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    Global Warming - The "hottest hoax" of all time

    How much longer are we to put up with this specious nonsense? We are told that the Globe is warming and that it will warm further. So what? We are told it is warming while we in the UK and in Europe are freezing. How much longer are we to take this febrile crap?

    On the basis that computer projections predict a rise in global temperature of some 4 Celsius sometime, years ahead, perhaps at the end of the century, we are all being persuaded by a corrupt gang of scientists that we must cut our Carbon emissions. What utter nonsense! This is supposed to be science. But it is nothing of the sort.

    In the first place these alarmists do not have the slightest idea about Carbon Dioxide. They treat it as a pollutant, when no life on earth could survive without it. It is transparent, odourless and colourless and yet Al Gore and even our own Met Office treat it as the black smoke issuing out of tall Power Station chimneys. That is the first lie. Shame on our own Met Office for supporting such nonsense!

    We all breathe out Carbon Dioxide, just as we breathe in Oxygen. This is a fact of life. All living creatures, all animals, all insects, all bacteria inhale oxygen and exhale carbon dioxide. You know that as well as I do, Dr Vicky Pope; as well as any 5th form student of Biology. Why then on your website do you publish a picture that is a blatant lie?

    • It is by no means certain that the Globe is warming.
    • It is by no means certain that Carbon Dioxide has anything to do with global temperatures, if there is such a thing.
    • It is absolutely certain that Carbon Dioxide is a trace gas in the atmosphere.
    • It is absolutely certain that heat flows from hot to cold and never vice-versa.


    Why are governments allowed to get away with the idea that CO2 is a pollutant, when every market gardener knows the opposite? Why do we all allow this misguided talk about emissions? Why do we allow politicians and Green activists to traipse off to Copenhagen and now Cancun on a jolly, in order to make ridiculous and dangerous agreements regarding these same emissions?

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    And on what scientific knowledge do you base your ignorance?

    We have been pumping CO2 into our atmosphere at alarmingly higher and higher rates, since the beginning of the industrial revolution.
    Global Warming science is based on fact not hearsay! Your comment about the cold winter, shows your ignorance. You didn't mention that each summer we have, is the hottest on record! Yes the Earth is heating up. It does not necessarily mean that it's going to get hotter than hades. It simply means that the climate is changing. Some places will get hotter and drier while others will still experience cold winters. What is happening is our weather is becoming more extreme. Storms and rainy weather, are increasing in parts of the world, while drought is increasing in others.
    While Europe and North America have had a cold winter. Canada, the Arctic and Antarctic have had just the opposite. I am in my sixties, so it's not really going to affect me one way or the other. So I don't give a damn about any younger generation that does not give a damn about the environment. Go use your fossil fuels, keep polluting the atmosphere. It will be your children and grandchildren who will reap the benefits of your ignorance. For all of you who do not believe it is happening, damn you all!

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    The Universe is a massive system beyond our scope...even that of Science.

    I know whereof you speak. I lived in the world of the University for ages and have heard it all. But, there are things beyond the entire scope of what one would assume to be true. Try Big Bend National Park. The air is good when the fires are not blazing.

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    better to take precautions from global warming

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xela View Post
    How much longer are we to put up with this specious nonsense? We are told that the Globe is warming and that it will warm further. So what? We are told it is warming while we in the UK and in Europe are freezing. How much longer are we to take this febrile crap?

    On the basis that computer projections predict a rise in global temperature of some 4 Celsius sometime, years ahead, perhaps at the end of the century, we are all being persuaded by a corrupt gang of scientists that we must cut our Carbon emissions. What utter nonsense! This is supposed to be science. But it is nothing of the sort.

    In the first place these alarmists do not have the slightest idea about Carbon Dioxide. They treat it as a pollutant, when no life on earth could survive without it. It is transparent, odourless and colourless and yet Al Gore and even our own Met Office treat it as the black smoke issuing out of tall Power Station chimneys. That is the first lie. Shame on our own Met Office for supporting such nonsense!

    We all breathe out Carbon Dioxide, just as we breathe in Oxygen. This is a fact of life. All living creatures, all animals, all insects, all bacteria inhale oxygen and exhale carbon dioxide. You know that as well as I do, Dr Vicky Pope; – as well as any 5th form student of Biology. Why then on your website do you publish a picture that is a blatant lie?

    • It is by no means certain that the Globe is warming.
    • It is by no means certain that Carbon Dioxide has anything to do with global temperatures, if there is such a thing.
    • It is absolutely certain that Carbon Dioxide is a trace gas in the atmosphere.
    • It is absolutely certain that heat flows from hot to cold and never vice-versa.


    Why are governments allowed to get away with the idea that CO2 is a pollutant, when every market gardener knows the opposite? Why do we all allow this misguided talk about emissions? Why do we allow politicians and Green activists to traipse off to Copenhagen and now Cancun on a jolly, in order to make ridiculous and dangerous agreements regarding these same emissions?
    It's called "conspiracy theory".......

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    "How much longer are we to put up with this specious nonsense? We are told that the Globe is warming and that it will warm further. So what? We are told it is warming while we in the UK and in Europe are freezing. How much longer are we to take this febrile crap?"

    Because you are freezing in the UK, you base your stupid assumption? Here in the US we have had possibly the warmest winter on record. Ocean levels are rising, and glaciers are melting over the entire world! The poles are melting as well!

    So on what Pseudo-Science do you base your assumptions? Because you are freezing? What bullcrap! Global Warming if you bothered to read any of the science, is about Climate Change. Not about the world just heating up. When the globe heats up, it causes changes in ocean and air currents. The shift in the jet stream is the reason you are freezing, while we are experiencing balmy weather! The Jet Stream in turn, has shifted because of the ocean currents changing. It all works together. It's not just about warmer temperatures. Perhaps they should never have used the term "Global Warming" as too many people simply assume that means temperatures are warming. Quite to the contrary, global warming means some places will get warmer, others will get colder in the interim.

    I can't believe some here can believe that there are no changes going on. Yet they believe in "pyramid power" and secret Nazi bases in the Antarctic. Sorry, but I believe in scientific fact, not pseudo-science!

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    To Xela, Perhaps a more civil tongue would engender a larger dialogue.

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    I'm afraid that over the years I've become rather sceptical of claims made about global warming/climate change (note that I am not sceptical of the existence of it in itself). There's something very millenarian about the claims that are being made... we're always at a "tipping point" or things are "worse than we thought" and yet the evidence that I've actually seen makes me doubtful of these claims. Partially this is just down to paucity of evidence - we don't have anything like enough data, IMO, to say what constitutes 'normality' in terms of climate. For example, we really only have data about Arctic ice extent for around 30 years, which is scarcely a blink in geological terms.

    The way the issue has been highjacked by groups from all parts of the political and cultural spectrum also makes me wary: too many axes to grind only makes for blunter axes.

    In the UK, for example, it's become an article of faith even for the established church has taken up the debate and seems to view the whole thing through an unreconstructedly catastrophist lens. In that sort of atmosphere I find it very hard to believe that the well is beyond poisoned in terms of rational debate.

    That wouldn't matter so much, of course, were the costs so very very high.

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    With nanites and self-replicating robots the pollutants can be harvested and a balance maintained so the glaciers (which are melting!) and tundra won't cause the things scientists are arguing about rather than communicating how to correct the issue. You mention costs - the US refused to lay out the 10 Billion which the Kyoto Accord called for. I supported shrub (George II) at that time because I know the technology was just around the corner - it is available now. The whole thing is emotionally charged and keeps people talking about nonsense or away from insisting on a well-reasoned plan to address all matters as they can be done with proper prioritization. There are ways to correct all that ails us if we start planning to do what is necessary FIRST. Then what is great SECOND! You mention "article of faith" or religion. In my books that is central to what is FIRST on the needed agenda. By making religions get on the same ecumenical page doing helpful things for society and ending persecution of women or the wars they foment (etc.) the world would quickly get better. And we could collect a few fines or taxes from them if they don't shape up.

    http://i.imgur.com/IwCXBXY.jpg

    The impending release of methane from the Arctic Tundra is a major league good argument for doing something soon. Some people suggest HAARP will be able to cause weather modification to alleviate the rise in temperature which will soon release more climate changing gases than everything humanity does in decades. This is a site set up by many countries who are concerned - so you can monitor their progress or lack thereof.

    www.cost-gergamon.eu

    HAARP: Secret Weapon Used For Weather Modification, Electromagnetic Warfare

    : http://www.globalresearch...fare/20407






    Global Research, January 18, 2015

    Global Research and WantToKnow.info 1 August 2010


    HAARP: Secret Weapon Used For Weather Modification, Electromagnetic Warfare




    “It isn’t just conspiracy theorists who are concerned about HAARP. The European Union called the project a global concern and passed a resolution calling for more information on its health and environmental risks. Despite those concerns, officials at HAARP insist the project is nothing more sinister than a radio science research facility.”
    – Quote from a TV documentary on HAARP by the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC).

    HAARP (High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program) is a little-known, yet critically important U.S. military defense program which has generated quite a bit of controversy over the years in certain circles.Though denied by HAARP officials, some respected researchers allege that secret electromagnetic warfare capabilities of HAARP are designed to forward the US military’s stated goal of achieving full-spectrum dominance by the year 2020. Others go so far as to claim that HAARP can and has been used for weather modification, to cause earthquakes and tsunamis, to disrupt global communications systems, and more.

    Major aspects of the program are kept secret for alleged reasons of “national security.” Yet there is no doubt that HAARP and electromagnetic weapons capable of being used in warfare do exist. According to the official HAARP website, “HAARP is a scientific endeavor aimed at studying the properties and behavior of the ionosphere, with particular emphasis on being able to understand and use it to enhance communications and surveillance systems for both civilian and defense purposes.” The ionosphere is the delicate upper layer of our atmosphere which ranges from about 30 miles (50 km) to 600 miles (1,000 km) above the surface of the Earth.

    The HAARP website acknowledges that experiments are conducted which use electromagnetic frequencies to fire pulsed, directed energy beams in order to “temporarily excite a limited area of the ionosphere.” Some scientists state that purposefully disturbing this sensitive layer could have major and even disastrous consequences. Concerned HAARP researchers like Dr. Michel Chossudovsky of the University of Ottawa and Alaska’s Dr. Nick Begich (son of a US Congressman) present evidence suggesting that these disturbances can even cause tsunamis and earthquakes.

    Two key major media documentaries, one by Canada’s public broadcasting network CBC and the other by the History Channel, reveal the inner workings of HAARP in a most powerful way. The very well researched CBC documentary includes this key quote:


    “It isn’t just conspiracy theorists who are concerned about HAARP. In January of 1999, the European Union called the project a global concern and passed a resolution calling for more information on its health and environmental risks. Despite those concerns, officials at HAARP insist the project is nothing more sinister than a radio science research facility.”



    read more: http://www.globalresearch...fare/20407


    to understand haarp: http://en.wikipedia.org/w...ch_Program

    Image result for haarp imagesImage result for haarp images
    go here: https://www.google.com/se...arp+images



    ^^^to see more images of haarp and read the various related articles about harp"

    This factoid sheds light on human impacts on climate which shows up in ice caps. By de-populating earth the climate would quickly return to equilibrium. How many need to be eliminated (again)?

    http://www.cnet.com/news/orbis-spike...tag=YHF65cbda0
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