we are one collective and parts of us lose our vehicles but our knowledge interweaves with the knowledge of our other parts. We should love one another as we love ourselves for the other is us.

In reality, existence is so complex that all the spectral levels of being here in Time/Space combined cannot divulge the means of transfer from one dimension to the next. It is how Mind rides the light. Even Light has amplified parameters of speed and movement to higher and higher levels of being that are created constantly. To contemplate upon existence is almost not worth the investment of energy when one considers that this, this Is, is going on constantly and has always been. Behind it and within it is the Mind that rides the vehicle of Light in this expression we think upon as LIFE. To some the great “We” that makes up this universe is full of billions and billions of parts all associated with each other in some fashion. To Others this realm is the expression of One that is multifaceted and multidimensional as it courses in and through a projection into time from Timelessness as threefold — Present, Past and Future as the Father, Son and Holy Ghost.

Is it possible that all the beings of this grand illusion of parts within parts could be in reality only One — the Collective Singularity? As human beings we all exist within this one Time zone at the same time. Could these persons who think they are individuals who are localized in vehicles as a means of motivation in this physical state — could we be one who is all experiences? Just as a hologram made up of a Moiré Matrix of potential through time can contain billions upon billions of potential images is still found within a universe of one hologram of data with light selecting the combinations of contemplation to be expressed.

Indeed, we cannot think in terms of Always but just perhaps we are all living this experience not as a stone or a stone’s throw away from realization, but are one, massive, gargantuan state of being and becoming issuing from Timelessness as Always. To this One, at the top of this expression of Life all those little minds below are like the cells of our body, doing just about what we were programmed to do…over and over and over and over and…

I suggest one looks up the meaning of 137.

[Chester]

Recently, I got into deep meditation on things like: What came first, the Moon or Periods? Are there parallel universes and we just skip from one to the next? These enigmas always pop up in my head early in the morning around 5 am. I will be writing some real deep stuff soon with these points of departure above rubbing my brain to an itch.

[Chester]

The Snake is about to bite its tail...Images of Japan.

[Chester]

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[picturepeculiar]

Xela:

It would seem that you are suggesting that if a God does exist and is relative to all entities in the universe..that one of the principles that He(she) follows is the evident scientific principle of.. Entropy. That is to say that though he may possess almighty( or: “mighty“ : Hebrew: Elohim/god= “mighty or strong.” Koine Greek Theos/god.) abilities with relation to the processes and functionality of the perceived universe ( as well as ..“beings”) this mighty being “allows” freedom of entropic choice. Thus in this scenario his intervention or not is proportionate to the entropic choices of the “creations.“ Thus if I may infer from your meaning : Though many may not “commit to the idea” of a “god” they must , in keeping with scientific proofs ..”commit” to the ideals of entropy.
I appreciate your open mindedness toward the possibility of a super human intelligent being ( “God”). Your remarks in my opinion demonstrate a humility of thought as humans are most certainly limited in their abilities in comparison to the genius system that is demonstrative inside the physical universe.
May I draw attention to one very insightful line in your remarks ( though all of your comments were perceptive and insightful ). You say: “ Even when phenomena cannot yet be explained, natural explanations can be identified that are at least as plausible as any supposed supernatural "explanation." Indeed! However observing and putting our finger on the implications of these “natural explanations” is what seems so elusive. You also speak of “gaps” ( there are many. Many represent ..chasms.. of thought diminishing the possibility of any solid connections/ associations. ). There really does seem to be some significant pieces of the puzzle that are missing or arguably not perceived as relevant toward the reconciliation of the whole system to the perceived and understood ..parts. We are searching for definitive explanations…things that would relegate most theories and elevate one solidified reality. I will say however that to say that these discoveries are “not..within the scope of science” to find and eloquate may be a little premature. On the other hand I do agree that this reconciliation seems at the present time..utterly hidden from view. ( Two slit experiment). However, to reiterate you make a very perceptive suggestion that “natural explanations” seem to be the avenue to take ( with a scientific ardor and resolve) ..if one were to coax the answers out. If it is appropriate I would ask that you visit my thread: “Nature of life. Thread: Information: peculiar pictures. I will be presenting some vivid pictures ( nature pictures) as well as explanatory commentary …toward the goal of allowing “nature” with all of its simplicity and complexity, to speak on these issues. I will continue to keep up with your thread as it interests me. Thanx

[Lumpino]

Meditation is good for knowlegde of spiritual things. But, with using the name. For example bhaktiyogis repeat the name of God, or Goddes for achieving visible revelation. See you Ramakrishna.